The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I'm talking about a post-revamp Silithus, Ersula. Keep up.

An ostensible next 20 years Silithus wouldn't have the damn sword in it.

You keep up: The zones are never going to be evergreen: They have to relate to the current plot. They're only going to be updated in relation to the current storyline going on. Then if people are still playing in another 20 years they'll update them again.

So if they're doing a story about Azeroth itself, that is when you update Azeroth.

[Vakir]

You keep up: The zones are never going to be evergreen: They have to relate to the current plot. They're only going to be updated in relation to the current plot. Then if people are still playing in another 20 years they'll update them again.

...the entire inciting point of this discussion was zones being updated gradually to a point where they will be changed in preparation for a more full revamp.

If Silithus gets an update, I'm talking about the form in which it would exist in the next iteration of its questing area.

If they updated it only for it to just be the exact same status as it would be with the sword on it, that kinda kills the whole "next 20 years."

So if they're doing a story about Azeroth itself, that is when you update Azeroth.

So, probably closer to 13.0 then.

[Cheezits]

We probably won't get a Silithus update, but the last zone will be as close to the World Soul as possible... so likely underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart.

[Vakir]

The description of Magni's character from the panel has death flags all over it, incidentally.

He's gonna sacrifice himself to seal Azeroth's soul off so the Chamber of Heart isn't super easy to use as an in during the pre-expansion (and also so we get rid of a character that can really, really easily explain everything because he has a direct phone line to her).

[Cheezits]

The description of Magni's character from the panel has death flags all over it, incidentally.

He's gonna sacrifice himself to seal Azeroth's soul off so the Chamber of Heart isn't super easy to use as an in during the pre-expansion (and also so we get rid of a character that can really, really easily explain everything because he has a direct phone line to her).

That makes a lot of sense. Or he seals himself away with her.

He's far too OP of a character for this saga.

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

[Vakir]

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

Truly shocking. Truly, truly shocking.

Who could possibly have seen this coming.

It is a true mystery what could happen to Magni.

Yay for Moira getting something to fucking do. I still remember that awkward "Power of Warcraft's Women!!!" panel where they were really stereotypical towards her VA about being Scottish and ignored that she was almost completely fucking irrelevant to BFA and the irony was not lost on them at all.

[Merryck]

That makes a lot of sense. Or he seals himself away with her.

He's far too OP of a character for this saga.

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

He was a good one.

[Cheezits]

Killing Magni is a really good tone indicator for the new saga. Khadgar next, maybe?

[Merryck]

Killing Magni is a really good tone indicator for the new saga. Khadgar next, maybe?

Khadgar SOUNDS like he's on death's door. There's no humour in his voice anymore.

[Vakir]

Character deaths should make sense.

But offing a lot of them would certainly explain the absence of a lot of them.

Again, Jaina, Khadgar, all the dragons, Thalyssra, Turalyon, Velen, etc. should really be bodying a lot of this stuff on top of who we already have, and that's just individuals. To say nothing of actual armies.

[Jastall]

What ever happened with the whole "Scourge will run rampant without a LK"? Was that a lie or are scourge actually running rampant now lol?

Seems we killed most of them during the pre-patch and the Ebon Blade are busy keeping the rest in check.

Which yes, does make the whole "there must always be a Lich King" thing kinda pointless but it was always a silly bit of lore invented either to justify bringing back said Lich King, or because Metzen saw Pirates 3 and stole the idea. Not sure which.

[Vakir]

Seems we killed most of them during the pre-patch and the Ebon Blade are busy keeping the rest in check.

Which yes, does make the whole "there must always be a Lich King" thing kinda pointless but it was always a silly bit of lore invented either to justify bringing back said Lich King, or because Metzen saw Pirates 3 and stole the idea. Not sure which.

Yeah. It was terrible when it was revealed in 2009 and it's still terrible. Everyone on this forum insisted otherwise at that time, jerking off how "perfect" Arthas' terrible story where he became Dr. Claw was, alongside justifying the idiot ball of Saurfang and Muradin, as well as the Alliance/Horde always being the aggressor when you're playing the opposite. And the removal of Ner'zhul. And even more.

Wrath was not nearly as amazing as it is remembered. It continued the decay of the story from Illidan et al. getting villain batted and just lining up WC2 Horde heroes to kill unceremoniously.

[Nize]

I think it could be fun to look at all the specs to theorize what specs would have access to each hero talent spec. Each hero talent (with DH/druid exclusion) is only accessed by 2 specs. Mage is pretty easy to decipher since one spec is called Frostfire thus Frost and Fire spec can access. Sunfury would be the other Fire one and you can deduce that the other spec that can access Sunfury is Arcane. Lastly, Spellslinger by process of elimination would be Frost and Arcane. Any thoughts on the other classes?

[Jastall]

Yeah. It was terrible when it was revealed in 2009 and it's still terrible. Everyone on this forum insisted otherwise at that time, jerking off how "perfect" Arthas' terrible story where he became Dr. Claw was, alongside justifying the idiot ball of Saurfang and Muradin, as well as the Alliance/Horde always being the aggressor when you're playing the opposite. And the removal of Ner'zhul. And even more.

Wrath was not nearly as amazing as it is remembered. It continued the decay of the story from Illidan et al. getting villain batted and just lining up WC2 Horde heroes to kill unceremoniously.

Yeah, the ICC raid was really cool and all but all the story surrounding Arthas in the expansion just wasn't good, due to the things you've mentioned and also all that jazz about some ghost kid being a fragment of his morality or something stupid like that. The sassy asshole that was WC3 Arthas was replaced by a cartoon villain who bumbled all expansion long sending forth one incompetent minion after the next, and their justification for why that was didn't held up to any scrutiny whatsoever. We literally have a huge picnic right in his personal Mordor and his first answer was to send a Monty Python meme at us, like c'mon.

But hey, people like Arthas and the Lich King and he said the things like Frostmourne Hungers so Wrath had the best story ever it seems. At least it wasn't as bad as TBC since that one had little story but a continuous villain batting of cool WC3 NPCs that they had to walk away from later on.

[Well Done Steak]

Wonder if WW and Midnight will be smaller and quicker exp's, while TLT will be you're typical 2 year exp given it being the grand finale.

That would make TLT maybe end in 2028

[Vakir]

I think it could be fun to look at all the specs to theorize what specs would have access to each hero talent spec. Each hero talent (with DH/druid exclusion) is only accessed by 2 specs. Mage is pretty easy to decipher since one spec is called Frostfire thus Frost and Fire spec can access. Sunfury would be the other Fire one and you can deduce that the other spec that can access Sunfury is Arcane. Lastly, Spellslinger by process of elimination would be Frost and Arcane. Any thoughts on the other classes?

My guesses:

DK -
Rider of the Apocalypse - Frost/Unholy
San'layn - Blood/Frost
Deathbringer - Blood/Unholy

Demon Hunter -
Well, uh...

Druid -
Keeper of the Grove - Balance/Resto, confirmed
Elune's Chosen - Balance/Guardian, confirmed
Wildstalker - Feral/Resto
Druid of the Claw - Feral/Guardian

Evoker -
Chronowarden - Aug/Preservation
Ruby Adept - Devastation/Preservation
Scalecommander - Devastation/Aug

Hunter -
Sentinel - Marksman/BM
Pack Leader - BM/Survival
Dark Ranger - Marks/Survival

Mage -
Sunfury - Arcane/Fire
Frostfire - duh
Spellslinger - Frost/Arcane

Monk -
Master of Harmony - Brew/Mist
Shado-Pan - Brew/Wind
Conduit of Celestials - Mist/Wind

Paladin -
Lightsmith - Holy/Prot
Herald of the Sun - Holy/Ret
Templar - Prot/Ret

Priest -
Voidweaver - Shadow/Disc
Oracle - Holy/Shadow
Archon - Holy/Disc

Those last two feel interchangeable, tbh.

Rogue -
Deathstalker - Assassination/Sub
Trickster - Sub/Outlaw
Fatebound - Assassination/Outlaw

Shaman -
Stormbringer - Enh/Ele
Farseer - Enh/Resto
Totemic - Ele/Resto

Warlock -
Soul Harvester - Affliction/Destro
Hellcaller - Demo/Destro
Diabolist - Demo/Affliction

Warrior -
Confirmed all of these

[Merryck]

Is Lightsmith supposed to be Draenei themed? I think it needs a rename to better reflect that.

[Murlocos]

From the Wowhead interview:

Tina Wang: I did want to share that on the art side, we are planning that most if not all of the mounts that currently fly should be able to have dynamic flying by launch. That's our intent.

I'm curious where the cutoff will be. The panels didn't want to commit to more than "hundreds of existing mounts", now it's "most if not all". I'm hoping that if not at all at launch, they add it to the remaining mounts by the end and don't just leave them for dead. I'd hate to leave the TBC gyrocopter behind after using it since 2007.

[Cheezits]

Is Lightsmith supposed to be Draenei themed? I think it needs a rename to better reflect that.

I feel like a LOT of the names are meant to be certain race things, but they gave them shitty names to not make them feel too racially specific. Which is stupid as that is what fans want.

Like Lightsmith is probably a Draenei crystal healing thing. Just call it a Draenei name. They probably will pivot to fanservice names in the end... does anyone remember how shitty the first round of the Legion Class Hall titles were?

[Merryck]

From the Wowhead interview:



I'm curious where the cutoff will be. The panels didn't want to commit to more than "hundreds of existing mounts", now it's "most if not all". I'm hoping that if not at all at launch, they add it to the remaining mounts by the end and don't just leave them for dead. I'd hate to leave the TBC gyrocopter behind after using it since 2007.

I image the mech suits would be difficult to make dynamic flight ready.