The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[blaatschaap]

On the schedule on this website it has 45 min for the deep dive, but the start of the next panel (overwatch) is actually 90 mins after the start of the wow deep dive. Are we thinking it might run longer the 45 min mmo-c has it as?

[damonskye]

Something I noticed in the other interview (not the Warcraft Wiki one, but the other one referenced earlier in this thread):

One of the people at Blizzard that was interviewed basically said, flat out, that they are going to continue their 2-month-ish patch cadence in 2024.

I find this really interesting considering that Morgan Day said in the Wiki interview that there is no 10.3. This kind of leads me to think we'll see something like this next year:

* 10.2 this week (early November)
* 10.2.5 in January
* 10.2.7 in March
* 10.2.x in May/June (maybe an epilogue patch/prepatch for War Within)
* War Within release in August/September

Without three sub-patches for 10.2 this math doesn't work, so either they're going to fudge the releases a bit, or have a content drought. I don't think Blizzard could sustain a content drought, even 3-4 months, after what they've done this year. And since we know 10.2.5 is going up on the PTR very shortly after 10.2 comes out... well, it could be an interesting next 6-8 months.

[KurtMash]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

[Cheezits]

I think they can add a 10.2.7 on there, we just haven't seen it in the files. It could be as small but fanservicey as more heritage quests, the reclamation of gilneas, Broken/Tuskarr ARs, etc.

[milkmustache]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

This is the biggest upset for me. I love the oldform logos, and part of me is hoping that they are just using the circle/globe to display them as a group, and individually we'll see newer more expansion centric logos for release. They seem even less adventerous than the patch logos which is such a bummer!

[Cheezits]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

I think they look cool, and actually you just made me realize that they kind of look like the orb runes that were holding the Incarnates captive.

Maybe the implication is that Azeroth is being imprisoned by the titans while they convert her from Worldsoul to Titan?

[Gwynvael]

Well well well. We're not in Kansas anymore. These are BIG news.

Loved everything Chris Metzen said. I hope he makes the team (and himself) deliver. Loved the focus shift back to Titan/Void stuff. I wish Worldsoul Saga came out right after Legion, maybe BfA. Looking forward to today's Deep Dive about TWW and to 10.2. and what DF has yet to offer in terms of story and TWW prelude.

I'm gonna say this one more time, I am VERY happy the OG vibe of Warcraft (WC3-Legion) is back on track. I am maybe a bit sad they are going with the "Light is good for sure and Void is bad for sure", since I loved the yin-yang analogy of the two and the whole "Shadow and Light cannot exist without each other". But I have faith they will deliver it right. And maybe, who knows what twists are around the corners.

[blaatschaap]

Something I noticed in the other interview (not the Warcraft Wiki one, but the other one referenced earlier in this thread):

One of the people at Blizzard that was interviewed basically said, flat out, that they are going to continue their 2-month-ish patch cadence in 2024.

I find this really interesting considering that Morgan Day said in the Wiki interview that there is no 10.3. This kind of leads me to think we'll see something like this next year:

* 10.2 this week (early November)
* 10.2.5 in January
* 10.2.7 in March
* 10.2.x in May/June (maybe an epilogue patch/prepatch for War Within)
* War Within release in August/September

Without three sub-patches for 10.2 this math doesn't work, so either they're going to fudge the releases a bit, or have a content drought. I don't think Blizzard could sustain a content drought, even 3-4 months, after what they've done this year. And since we know 10.2.5 is going up on the PTR very shortly after 10.2 comes out... well, it could be an interesting next 6-8 months.

Can't be august, they said fall. I think the point is Dragonflight is supposed to be the last expansion where we'll have a drought like this.

[Marlamin]

On the schedule on this website it has 45 min for the deep dive, but the start of the next panel (overwatch) is actually 90 mins after the start of the wow deep dive. Are we thinking it might run longer the 45 min mmo-c has it as?

It is 45 minutes according to the official schedule on both the paper version and the website, so I doubt it'll run longer.

[Wryzakal]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

I’ve wondered this myself. I’ll miss the old format if so, but I’ll enjoy the new ones all the same.

That being said—any talented artists wanna recreate the new logos using the old style? Lol.

[Polybius]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

I’m going to miss them. It may be the new norm going forward. So long as they have a different circle each xpac I’ll be happy.

[Stonecloak]

By the way, how do you guys feel about them completely dropping the original logo format in favour of a runic circle? I know they want to distinguish these three expacs from the previous ones to underline they are part of a saga, but to me they look less fun than the logos of old.

Tbh, I didn't even realize until you posted this. I see what you mean with the missing border, but I don't think it's that big a change. In a way it looks cleaner to me.

[milkmustache]

Well well well. We're not in Kansas anymore. These are BIG news.

Loved everything Chris Metzen said. I hope he makes the team (and himself) deliver. Loved the focus shift back to Titan/Void stuff. I wish Worldsoul Saga came out right after Legion, maybe BfA. Looking forward to today's Deep Dive about TWW and to 10.2. and what DF has yet to offer in terms of story and TWW prelude.

I'm gonna say this one more time, I am VERY happy the OG vibe of Warcraft (WC3-Legion) is on track to be back. I am maybe a bit sad they are going with the "Light is good for sure and Void is bad for sure", since I loved the yin-yang analogy of the two and the whole "Shadow and Light cannot exist without each other". But I have faith they will deliver it right. And maybe, who knows what twists are around the corners.

Well, it could be that we defeat the Void in Midnight, only to learn that Light on it's own is overwhelming in some form of storyline in the Last Titan. Metzen did say conspiracy. The Titans/Order being subservient or compromised by the Light?

[damonskye]

Can't be august, they said fall. I think the point is Dragonflight is supposed to be the last expansion where we'll have a drought like this.

That isn't what they said in the interview I referenced.

And yeah, August feels a bit early for "fall" (fall officially starts in late September) but I don't think they're planning on an October/November release; that would mean an entire year or so without a raid.

Blizzard just HAS to have learned its lesson about that from prior expansions... or at least, I hope they have. I and most everyone I raid with got tired of the fated raid stuff after the first couple weeks.

[Mokenuf]

Something I noticed in the other interview (not the Warcraft Wiki one, but the other one referenced earlier in this thread):

One of the people at Blizzard that was interviewed basically said, flat out, that they are going to continue their 2-month-ish patch cadence in 2024.

I find this really interesting considering that Morgan Day said in the Wiki interview that there is no 10.3. This kind of leads me to think we'll see something like this next year:

* 10.2 this week (early November)
* 10.2.5 in January
* 10.2.7 in March
* 10.2.x in May/June (maybe an epilogue patch/prepatch for War Within)
* War Within release in August/September

Without three sub-patches for 10.2 this math doesn't work, so either they're going to fudge the releases a bit, or have a content drought. I don't think Blizzard could sustain a content drought, even 3-4 months, after what they've done this year. And since we know 10.2.5 is going up on the PTR very shortly after 10.2 comes out... well, it could be an interesting next 6-8 months.

We will have a Fated season so War Within will release November 2024.

[blaatschaap]

That isn't what they said in the interview I referenced.

And yeah, August feels a bit early for "fall" (fall officially starts in late September) but I don't think they're planning on an October/November release; that would mean an entire year or so without a raid.

Blizzard just HAS to have learned its lesson about that from prior expansions... or at least, I hope they have. I and most everyone I raid with got tired of the fated raid stuff after the first couple weeks.

During the main presentation Holly Longdale did, the slide said "Fall 2024". I'm not sure if she actually said the words, but it was 100% on screen

[Jastall]

I wonder if "War Within" has multiple meanings, also referring to the internal struggles of people like Anduin and Alleria, and of course the worldsoul itself.

Seems a fairly sensible guess, much like Battle for Azeroth meant both the HvA world war and then fighting to stop N'zoth from getting his tentacles all over the planet's woonz.

[damonskye]

We will have a Fated season so War Within will release November 2024.

The last fated raid season petered out after a few weeks. That is not enough to get us from this Tuesday to November 2024.

[Polybius]

Well, it could be that we defeat the Void in Midnight, only to learn that Light on it's own is overwhelming in some form of storyline in the Last Titan. Metzen did say conspiracy. The Titans/Order being subservient or compromised by the Light?

Didn’t realize until now. The Light could have ‘converted’ world souls before they became Titans. If not by force then via brainwashing. All forces seem to have their own ways of conquering planets.

[damonskye]

During the main presentation Holly Longdale did, the slide said "Fall 2024". I'm not sure if she actually said the words, but it was 100% on screen

I know she said Fall, that's what I meant: we don't know if it will be in the earlier part of the season or the later. I would guess earlier, because I doubt they want to get this out to us next November and risk losing even more players for lack of things to do (fated raids do not tide people over for long, not ones who have already done all three raids during their respective seasons.)