The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Vakir]

No but if they're smart they'll set the major patch zones there.

It depends on whether it makes sense to set major patch zones there. Lordaeron, maybe, but Alterac and the Wetlands are like C or D-tier zones in terms of relevancy to big-stakes stuff.

And again, Blizzard is more inclined to make new shit to be there for their own pace to manipulate. There are tons of logical locations in past expansions that we didn't go to in favor of something completely different because they could tweak it from the ground up.

They are also, frequently, not smart.

Metzen: "You will make your stand with the forces of the Light and banish the shadow forever!".

Anduin is old when he leads the final battle against the shadow. He will be old in Midnight.

They already said this was "one potential future" because it kills all tension.

You've been told this like 3-4 times and you ignore it every time.

[Cheezits]

Remember it's elf tribes including Night Elves. So maybe they will hold on building the new Nelf city, even if the tree crosses over in 10.2, until 12.0 and have it be a new zone with quests?

Maybe housing for Silvermoon and Amirdrassil?

[Ersula]

Remember it's elf tribes including Night Elves. So maybe they will hold on building the new Nelf city, even if the tree crosses over in 10.2, until 12.0 and have it be a new zone with quests?

I assumed the zone as it is will just be transposed into the material plane. Then Amirdrassil is as close to Silvermoon as Lordaeron is.

It depends on whether it makes sense to set major patch zones there. Lordaeron, maybe, but Alterac and the Wetlands are like C or D-tier zones in terms of relevancy to big-stakes stuff.

In my original post I was implying the southern Half of EK & the Northern Half of Kalimdor would be the setting of whatever comes after the worldsoul saga. And then they're done with the revamp.

[pacotaco]

Everytime they add a race or class it adds more work for them in future expansions. Every new race requires more armor fitting time. Every new class adds balancing time. Its not sustainable to add those things every expansion anymore.

You talk like they added classes at neck-breaking pace. They've added 4 extra classes in 20 years! 4! In 20years! Do you actually think that's a lot?!

[Izalla]

Why do people assume this would be the case? Couldnt it be more like the difference between Dragonriding races, and Dragonriding challenge races? In both cases you have no issues staying aloft, just that in one you move significantly faster.

The way I imagine Dragonriding should look is less about never being able to do anything, and more so that you look out over a zone, see a whole bunch of options for fast movement, and your skill determines whether you go the standard, slightly boring way. Or the more challenging, but much faster and more visually interesting way.

Sure, dragons should be able to stay flying for a good while. But on the other hand, when my warrior does a whatever amazingly strong swing of his preposterously large sword I should logically slice arms off easily. Or leave my opponent crippled. But since that would be less interesting to look at and play you accept the gameplay aspect of the game.

See I would hate that because I don't want that stuff all over my screen looking more like a game than a world. I want the world to feel like a world as much as it can. I can hide names above people's heads and make my UI as minimalist and small as possible but I wouldn't be able to hide all the randomly placed flight crap hanging in the air. It's fine during races because races are a mini game, but I wouldn't want those filling up my zones all the time.

Also I've literally never in all my time playing this expac noticed how someone else is flying. I don't care how good someone else is at flying, it has nothing to do with me. I just want to enjoy my own experience and my experience has nothing to do with hoping other people can tell I'm above average at it. I just want to fly and zoom and have fun.

And I say all that as someone who has deliberately not bought flying on alts I was leveling until literally forced to by Cataclysm zone design because I like the immersion of running on the ground on a horse or whatever when I choose to as well.

[Cheezits]

I assumed the zone as it is will just be transposed into the material plane.

The tree is too small to be habitable, so I assume it would change significantly when it moves into reality.

[Vakir]

I assumed the zone as it is will just be transposed into the material plane. Then Amirdrassil is as close to Silvermoon as Lordaeron is.
In my original post I was implying the southern Half of EK & the Northern Half of Kalimdor would be the setting of whatever comes after the worldsoul saga. And then they're done with the revamp.

But you usually need to have the setting be in service to the concept, not vice-versa.

There's no guarantee of that. Unless, of course, 14.0 or 15.0 is designed to be a full questing post-saga reboot. But that'd be a lot to update those two AND then restructure everything to take place after.

See I would hate that because I don't want that stuff all over my screen looking more like a game than a world. I want the world to feel like a world as much as it can. I can hide names above people's heads and make my UI as minimalist and small as possible but I wouldn't be able to hide all the randomly placed flight crap hanging in the air. It's fine during races because races are a mini game, but I wouldn't want those filling up my zones all the time.

Also I've literally never in all my time playing this expac noticed how someone else is flying. I don't care how good someone else is at flying, it has nothing to do with me. I just want to enjoy my own experience and my experience has nothing to do with hoping other people can tell I'm above average at it. I just want to fly and zoom and have fun.

Can confirm, the gryphon is cool in GW2 if you want to show off your expertise purely for the sake of ego, but it doesn't necessarily work in a game like WoW that has a lot more content density per square meter and has a ton of emphasis on instanced content on top of it.

GW2 is a game about stopping every so often to do an extended event on the ground and/or using gusts with your glider to sometimes elevate around that event.

In WoW you're zipping around doing shit every 3 seconds if you're picking up every collectible and killing every rare possible.

You talk like they added classes at neck-breaking pace. They've added 4 extra classes in 20 years! 4! In 20years! Do you actually think that's a lot?!

The time between Death Knights and Monks was 4 years (and 1 expansion), between Monks and Demon Hunters was 4 years (and 1 expansion), and between Demon Hunters and Evoker was 6 (and 2 expansions).

The interim expansions with no classes added 1-2 new races (or fully updated almost all the races in WoD's case) except for BFA's reskins (and new rigs for Zandalari males and Kul Tirans) and SL's absolutely fucking nothing (customization additions being minor).

Really the moral is that the one two punch of BFA and SL around the pandemic was a super dark time for the game.

[Cheezits]

I do wonder if they were tone deaf with the Nerubians and it's just a coincidence they are giving them a humanoid form. Maybe they really didn't plan on them being playable, similar to Sethrak.

But after Dracthyr armor changes, unsure. The fact that they are the first raid means they can be made playable fairly quickly after launch content ends.

[Zaelsino]

Do you all think that Old Anduin comic is set during Midnight or The Last Titan?

Neither. I'm pretty sure they relegated it to "only one possible future" years ago and have no intention of ever making good on that panel. It's the Blizzard classic: never commit, always leave the door open for that quiet retcon.

[Vakir]

Neither. I'm pretty sure they relegated it to "only one possible future" years ago and have no intention of ever making good on that panel. It's the Blizzard classic: never commit, always leave the door open for that quiet retcon.

Val: "That post won't stop me because I can't read!"

[Ersula]

But you usually need to have the setting be in service to the concept, not vice-versa.

If you're inventing the concept from your imagination there's no reason you can't start with a setting in mind first. Like, Dragon Soul, Fury of Hellfire, Visions of N'zoth, etc.

I think we've already had people in this thread say "Surely, the Void Invaders attacking the sunwell would have some interest in the Grave-Prison of Zakajz" aka the Forsaken starting zone.

[huth]

Silithus is definitely getting updated during TWW. Maybe more. Quel'thalas is definitely joining the rest of the map, so might as well set a patch in the Plaguelands. They directly stated TLT is set in Northrend. Even by conservative estimates, at that point all they would need to do is update Hyjal & Khaz Modan regions. Then the revamp is done.

Why would Silithus get updated? We're not going there.

[Sondrelk]

See I would hate that because I don't want that stuff all over my screen looking more like a game than a world. I want the world to feel like a world as much as it can. I can hide names above people's heads and make my UI as minimalist and small as possible but I wouldn't be able to hide all the randomly placed flight crap hanging in the air. It's fine during races because races are a mini game, but I wouldn't want those filling up my zones all the time.

Also I've literally never in all my time playing this expac noticed how someone else is flying. I don't care how good someone else is at flying, it has nothing to do with me. I just want to enjoy my own experience and my experience has nothing to do with hoping other people can tell I'm above average at it. I just want to fly and zoom and have fun.

And I say all that as someone who has deliberately not bought flying on alts I was leveling until literally forced to by Cataclysm zone design because I like the immersion of running on the ground on a horse or whatever when I choose to as well.

I would argue Blizzard should strive to make Dragonriding look naturally impressive, even if just to the player.
The Stormrider ability that replaces the whirling surge is a perfect example to me. With just a bit of challenge added you end up with an ability significantly more interesting than the old one.
It gives a bigger boost than Whirling Surge, and since you have to fly a tiny bit more risky it looks more impressive than just flying high up in the air where nothing can happen.

[Cherry123]

Metzen: "You will make your stand with the forces of the Light and banish the shadow forever!".

Anduin is old when he leads the final battle against the shadow. He will be old in Midnight.

There will not be such a time gap between expansions. He is now 28+ years old, but in the comic he is 70

He needs a wife and family, he won’t be a 70-year-old virgin who has been sad all his life

[kavikor]

Idk how people are still disappointed with TWW after believing the 4 zone island. We get Nerubian Empire, Xal'atath, Light Lore, Dwarves, Titan stuff? that's way more than expected. Or at least I expected

[Vakir]

If you're inventing the concept from your imagination there's no reason you can't start with a setting in mind first. Like, Dragon Soul, Fury of Hellfire, Visions of N'zoth, etc.

The fuck?

Dragon Soul made sense from the perspective of getting the thing that defined the history of the draconic races as a superweapon. Dragonblight didn't get an update just because (or at all).

Fury of Hellfire was just a natural extension of the fact that we didn't go to Tanaan and they wanted to wrap WoD up as much as possible going into Legion. Tanaan got tweaked but you could hardly call something one patch away an "update."

Visions of N'Zoth I will grant you because it is LITERALLY in-story fully formed from the mind rather than give us an actual reason to go to the actual Black Empire and it sucks.

Why would Silithus get updated? We're not going there.

She does this. It's a fool's errand.

Idk how people are still disappointed with TWW after believing the 4 zone island. We get Nerubian Empire, Xal'atath, Light Lore, Dwarves, that's way more than expected. Or at least I expected

When people expect the moon literally every 2 years and never learn from it, they will be disappointed.

Goodbye and good riddance, leak season. At least for now.

[Padwarle]

Another blizzcon, another Ion meme.

[Stonecloak]

Another blizzcon, another Ion meme.

Lol that's great.

[Sondrelk]

To pose a simple hypothetical for Dragonriding. Would it be considered too much if the various abilities all had a tiny restriction like what the Stormriding ability does? If the ascent ability could only be used while close to a solid object, or if Vigor only recharged when reasonably close to the ground, but did so twice as fast?

[Vakir]

I think we've already had people in this thread say "Surely, the Void Invaders attacking the sunwell would have some interest in the Grave-Prison of Zakajz" aka the Forsaken starting zone.

I think we established that Lordaeron makes sense. It's also a fanservice paradise. It's probably the first place I'd update after Eversong if you put a gun to my head with how much people dickride it.

We're not talking about it, though. We're talking about the other zones listed. You know that, though. You're just obfuscating.

To pose a simple hypothetical for Dragonriding. Would it be considered too much if the various abilities all had a tiny restriction like what the Stormriding ability does? If the ascent ability could only be used while close to a solid object, or if Vigor only recharged when reasonably close to the ground, but did so twice as fast?

Maybe, but as an opt-in talent.

"Daredevil" style flying, basically. I already agreed it would be wise to just put other abilities on the barrel roll, like the Stormrider but swapped.