The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I think - Yes

imagine if They ( blizzard) gona re-do just an ulduar - with even 20 bosses - ppl gona eat them

WoW: Last Titan - come back to Northrend ("this time to the windtee lands of Northrend")

After DF even a 12 boss raid will have me excited.

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I'm not saying, those archetypes can't/shouldn't exist.

What I am saying is, that those shouldn't be tied to power. "Class skins" like for example a sunwalker, or an elven fire mage who hurls phoenixes instead of fireballs can be something like heritage armor, instead of a talent system.

Sure. But Blizzard doesn't seem interesting in doing that. They ARE interested in doing Hero Talents with some of them being thematic archetypes since we have Dark Rangers added. So I'd rather talk about concepts that actually exist in the game and could be expanded to give me what I want than to imagine completely different concepts that do NOT exist in the game and have never been presented by a dev but are only part of reddit and this forum and the few streamers who farm us for ideas.

[MCMLXXXII]

Still have a tiny sliver of hope they'll revamp/update everything north of the Thandol Span.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Ìf I wanted to feel generous and optimistic I could say that this is the base form of this system so that every spec can have options and then come Midnight (or to be VERY generous, during TWW) they could add more Hero Talents that are more thematic and spec specific.
But I don't want to right now so I really don't expect anything like that.

That... would be fantastic. I hope they keep building on it, but I don't want to get my hopes high either.

I think for Quel'thalas, it will be a continent in its own separate instance which will be completely from scratch and will feature the four obvious zones (Ghostlands, Eversong, Amani area, Silvermon and IQD). You will be able to fly inside its borders but something will just keep you from crossing into the Eastweald and Stratholme Bay (Void Magic!)
For Northrend I am not sure. They could do the entire continent from scratch. They could also visually upgrade it; it is large enough to host a modern expansion.

If they do revamp Northrend entirely... what do you think will happen to ICC? And wouldn't Dragonblight feel a little bit repetitive after Dragonflight?

[Xilurm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...ort=confidence

Is this true? Because that's insane if they do it without motion capture in this day and age.

[MCMLXXXII]

If they do revamp Northrend entirely... what do you think will happen to ICC? And wouldn't Dragonblight feel a little bit repetitive after Dragonflight?

ICC could the expansion's neutral city, ran by the Ebon Blade. Dragonflight could get some updated shrines and there still is a skeleton there a certain person has shown some interest in.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...ort=confidence

Is this true? Because that's insane if they do it without motion capture in this day and age.

That would be truly amazing if true.

[Worldshaper]

I don't think a HD update is out of the picture just yet. Why else do we have updated assets for things like ships, Ironforge guards, the human inn, etc.?

If they do that, I'm not too fussed about a World Revamp or not.

[Nymrohd]

That... would be fantastic. I hope they keep building on it, but I don't want to get my hopes high either.



If they do revamp Northrend entirely... what do you think will happen to ICC? And wouldn't Dragonblight feel a little bit repetitive after Dragonflight?

Nothing? ICC looks brilliant. Maybe touch up the textures but they can keep the structure as it is. Heck it could even be the expansion capital. Dalaran will no longer be there after all and I am not expecting Ulduar to be friendly to us. Bolvar could be our host for the season.

[Raetary]

If they do revamp Northrend entirely... what do you think will happen to ICC? And wouldn't Dragonblight feel a little bit repetitive after Dragonflight?

By the time TLT comes out, we'd have 2 expansions and several years since Dragonflight.

It'd also be just one zone out of several.

[Nymrohd]

I don't think a HD update is out of the picture just yet. Why else do we have updated assets for things like ships, Ironforge guards, the human inn, etc.?

If they do that, I'm not too fussed about a World Revamp or not.

Oh on this I agree. This is what Ion was saying after all, they could do a visual upgrade. Just do what they did to Arathi but to the entire world. We've discussed this with @Marlamin several times, it is entirely possible that much of this could be automated by simply replacing doodads and world objects (e.g. trees and buildings) with visually updated equivalents that are spatially identical. THAT can be done. if you respect the geography of the land, that means that coordinates for existing quests and for mob pathing etc stay the same.
Heck, this enters dream territory but they could fix the zone borders. Most of the zone borders are pristine, they do not have any quests or any mobs interacting with them. You can alter the terrain there without any issue. And then maybe, maybe revamp capitals only.
Then if there is a story they want to say in the old world for a heritage quest or something like the Blue Flight quest, just add a phase.

[vintage79]

After DF even a 12 boss raid will have me excited.

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Sure. But Blizzard doesn't seem interesting in doing that. They ARE interested in doing Hero Talents with some of them being thematic archetypes since we have Dark Rangers added. So I'd rather talk about concepts that actually exist in the game and could be expanded to give me what I want than to imagine completely different concepts that do NOT exist in the game and have never been presented by a dev but are only part of reddit and this forum and the few streamers who farm us for ideas.

Re-imagined / Reworked, BIG, one of the most iconic Raids in history of WoW, with many EPIC Boss fights(12, 15 , 20 even) - some legendary EPIC questline (no some drop-a-shard evoker bullshit) + Reworked Northrend (Windtree, not a snowy-one)

Ppl gona lose it
if smth like this occur
+ many vets will come back (nostalgia hits hard)

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and about Hero specs

I cant even imagine (iconic) orc warrior in 'mountain thane' hero spec (dafuq)

This must be tied to existing lore and class
Alliance/Horde

(A) Hunter -> Sentinel
(H) Warrior -> Blademaster
(A) Warrior -> Mountain Thane
(A/H) Paladins -> Crusader / Templar
(A/H?) Priest -> Inquisitor

and so on..



Blizz came up with names for the hero class a long time ago - they just need to collect them and put them in the right place.

[Jekyll]

Most of these are significantly worse.

inquisitor IMHO sounds like a Priest hero not a Paladin

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Re-imagined / Reworked, BIG, one of the most iconic Raids in history of WoW, with many EPIC Boss fights(12, 15 , 20 even) - some legendary EPIC questline (no some drop-a-shard evoker bullshit) + Reworked Northrend (Windtree, not a snowy-one)

Ppl gona lose it
if smth like this occur
+ many vets will come back (nostalgia hits hard)

***
and about Hero specs

I cant even imagine (iconic) orc warrior in 'mountain thane' hero spec (dafuq)

This must be tied to existing lore and class
Alliance/Horde

(A) Hunter -> Sentinel
(H) Warrior -> Blademaster
(A) Warrior -> Mountain Thane
(A/H) Paladins -> Crusader /
(A/H?) Priest -> Inquisitor

and so on..



Blizz came up with names for the hero class a long time ago - they just need to collect them and put them in the right place.

the names are not set in stone. There is time to suggest these during Warthin beta, imho.

[Nymrohd]

inquisitor IMHO sounds like a Priest hero not a Paladin

Very much so, why would an inquisitor be in the middle of combat. They are in the back torturing people.

[Worldshaper]

Oh on this I agree. This is what Ion was saying after all, they could do a visual upgrade. Just do what they did to Arathi but to the entire world. We've discussed this with @Marlamin several times, it is entirely possible that much of this could be automated by simply replacing doodads and world objects (e.g. trees and buildings) with visually updated equivalents that are spatially identical. THAT can be done.
Then if there is a story they want to say in the old world for a heritage quest or something like the Blue Flight quest, just add a phase.

Yes, for sure.

A world revamp, or rather what it entails: a modern version of traditional Azeroth, would be a dream. But given how they've presented this Worldsoul Saga to us, it's possible they'd rather just give us a new game 3 - 6 years from now, set on Azeroth. WoW might at that point become more of a legacy title with ongoing DLCs for people who want to hang around.

[Nymrohd]

Re-imagined / Reworked, BIG, one of the most iconic Raids in history of WoW, with many EPIC Boss fights(12, 15 , 20 even) - some legendary EPIC questline (no some drop-a-shard evoker bullshit) + Reworked Northrend (Windtree, not a snowy-one)

Ppl gona lose it
if smth like this occur
+ many vets will come back (nostalgia hits hard)

I could see Ulduar coming back as a raid but seriously altered; you could join it to the Halls of Valor.

[MCMLXXXII]

Ulduar doesn't necessarily has to come back as a raid, it might as well be a zone.

[Nymrohd]

Yes, for sure.

A world revamp, or rather what it entails: a modern version of traditional Azeroth, would be a dream. But given how they've presented this Worldsoul Saga to us, it's possible they'd rather just give us a new game 3 - 6 years from now, set on Azeroth. WoW might at that point become more of a legacy title with ongoing DLCs for people who want to hang around.

That is suicide. I am fairly certain that a lot of people are just playing WoW by habit because of how much time they've sunk in the game. We have massive mog collections, multiple alts and so much history in this game. Unless you somehow translate all my collections and bring my main into this new game, I am not sure I'd invest in it.

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Ulduar doesn't necessarily has to come back as a raid, it might as well be a zone.

True but I do think they are setting up a confrontation with the Pantheon and where would that happen if not in Ulduar?

[Lady Atia]

Oh on this I agree. This is what Ion was saying after all, they could do a visual upgrade. Just do what they did to Arathi but to the entire world. We've discussed this with @Marlamin several times, it is entirely possible that much of this could be automated by simply replacing doodads and world objects (e.g. trees and buildings) with visually updated equivalents that are spatially identical. THAT can be done. if you respect the geography of the land, that means that coordinates for existing quests and for mob pathing etc stay the same.
Heck, this enters dream territory but they could fix the zone borders. Most of the zone borders are pristine, they do not have any quests or any mobs interacting with them. You can alter the terrain there without any issue. And then maybe, maybe revamp capitals only.
Then if there is a story they want to say in the old world for a heritage quest or something like the Blue Flight quest, just add a phase.

And Blizzard knows this, otherwise they wouldn't bother with more accountwide stuff, altfriendlyness and the warband feature. Really, people should stop the fearmongering when Metzen literally said the World Soul Saga is the start of the next 20 years of WoW.

[MCMLXXXII]

That is suicide. I am fairly certain that a lot of people are just playing WoW by habit because of how much time they've sunk in the game. We have massive mog collections, multiple alts and so much history in this game. Unless you somehow translate all my collections and bring my main into this new game, I am not sure I'd invest in it.

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True but I do think they are setting up a confrontation with the Pantheon and where would that happen if not in Ulduar?

A new raid maybe? Entered through Algalon's room. Some sort of Titan palace in a place between space and time. Just speculating.

[huth]

Seeing how we are gonna lose in Midnight, a Northrend "Upheaval" like in Tears of the Kingdom would be cool. Just have Ulduar come out of the ground, wrecking and changing the landscape of Northrend in the process.

For some reason, i can't help but think of Odyn taking Ulduar for a joyride when reading this. And then challenging you to a race.

[Makorus]

For some reason, i can't help but think of Odyn taking Ulduar for a joyride when reading this. And then challenging you to a race.

Honestly, Ulduar turning into a giant airship for Odyn would be incredibly funny.