The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Edit: Augmentation IS available!

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So...do we not fight Murozond?
Ooo nice!!!

Nope, not even sure if we actually stop him from happening. We do end up in a timeline where the infinite succeeds but I am guessing we keep traveling back to stop Deios somehow? We'll have to wait for the actual dungeon

[Ersula]

"Garrison Hearthstone and Dalaran Hearthstone are now toys."

This is huge, actually.

My bag space is thankful for this but if they don't have a separate cd from my regular hs no thank you

Also if they clearly designed the mega-dungeon's fourth & 8th bosses to feel like the climax why not just make them two different dungeons from the start. They're designed that way & are going to be separated eventually anyway.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Deios making an appearence makes sense. That boss line up is cool though. "Blight of Galakrond" My Decay senses are tingling.

[Cheezits]

Front page has an icon for toggling old flight on Dragonriding drakes (and back).

Looks like the new imps are Grells? Just in time for the Dream... origin incoming?

[Cheezits]

Cosmicpreds will be happy, looks like we'll see a couple fucked up versions of Azeroth in the timelines.

10.1.5 Time Rifts - Black Empire (Azq'roth) - Normal Dungeon (New) - Max players: 5.
10.1.5 Time Rifts - Demon (Azewrath) - Normal Dungeon (New) - Max players: 5.
10.1.5 Time Rifts - Robot (A.Z.E.R.O.T.H.) - 150 (New) - Max players: 5.
10.1.5 Time Rifts - Scourge (Azmourne) - Normal Dungeon (New) - Max players: 5.
10.1.5 Time Rifts - Titan (Ulderoth) - 150 (New) - Max players: 5.
Zandalar > 10.1.5 Time Rifts - HvA (The Warlands) - 150 (New) - Max players: 5.

[Nymrohd]

OK so Augmentation seems to be a very careful design. A lot of utility and defensives. The only targeted buff I can see is a small (3%) crit buff. The support aspect really is based on Ebon Might and doesn't seem to be major; you will be dealing decent damage and just buffing people to do slightly more damage. Nothing as crazy as PI or Windfury Totem that I can see. Ebon Might's design though is weird. It's not targeted, it just goes to the four nearest damage dealers. Means that in Dungeons it will just underperform and in raids you cannot control as a raid leader who gets the buffs by picking parties; it really is up to proximity (4 nearest allies) which is going to be so messy.

But it has a lot of utility. Movement, Defensives, synergy with your group tank and healer, decent group healing (you likely will be using Emerald liberally). Spatial Paradox will be LOVED by raid leaders (allowed the Evoker and a healer they target to cast while moving for 12 secs on a 2 min CD; this absolutely can simplify dealing with some raid mechanics). The utility seems to scale poorly and will be great for dungeons while I assume the throughput will be great for raids.

[Xilurm]

Dawn of the Infinite bosses
Infinite Drakonid
Time elemental
Blight of Galakrond
Iridikron
Murozond seems to happen after Iridikron, Infinite Tyr
Morchie
Time Lost Battlefield (Alliance fights Grom)
Deios

Damn there will be crazy lore happening in that dungeon.

I'm concerned that this is Mythic only.

[Lady Atia]

I'm concerned that this is Mythic only.

It's a dungeon ... Tazavesh was actually super easy and Mechagon was also not hard when it came out lol.

[Sondrelk]

I'm concerned that this is Mythic only.

Why? This is how all the previous megadungeons have worked. We have Mythic difficulty only, with HC and M+ coming in a later patch.

[Dracullus]

Returning player improvements people asked about are listed in patch notes:

- no requirement for Allied race, just get level 40 (+ unlock scenario I guess),
- you don't have to buy flying skill anymore, you get them on level 10/20/30/40 + quest for flying,
- some minor changes for Exile's Reach.

[Nymrohd]

I'm concerned that this is Mythic only.

I get the difficulty concern. But here is the thing. A megadungeon run, especially early on, can easily last more than an hour. This is just not the right type of content for matchmaking content. I do hope they make it available on HC faster than usually (imo NO reason not to make it available as soon as 10.1.7)
And honestly the best way to see a lore heavy instance is with a group of friends so you can pause and listen to the lore or explore areas. Good luck following the lore on a Heroic Dungeon when it will be split in two and you'll have to deal with the tank trying to complete the dungeon in 4 pulls.

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Unrelated, I really hope they let us customize the Demonic Tyrant eventually. Maybe change it to a Nathrezim or use Sacrolash or Alythess (we did trap them) or even a pit fiend.

[Darkarath]

I get the difficulty concern. But here is the thing. A megadungeon run, especially early on, can easily last more than an hour. This is just not the right type of content for matchmaking content. I do hope they make it available on HC faster than usually (imo NO reason not to make it available as soon as 10.1.7)
And honestly the best way to see a lore heavy instance is with a group of friends so you can pause and listen to the lore or explore areas. Good luck following the lore on a Heroic Dungeon when it will be split in two and you'll have to deal with the tank trying to complete the dungeon in 4 pulls.

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Unrelated, I really hope they let us customize the Demonic Tyrant eventually. Maybe change it to a Nathrezim or use Sacrolash or Alythess (we did trap them) or even a pit fiend.

That happened to me a few times. Easy solution: be a Tank. I set the pace now

[Cheezits]

Based on the boss thing, it MAY seem like Iridikron lives to fight another day, but the Infinites may end up losing, leading to Murozond's rise not happening, or at the very least being set back once more? I hope that's the case. Also hoping 10.2 is the Dream.

Okay, but imagine the Decay stuff being a factor in the Dream patch also. Would be yet another reason for Elune to step in as well.

It seems like Iridikron is successful in whatever he was doing, but it also leads to the birth of Murozond. I saw a theory that Nozdormu does it to save Chromie so that may be the case, as he is attacking Chromie in the fight.

[Nymrohd]

It seems like Iridikron is successful in whatever he was doing, but it also leads to the birth of Murozond. I saw a theory that Nozdormu does it to save Chromie so that may be the case.

Would make sense. Reading the dungeon journal, Murozond rises right after the Iridikron fight. And we fight Iridikron with Chromie's help. So maybe he goes infinite at that point to save her from Iridikron. Plus when you split the dungeon in wings it means the first half is Iridkron's Gambit 2.0 to get Murozond to happen and the second half is the Infinite flight story.

[Darkarath]

I wonder how the fight against Iridikron would be. I hope that it is clearly shown in the encounter that he is just playing with us while he does his thing.

Maybe we hit an earth shield and some adds that he summons while he laughs at us.

[Cheezits]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...85749621239808

Iridikron's magic disc.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder how the fight against Iridikron would be. I hope that it is clearly shown in the encounter that he is just playing with us while he does his thing.

Maybe we hit an earth shield and some adds that he summons while he laughs at us.

You cannot even kill him. You are protecting Chromie so she can take down a relic he is using (they don't name it )

[Nymrohd]

This patch is way more exciting than the actual 10.1 patch . . .

[Cheezits]

Anduin Lothar is the Horde boss fight!

[Aeluron Lightsong]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...85749621239808

Iridikron's magic disc.

Hmm I wonder what the heck its for.