The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

Huh? The raid Affix was the only reason to repeat the content.Then they probably should have covered some of that at blizzcon. I'm shocked that a powerpoint presentation & the shortest cinematic ever was the extent of retail footage they had to offer.Everything Ion says is shockingly bad idea. My guild really liked the new affixes. Why are we being nostalgic for content we just had less than a year ago? The theme for season 4 being "nothing new" makes me think he has to be trolling.
That would be wild considering the Titans spent 100,000 years doing nothing.

They have more feedback that disagrees with your guild. Most people didn't like the affixes.

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I'm still going to guess that it's not "Titans/Keeper bad" and more "SOME of them are liars because reasons" with maaaaybe a couple "some of them have selfish intentions and need to be put down" (Odyn, maybe Aman'thul)

Ironically if Aman'thul is the big big bad then he could even be what Zovaal was prepping against.

Aman'thul is so weak without his original body that Zovaal could have just bitch slapped him into a nearby star. Seriously doubt his warning was about a Titan.

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Regardless of the outcome I think we all can agree that our girl Azeroth is going to need some serious therapy in 14.0 after its all said and done.

I've always liked the idea that she turns out to have a bit of an ambiguous side to her: as a world forged in war, it would fit for her to take on a very bellicose tendency. It would add an interesting extra angle if it turned out we might just be letting the equivalent to Khorne pupate in Azeroth's core. As a more moderate alternative, she could well have taken away the wrong lessons: her surface is full of stories of vengeance and paranoia leading people to corruption, but she might as well also have a skewed perspective on things and instead take away "everybody else wants to get you; you need to strike first before you're ever safe". It could make for something of a character arc and add some real depth and relevance to Golden's lovey-dovey stuff if it carried the extra weight of "this is all to train the planet not to hatch as a paranoid lunatic", with there being this looming notion that we're trying to heal Azeroth's perspective of the world instead of just having the blandest possible set of generic good guys gallivant around.

[Chickat]

Congratulations, you just rendered every prior Sargeras & Old god plot irrelevant. Turns out Azeroth was already corrupted the whole time. Enjoy Classic.
This is like "somehow palpatine returned" but worse.

I disagree. It could be that shes partially void corrupted and that she would be a titan but slightly void leaning like Eonar is a titan but slightly life leaning. Perhaps they wanted time to reset her. The void would still want to fully transform her into a full on Void lord. A little corrupted isn't good enough.

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I hate this because unlike Xal, or Azshara, or Denathrius.... Iridikron does not have enough personality to be....the longest persistent antagonist we've ever had. These long-term stories never end well, just look at game of thrones: GRRM doesn't even want to finish writing it.

Everyone loves or loved him 6 months ago.

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Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

One of his questions to the player:

What imprisons, but also protects?

I could see that being foreshadowing. I like to think it may be more in the spirit of a metaphorical prison, the idea of Order being something that restricts but also prevents something worse and intrinsically hostile from popping up, but after the Circle of Stars turned out to just be a place in Nazjatar (if they were even planning that far ahead and didn't do it retroactively), we have good precedent to take everything very literally unless they've really grown as writers since.

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I hate this because unlike Xal, or Azshara, or Denathrius.... Iridikron does not have enough personality to be....the longest persistent antagonist we've ever had. These long-term stories never end well, just look at game of thrones: GRRM doesn't even want to finish writing it.

I honestly agree. I was saying as soon as he was introduced that he felt like one of the blandest among his comrades. He worked well with a dynamic, but I can't see him working that well alone, though he's definitely a step up from some previous villains.

[Chickat]

Okay, i predict that Old Gods sent by Void Lords corrupted Azeroth's embryo despite Titan's efforts to contain them. Titans facilities are also designed to contain Azeroth in case it goes insane.
Old Gods turned Azeroth into Xal'tath. Sargeras tried to kill here before she grew up. He failed and she is free.
Twist would be that we tried to protect the villain all this time and you cant help Azeroth, its evil.

Final boss is Magni Bronzebeard shouting about all the woons hes going to inflict on us in the fight. WOONS... WOOONS.. ILL SHOW YOU WOOONS.

[Catastrophy349]

Ion confirmed in an interview that we would be getting 3 updates in 2024 before TWW. https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman...h=1d91a3672268

“There's a lot of epilogue. There's a lot of wrap up to both conclude various storylines, various story arcs of Dragonflight–what will become of the aspects, what is Iridikron up to–what is the future of many of the protagonists, in particular characters who have been central to the story? But then also to begin to set up the story of War Within, and prologue content there.

That will add up to three separate content updates, he said."

[FossilFree]

Ion confirmed in an interview that we would be getting 3 updates in 2024 before TWW. https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman...h=1d91a3672268

“There's a lot of epilogue. There's a lot of wrap up to both conclude various storylines, various story arcs of Dragonflight–what will become of the aspects, what is Iridikron up to–what is the future of many of the protagonists, in particular characters who have been central to the story? But then also to begin to set up the story of War Within, and prologue content there.

That will add up to three separate content updates, he said."

Content updates without raids are okay with me. As long as they are fun, a raid is not always required. I just wish they would pull back a bit from these outdoor events.

One or two are fine, but so many running at once and the whole Dragon Isles continent runs like crap from their servers being so bogged down. Just think what happened with the Treasure Goblin event for Diablo 4, but now that's all the time because of all these events. Throw in a world boss in that zone, suffusion camp up, tuskarr soup, and it's just too much. Try just walking around Valdrakken with a Time Rift up nearby (seriously, why put it there?). If anything has lessened my enjoyment for Dragonflight, it's all the server lag.

If the servers can't handle it, they should stop doubling and tripling down on events. It's making everyone's experience worse.

[Scyth]

“There's a lot of epilogue. There's a lot of wrap up to both conclude various storylines, various story arcs of Dragonflight–what will become of the aspects, what is Iridikron up to–what is the future of many of the protagonists, in particular characters who have been central to the story? But then also to begin to set up the story of War Within, and prologue content there.”

So Ion said this in the Forbes interview and I’m quite excited about it.
We really need to see more of Iridikron before DF ends which also means we probably get to see Xal soon-ish too!

[Chickat]

Content updates without raids are okay with me. As long as they are fun, a raid is not always required. I just wish they would pull back a bit from these outdoor events.

One or two are fine, but so many running at once and the whole Dragon Isles continent runs like crap from their servers being so bogged down. Just think what happened with the Treasure Goblin event for Diablo 4, but now that's all the time because of all these events. Throw in a world boss in that zone, suffusion camp up, tuskarr soup, and it's just too much. Try just walking around Valdrakken with a Time Rift up nearby (seriously, why put it there?). If anything has lessened my enjoyment for Dragonflight, it's all the server lag.

If the servers can't handle it, they should stop doubling and tripling down on events. It's making everyone's experience worse.

If they want to keep adding events, go back to phasing or loading. Time event phases you into a small instance with up to 40 other people.

[Vakir]

It features what you believe to be a prison.

I'm not totally backing what Worldshaper is putting down, but doesn't the Titan prison toy from the Tyr questline put you in something identical to it?

My working theory remains the same, ultimately. One given power can't be the end-all be all-good or bad without it diluting the setting massively. The endgame is that Azeroth is likely to be some kind of tabula rasa with everyone, including the Titans, trying to make their mark on what "she" is due to her power without the care into the fate or nuance of her people. Ultimately the story will culminate that she is ours to shape, free of any major alignment among the six (no 7th force anime horseshit pls), along the next 20 years and beyond.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is quite literally what I've been saying!!!

It’s really the only reasonable thing to think because as of now the titans have nothing to do with a random dragon made prison.

[PotHockets]

I'm not totally backing what Worldshaper is putting down, but doesn't the Titan prison toy from the Tyr questline put you in something identical to it?

My working theory remains the same, ultimately. One given power can't be the end-all be all-good or bad without it diluting the setting massively. The endgame is that Azeroth is likely to be some kind of tabula rasa with everyone, including the Titans, trying to make their mark on what "she" is due to her power without the care into the fate or nuance of her people. Ultimately the story will culminate that she is ours to shape, free of any major alignment among the six (no 7th force anime horseshit pls), along the next 20 years and beyond.

There already is a 7th force

[Vakir]

There already is a 7th force

And hopefully they walk it back. That's kind of what I'm inferring.

"No 7th force anime horse shit"

You implying we aren't already doing this anime shit with the current 6 forces? Like bruh lmaooo.

It can ALWAYS be worse.

[Vakir]

Legit couldn't get any more anime than that recent cinematic with Fyrakk and Alexstrasza bro.

Like, bro, dude, bro, I don't think the reception of that has been all that great, bro. I dunno, bro. I think it's sort of a sign, bro, that maybe they shouldn't do that.

Also, I think the 7th power is here to stay. Seems to be the ultimate end goal of WoW (currently, at least).

They've disregarded Med'an and killed Rhonin. There's always hope.

Unless it's Azeroth herself and they're just being figurative, no thanks.

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Yay! Happy 3000 page!! Not really but it's late here and I'll be asleep when you finally hit it later on.

[username993720]

Looking back on the What's Next panel from BlizzCon, I think all of them (Terran, Maria, and Morgan) did a great job, and the content they showed us was great.

I still miss the other panels we used to get that would dive deeper into each topic, like the Art panel. But what we did get was good.

Do you remember when expansions came with a behind the scenes section? I wonder why they stopped...

[Civciv]

They said they plan on doing a new patch every 8 weeks right up until TWW launch, so we may still get one.

Eh, at this point I'd rather get a farewell cinematic for Ysera. She's been useless the entire expansion anyways.

[Nymrohd]

My idea is this. At the culmination of the story at the Last Titan the Pantheon is split. Azeroth has clearly been corrupted by the Void. Whatever Iridikron does will kill Golganneth
Aman'thul believes the only solution is to to destroy her before she ever awakens and Norgannon agrees with him and . Eonar, Aggramar and maybe one more (I'd suggest Khaz'goroth since his focus is creation) counter that they can place the World Soul in stasis and find a way to cure her. Then Aman'thul brings forth the rules they set up when they created the Seat of the Pantheon and reveals that all who hold a Titan spark should hold a vote and allows Sargeras to vote. Sargeras tells them that what he senses is very different to what he once saw in Telorgus but no one believes him. He then casts his vote to kill Azeroth resulting in a tie

Then suddenly a wild Azshara appears! She has manipulated Iridikron and everything from the start and holds Golganneth's spark and with that the right to cast the deciding vote to spare Azeroth. Aman'thul is furious, refuses to agree by the vote and attempts to destroy the planet anyway at which point WE kill him. Norgannon flees to the Plane of Order to be a villain in another sequel.

Not sure yet how I would finish it but at the end I would have Azeroth put in stasis. We are then tasked by Eonar and Elune to heal the world so as to soothe Azeroth's soul while they lez out. Which ofc means world revamp because ofc it would, I am writing this shit.

[Civciv]

My idea is this. At the culmination of the story at the Last Titan the Pantheon is split. Azeroth has clearly been corrupted by the Void. Whatever Iridikron does will kill Golganneth
Amman'thul believes the only solution is to to destroy her before she ever awakens and Norgannon agrees with him and . Eonar, Aggramar and maybe one more (I'd suggest Khaz'goroth since his focus is creation) counter that they can place the World Soul in stasis and find a way to cure her. Then Aman'thul brings forth the rules they set up when they created the Seat of the Pantheon and reveals that all who hold a Titan spark should hold a vote and allows Sargeras to vote. Sargeras tells them that what he senses is very different to what he once saw in Telorgus but no one believes him. He then casts his vote to kill Azeroth resulting in a tie

Then suddenly a wild Azshara appears! She has manipulated Iridikron and everything from the start and holds Golganneth's spark and with that the right to cast the deciding vote to spare Azeroth. Aman'thul is furious, refuses to agree by the vote and attempts to destroy the planet anyway at which point WE kill him. Norgannon flees to the Plane of Order to be a villain in another sequel.

Not sure yet how I would finish it but at the end I would have Azeroth put in stasis. We are then tasked by Eonar and Elune to heal the world so as to soothe Azeroth's soul while they lez out. Which ofc means world revamp because ofc it would, I am writing this shit.

You have a potential to be the greatest wattpad writer

[Nymrohd]

You have a potential to be the greatest wattpad writer

I don't know if I should be offended or amused