The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Izalla]

True, but I'd go out in a limb and ascribe some responsibility to Blizzard for their communication. At this point it just seems like a marketing ploy, as if applying a series of fancy names to a simple new row of talent points.

Yesterday, I think a great deal of people - including myself - dupped themselves/were dupped into believing this was an entirely different thing, far more transformative than it seems to be, both mechanically and aesthetically.

My little nature loving druid heart is broken. Why can't I just have a green wrath ability back and starfall replaced with hurricane weather effects? I'm pretty sure the pvpers will still recognize that as a druid.

And if I can't have that can't I at least have more glyphs to make my abilities visually sun based? I'll take being a sun based druid over a moon based druid.

[pacotaco]

I might be blind and deaf, but I'm pretty sure Ion showcased a UI screenshot (mock-up probably) that showed a list of characters added to your Warband, and then below that was a normal list of other characters.

He also said you can add characters from different realms. Not sure why he'd say that if they're automatically included anyway.

No, that was the new character select screen, where you can select up to 5 characters to show.

[Khaza-R]

Same, but after that interview from Maria Hamilton it kind of diluted my hype. Imagine saying you're going back to Quel'Thalas for something epic, and when asked if the zone will be revamped they tell you "expect a fresh coat of paint". Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's kind of underwhelming. Hopefully Midnight won't be and it will be cool, but yeah

I think your perspective if very reasonable but I also feel like the devs know how much the community want a world revamp and probably want to make it irrevocably clear they are just touching certain zones.

[Vlyse]

I think 12.0/13.0 revamped zones and new areas will be great, and there’s still so much about them yet to be announced, but I hope after that 14.0 is a brand new setting again. Those have been the best, like MOP, Broken Isles, DF, and now hopefully TWW.

I was excited about Avaloren and Tigon, lol…

[Raetary]

I feel like they kinda shot themselves in the foot by announcing the setting of each expansion.

People are more preoccupied talking about Silvermoon, than what's gonna happen in TWW.

[Stonecloak]

I expect Cataclysm level changes on these "fresh coat of paint jobs". It'll be more confined, but I don't think for example It'll just be one area in Quel'Thalas, or Northrend. I expect in the least 4 revamped zones in each of those expansions.

[Cheezits]

I feel like they kinda shot themselves in the foot by announcing the setting of each expansion.

People are more preoccupied talking about Silvermoon, than what's gonna happen in TWW.

They had to announce a revamp of a popular area because the fanbase wouldn't have done well with just another reveal of another New Island like Khaz Algar (though it is done well IMO).

Northrend is weird though because I don't think that was as popular a request as, say, Ashenvale revamp. But HD Ulduar is probably the focus because it's so popular.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

TWW was never going to be a popular concept. Everyone is excited for Midnight and curious about LTT.

It makes sense why they wanted to have 3 connective expansions considering how weak TWW is.

Obviously the Major Patches becoming a gacha mechanic with your box purchase price is a weird change from them. But, at least now if there is more than 1-2 Major Patches its a surprise mechanic.

[Varodoc]

They had to announce a revamp of a popular area because the fanbase wouldn't have done well with just another reveal of another New Island like Khaz Algar (though it is done well IMO).

Northrend is weird though because I don't think that was as popular a request as, say, Ashenvale revamp. But HD Ulduar is probably the focus because it's so popular.

Lich King fans vastly outnumber Night elf fans.

Back at Blizzcon 2019, the crowd went wild when they saw Icecrown Citadel at the beginning of the SL trailer.

The Lich King is easily the most popular and beloved villain of entire Warcraft franchise; it is not surprising that Northrend will be the setting of the final expansion of the Worldsoul saga.

[Raetary]

They had to announce a revamp of a popular area because the fanbase wouldn't have done well with just another reveal of another New Island like Khaz Algar (though it is done well IMO).

Northrend is weird though because I don't think that was as popular a request as, say, Ashenvale revamp. But HD Ulduar is probably the focus because it's so popular.

For an expansion that's supposed to be the climax of an expansion trilogy, i really hope Northrend is actually a revamp and not just an extended Stormpeaks.

[Daniri]

Did they not mention any expanded race/class combos?

[Cheezits]

Lich King fans vastly outnumber Night elf fans.

Back at Blizzcon 2019, the crowd went wild when they saw Icecrown Citadel at the beginning of the SL trailer.

The Lich King is easily the most popular and beloved villain of entire Warcraft franchise; it is not surprising that Northrend will be the setting of the final expansion of the Worldsoul saga.

The Lich King hype will be promoting an expansion that will likely not touch ICC or Arthas for very very obvious reasons?

[Izalla]

Players want it to be trivial though. They dont want to have to play a minigame to get to that rare quickly. They just want to get there. If they want to add more challenges and minigames for flying thats great. Dont take away functionality. It probably would have been fine if they implemented it the way you suggest, but its too late now. You cant take away peoples toys. Its like flying in tbc. They regretted adding it, but it was too late. Cant take it away.

Beyond the speed I just love how immersive it feels to have to actually control your mount instead of just hitting forward/auto run. Turning it into some "show off your skills" bullshit that no one else even cares about (is anyone really gonna be in awe of your dragon riding abilities? No one cares about someone else's flight...) would totally ruin the immersion for me. Why can't my flying mount effectively stay in the air longer than 20 seconds? Are its wings malformed? Is the engine busted? Why would my incompetence as a rider make my mount get tired so fast it has to land right away when I couldn't find updrafts and speed boosts?

[ro9ue]

What ever happened with the whole "Scourge will run rampant without a LK"? Was that a lie or are scourge actually running rampant now lol?

[Cheezits]

For an expansion that's supposed to be the climax of an expansion trilogy, i really hope Northrend is actually a revamp and not just an extended Stormpeaks.

We'll see, but I can see it just being the right side of Northrend (everything to the right of ICC but including Dragonblight)

[Izalla]

So are the Earthen an allied race instead of a regular race because they reuse the dwarf model and Blizz knows they would be shit on for calling that a new race? Or because they plan to add a few different ones through the expac and allied race is code for "not a full race but not the only one you'll get"?

[Varodoc]

The Lich King hype will be promoting an expansion that will likely not touch ICC for very very obvious reasons?

Not again with "Shadowlands PTSD" arguments.

Just because Shadowlands lore flopped and people would rather just ignore it doesn't mean they can no longer touch on Lich King and Scourge.

I definitely can't see a Northrend revamp that doesn't feature the Scourge and Icecrown Citadel (one of most iconic raids) in some way.

And weren't some people here speculating that Harrowsdeep (Iridrikon's lair from the novel) is near or under Icecrown?

[Raetary]

What ever happened with the whole "Scourge will run rampant without a LK"? Was that a lie or are scourge actually running rampant now lol?

SL pre-patch says hello.

The Ebon Blade are currently responsible to keep them in check.

[Izalla]

What ever happened with the whole "Scourge will run rampant without a LK"? Was that a lie or are scourge actually running rampant now lol?

They destroyed Redridge and killed a ton of people but I don't know if Blizz gave the specifics on other affected zones.

[Vakir]

The Lich King hype will be promoting an expansion that will likely not touch ICC or Arthas for very very obvious reasons?

I am not backing Varodoc's position on any of this, but I just wanted to throw in that there is absolutely no way that Arthas' final fate is gonna stay as it was in SL, lol. Not even to say it should change. But I'd bet anything it will.