The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Throren]

bummed the 10.2.5 preview seems to be cancelled for today, odd considering a blizz employee on twitter a few days ago mentioned it and the PTR - so I wonder what happened

[Daniri]

yet with both DKs and warlocks they chose to go for a single reason for universal access. With priests they did add NPCs to explain things.

Do you think DKs are cooler now than they were in 2002?

[Merryck]

Better be a juicy ass Q&A. I want 2 hours of questions and answers from Ion Hazzikostas.

[Xilurm]

Are there only 4 chapters of the campaign unlocked this week or something?

[Murlocos]

yet with both DKs and warlocks they chose to go for a single reason for universal access. With priests they did add NPCs to explain things.

DKs and warlocks have more universal origins or appeals compared to the other three classes, which all have a heavy emphasis on faith which manifests itself differently across cultures and has been reflected even going all the way back to vanilla, such as priests having racial skills. Even with warlocks, they did put some effort into making class trainers that had some racial flavor to them. Zandalari paladins have their own unique lore and aren't just trolls that decided to follow the Light after meeting the blood elves.

[Auxis]

The 'What's Next' article is coming out today, yeah?
What time does it usually drop?

[Ersula]

DKs and warlocks have more universal origins or appeals compared to the other three classes, which all have a heavy emphasis on faith which manifests itself differently across cultures and has been reflected even going all the way back to vanilla, such as priests having racial skills. Even with warlocks, they did put some effort into making class trainers that had some racial flavor to them. Zandalari paladins have their own unique lore and aren't just trolls that decided to follow the Light after meeting the blood elves.

They added Warlocks NPCs too, they're just in the Demon Customization questline.

Though does anyone else regard the Demon Customization update bittersweetly? All I think about is them removing the eyeball demon options. Shouldn't our warlock be a little more varied in theme? Or is this like Tier sets where every other appearance is just a reiteration of the same idea? For example, the tiny stoneborne & nature sprites use the imp model. Can't we have a fey or vampyric warlock, like in D&D? After we dealt with Sargeras I expected Warlock & Demon Hunter's theming to be less demonic & more cosmic.

[Murlocos]

The 'What's Next' article is coming out today, yeah?
What time does it usually drop?

It got quietly removed from the news earlier today. It usually releases around 10 AM PST.

They added Warlocks NPCs too, they're just in the Demon Customization questline.

Though does anyone else regard the Demon Customization update bittersweetly? All I think about is them removing the eyeball demon options. Shouldn't our warlock be a little more varied in theme? Or is this like Tier sets where every other appearance is just a reiteration of the same idea? For example, the tiny stoneborne & nature sprites use the imp model. Can't we have a fey or vampyric warlock, like in D&D? After we dealt with Sargeras I expected Warlock & Demon Hunter's theming to be less demonic & more cosmic.

More fleshed out spell customization is such a no brainer that I almost refuse to believe their "PvP readability" argument against it isn't covering for technical or scope issues, because PvP readability has been dead and rotting for so long that you can't even read the corpse anymore. I'd sooner believe them getting rid of the Observer was some weird personal vendetta from a dev.

[Dracullus]

In MrGM interview they confirmed 8 weeks patches, what is more interesting also said it will be this way until next expansion. Personally I expected slow down around Alpha launch.

[Ersula]

In MrGM interview they confirmed 8 weeks patches, what is more interesting also said it will be this way until next expansion. Personally I expected slow down around Alpha launch.

So 10.2.5 mid January? 10.2.7 mid march? ...10.2.9 mid may? 11.0 in August?

Perhaps an extended pre-patch event, like world-wide Legion Invasions. Considering the Dragonflight Beta was only two months they felt cofortable releasing 10.0 even though DF content was still going through rigorous testing.

[Merryck]

In MrGM interview they confirmed 8 weeks patches, what is more interesting also said it will be this way until next expansion. Personally I expected slow down around Alpha launch.

That's absurd. We are probably 8 months from the prepatch. 3 patches between now and then?

[Auxis]

It got quietly removed from the news earlier today. It usually releases around 10 AM PST.



More fleshed out spell customization is such a no brainer that I almost refuse to believe their "PvP readability" argument against it isn't covering for technical or scope issues, because PvP readability has been dead and rotting for so long that you can't even read the corpse anymore. I'd sooner believe them getting rid of the Observer was some weird personal vendetta from a dev.

Awww man that sucks.

[Dracullus]

That's absurd. We are probably 8 months from the prepatch. 4 patches between now and then?

Timewalking patch, DF wrap up story patch, Season 4 patch, some kind of story prequel for TWW patch.. sure why not, no one said they will be big patches.

[Merryck]

So if Azeroth's worldsoul is imprisoned by the Titans, and ...

Sylvanas:

"This world is a prison, and I will set us all free."

and ...

N'Zoth:

"All eyes shall be opened."
"Only I can save this world. Yield... and serve!"
"She will show you the way. Come... come. The hour approaches when all eyes shall be opened."

and ...

Il'gynoth:

"The lord of ravens will turn the key."
"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it."
"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."
"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."
"From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength."
"Your coming was foretold in the rings. The long circle is nearly complete."

Knowing Presence:

"Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Our dreams. Our song."



So have the Titans imprisoned the worldsoul because it is already corrupted by the Old Gods? Placed in stasis, in a sense? They aren't evil, they are lawbringers, keepers of order, jailers and watchers.

The Old Gods already took Azeroth's worldsoul, and the Titans' response was to imprison it. Keep it in stasis. Prevent it from waking up as a horrible manifestation of the Void.

Sargeras wanted to create a Dark Pantheon to stand a chance against the Void, and sought to kill Azeroth's worldsoul in Legion rather than keep it imprisoned.

In The Last Titan, one of the Titans, perhaps Sargeras or Eonar, ends up being the final Titan left that can help Azeroth somehow. Perhaps setting her free?

I doubt N'Zoth was up to anything good, though. He might be suggesting that the great "truth" is that the Titans are keeping the worldsoul imprisoned. But I'm sure he wants her free so that the Old Gods become free or something.

Sylvanas was referring to the cycle of life and death when she said the world was a prison for the record. I doubt she knows shit about the world soul, and I dearly hope she's not relevant to this saga.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

[Walrusking]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

I think it spawned from people pointing out the LAst Titan logo having a very similar design to the Incarnate's prison.

[Merryck]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

Because it was framed that the Titans might have nefarious intent for the world soul and the logo for the Final Titan depicted the same rings that imprisoned the Incarnates. I'm not a fan of it either, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

[Raetary]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

It's based on the TLT logo having one of those gyroscopic rings around it, like the prisons of the incarnates.
That's pretty much it.

I find the idea pretty stupid and redundant.

Like, they are essentially imprisoning the baby inside the womb.
As if not being fully developed and being stuck inside the planet isn't enough of a prison.

[Merryck]

I'm just glad that there was no mention of the First Ones. Maybe we can go this entire saga without them being mentioned.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think it spawned from people pointing out the LAst Titan logo having a very similar design to the Incarnate's prison.

It's just the most recent theory, not confirmed or anything. The logo for The Last Titan has a Titan Prison design, like the one Iridikron was kept inside. It also has the same runes as you see in the Seat of the Pantheon. So a lot of people are speculating that the worldsoul is imprisoned by them, and I'm playing around with that idea.

Because it was framed that the Titans might have nefarious intent for the world soul and the logo for the Final Titan depicted the same rings that imprisoned the Incarnates. I'm not a fan of it either, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

Weird theory given that the scaleborn book tells us that the prison was made by the aspects not the titans with not even the keepers having any hand in it as the aspects stopped communicating with them hundreds of years before the war started.