The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I have a problem with a "god" with completely human motivations, banal ones at that. I'd rather have mysterious entities whose existences we can barely fathom because they exist in dimensions we can't conceive of.

What is a god? There is no entity in the Warcraft universe that seems to be omniscient or omnipotent.

[Lady Atia]

I have a problem with a "god" with completely human motivations, banal ones at that. I'd rather have mysterious entities whose existences we can barely fathom because they exist in dimensions we can't conceive of.

But that's why they introduced the First Ones. Titans always had bodies aswell as human motivations, going back to Sargeras in earliest lore, so it makes sense to tread them the same way Marvel deals with the Nordic Gods.

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What is a god? There is no entity in the Warcraft universe that seems to be omniscient or omnipotent.

That answer is simple! It's ... we. We are omniscient gods in the Warcraft universe because we even know an Expansion months before it's releasing!

[Raetary]

What is a god? There is no entity in the Warcraft universe that seems to be omniscient or omnipotent.

Most RL gods aren't either.

[Santandame]

I’m going to make a bold prediction that Locus Walker is an avatar or apparition of Dimensius and that he’s manipulating Alleria for his own gain.

Dimensius/Locus Walker as the the boss of Midnight with the final patch being K’aresh. Locus Walker needs to be reintroduced in TWW though for maximum effect and there’s no reason for him not to considering Alleria seems to be our main character & Khadgar/Magni/Bolvar of the expansion.

The War Within - Alleria
Midnight - Turalyon & Sylvanas
The Last Titan - Illidan

Those are the main characters I envision of the upcoming expansions and it’s strong marketing as it utilises iconic WC RTS characters for what seems to be the conclusion of WoW Phase 1.

Anduin, Thrall and Magni I see as playing large roles in all three expansions, but the above characters I see as being their respective expansions poster character.

[Daniri]

What is a god? There is no entity in the Warcraft universe that seems to be omniscient or omnipotent.

God isn't the word I'd have used, I just didn't want to quibble about it. When I'm talking about entities that should have some unknowable quality to them, I'm referring to everything from elemental spirits and dragons to Titans and the Light.

But that's why they introduced the First Ones. Titans always had bodies aswell as human motivations, going back to Sargeras in earliest lore, so it makes sense to tread them the same way Marvel deals with the Nordic Gods.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the First Ones are ever going to have the same level of mystery the Titans used to have in this setting, or be appreciated in the same way the Titans were. As of right now it seems to me like many fans don't even like to bring the First Ones up because they dread the topic.

And it's not having human motivations that bothers me. It's having completely human motivations.

[Nymrohd]

As of right now it seems to me like many fans don't even like to bring the First Ones up because they dread the topic.

Are you discussing it here or in other places? If it is here, I think the issue is that there is a small community here and we have a number of very challenging posters attached to specific topics so many of us just avoid those topics.

[Dracullus]

Here's my theory about the history of Khaz Algar, Avaloren, and the worldsoul.

Personally I think Avaloren was planned as expac after Khaz Algar, but currently it's thing for very distant future.

When Metzen returned to company, they probably already worked on 11.0 zones, so it was incorporated into worldsoul thing, but he had freedom to chose setting for 12.0/13.0. It's just my theory of course.

[Valysar]

I fear that the final cinematic of the raid today is gonna be as disappointing as the others (ugly quality, nothing to tell)

[Nymrohd]

I fear that the final cinematic of the raid today is gonna be as disappointing as the others (ugly quality, nothing to tell)

Cannot possibly equal N'zoth cinematic in level of disappointment or Archimonde cinematic in how how red the imprint from the facepalm was.

[huth]

I assume he means in the same hemisphere.

Well, that's the issue. Anything west of Kalimdor or east of EK is not on the hemisphere we usually think of as "front". So southwest of Kalimdor would already put it on the backside, completely negating the claim.

[Nymrohd]

Well, that's the issue. Anything west of Kalimdor or east of EK is not on the hemisphere we usually think of as "front". So southwest of Kalimdor would already put it on the backside, completely negating the claim.

Has anyone actually used the full view ofAzeroth from the Vindicaar to map a projection of it so as to estimate the location of the equator and place the continents within parallels and meridians? If yes, I'd love to see it so we can see that Kalimdor and EK are contained within longtitudes equal or exceeding π

[huth]

I have a problem with a "god" with completely human motivations, banal ones at that. I'd rather have mysterious entities whose existences we can barely fathom because they exist in dimensions we can't conceive of.

Then you're going to have a hard time with real world mythology. Gods having rather human motivations is the norm, not the exception.

What is a god? There is no entity in the Warcraft universe that seems to be omniscient or omnipotent.

Neither do any real world gods. Some it is claimed of, but it doesn't match up with their actually shown capabilities in their own holy texts.

[Nymrohd]

Neither do any real world gods. Some it is claimed of, but it doesn't match up with their actually shown capabilities in their own holy texts.

Always felt that the Pantheon was designed to look very much like the Greek Pantheon. What they lacked was the internecine conflict (yes Sargeras killed them, but the rest seemed very united) but TLT promises to deliver on that part (I am hoping at least Eonar and maybe Aggramar will be on our side).

[Daniri]

Most real world mythology I'm familiar with places humans in an inferior position to the gods, and usually with the understanding that we can never truly know their nature.

[Nymrohd]

Most real world mythology I'm familiar with places humans in an inferior position to the gods, and usually with the understanding that we can never truly know their nature.

Really? I don't think their nature is usually unknowable in most of the older polytheistic mythologies. They are definitely supposed to be insurmountable and exposure to their pure power is catastrophic (ask Semele)

[Valysar]

Cannot possibly equal N'zoth cinematic in level of disappointment or Archimonde cinematic in how how red the imprint from the facepalm was.

Every raid cinematics should be in pre-rendered for me... (even in CGI...)

[Cheezits]

I will be absolutely stunned if the raid cinematic doesn't show the tree blooming/crossing over into Azeroth. I am hoping it makes the zone available as well, but it may be gated to 10.2.5.

[Ersula]

DF zones are no smaller than both bfa continents combined. DF zones are actually only a few % smaller than Northrend, and with the patch zones added, it firmly puts them at the largest amount of land ever added to WoW. BFA zones had very little content aside from faction assaults which are not much larger in scale than a single event from DF like Dreamsurges. Nazjatar and Zaralek are similar in scale and scope whether you admit it or not. 10.2 and the Dream is an actual zone instead of 2 zone takovers like in bfa so actual content.

Who cares how big the landmasses are? If anything Dragonflight demonstrates the size of the zones doesn't correspond that there's anything to do in them. Besides I wasn't talking about content delivery; I was talking about how unimpressive the TWW presentation was at Blizzcon. I strongly contend it was the weakest expansion presentation ever.

The cosmology of the chronicles establishes the complete opposite.

The Light and the Void were the 2 universal forces that composed existence, before their clash created the universe and the other forces with it.
Light was a creational force, so of course it would seed Life whereever it fell.

As far as we know before the Universe was ordered, that what life & light were before would even be recognizable as what we know know the cosmic spheres to be. The energies that their comprised of existed, but life & light effectively did not exist.

[Valysar]

I will be absolutely stunned if the raid cinematic doesn't show the tree blooming/crossing over into Azeroth. I am hoping it makes the zone available as well, but it may be gated to 10.2.5.

Today/tomorrow we'll have chapter 5 & 6 so; yeah it'll in the chapter 7 in 10.2.5.

[Marlamin]

Every raid cinematics should be in pre-rendered for me... (even in CGI...)

There is a 26 second prerendered cutscene that plays, probably part of a larger cutscene that is also partially in-game, idk when it plays exactly but probably raid clear and/or final quest deliver.