The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Am I the only one to think that the fact they added all these dragonriding races to the old world pretty much confirms a world revamp is dead at this point? Why would they bother implementing such a cool feature and awesome races for them to become irrelevant next expansion if they revamp the old world?

You know I'd love it but I have zero expectations of a proper world revamp with a newly crafted world. I do however think that a world UPDATE is possible. They have created buildings that can be batched into the game to replace the old ones; it is entirely possible the same holds true for other major objects like trees. What needs to be done by hand is still important; applying new textures and placing doodads (though they have clusters built to speed the process). And beyond that, not a single race so far crosses zone borders. The ones in Kalimdor also weirdly all seem very specific to a single zone (and I say weird because most of those zones are so small so I wonder how much of a race you can get there). That would mean zone borders would likely stay (which is sad, I would so much prefer merging zones and eliminating certain borders) but they can do that much faster now by using premade blocks of cliffs.

[Wangming]

Well, this patch update certainly confirmed a whole bunch of stuff we have been speculating. Poor demon hunter is back to being the only class with just two specs.

[Nymrohd]

Well, this patch update certainly confirmed a whole bunch of stuff we have been speculating. Poor demon hunter is back to being the only class with just two specs.

Honestly adding a support style spec tells me that they plan to add more specs. Most likely in 11.0, possibly even earlier. If Augmentation is a success (and having played it a bit and read through the abilities thoroughly I think it very much can work, though playing optimally in a raid will be very challenging) then they can't just have 1 support spec in the entire game. Either they are adding (e.g. Bard spec for rogues) or they are converting (e.g. Enchancement to support)

[Revamp Man]

If we face iridikron from the past there's no way we are fighting current iridikron until like 11.0

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Honestly adding a support style spec tells me that they plan to add more specs. Most likely in 11.0, possibly even earlier. If Augmentation is a success (and having played it a bit and read through the abilities thoroughly I think it very much can work, though playing optimally in a raid will be very challenging) then they can't just have 1 support spec in the entire game. Either they are adding (e.g. Bard spec for rogues) or they are converting (e.g. Enchancement to support)

Split MW to
Serpent: pure healing
Crane: dps spreading buffs

[Raetary]

Looks like they accidentally spoiled who the black aspect is via Augmentation icons.
https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...dp4CzWg6g&s=19

[Nymrohd]

Looks like they accidentally spoiled who the black aspect is via Augmentation icons.
https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...dp4CzWg6g&s=19

Yikes. Slow cow wins the race? I guess Aspects had to fit their racial diversity quota!

[Super Dickmann]

Looks like they accidentally spoiled who the black aspect is via Augmentation icons.
https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...dp4CzWg6g&s=19

Not great, not terrible.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Looks like they accidentally spoiled who the black aspect is via Augmentation icons.
https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...dp4CzWg6g&s=19

I 100% support this choice, if it is indeed what's going to happen!

Yikes. Slow cow wins the race? I guess Aspects had to fit their racial diversity quota!

Can I ask who would have been better in your opinion? Emberthal has been parachuted out of nowhere, Sabellian and Wrathion are as entitled and immature as one can be... I see no alternative?

[Raetary]

Not great, not terrible.

Perfectly mediocre, as all things should be.

[Nymrohd]

Can I ask who would have been better in your opinion? Emberthal has been parachuted out of nowhere, Sabellian and Wrathion are as entitled and immature as one can be... I see no alternative?

No aspects. Democratize power. The Aspects were objectively a failure. Why should so much power be concentrated on one person? Keep an Aspect as a leader of the flight but spread the power around to the entire flight, empowering them all (and perhaps that way fixing their sterility?)

[Fahrad Wagner]

No aspects. Democratize power. The Aspects were objectively a failure. Why should so much power be concentrated on one person? Keep an Aspect as a leader of the flight but spread the power around to the entire flight, empowering them all (and perhaps that way fixing their sterility?)

But then what of all the whole narrative of the expansion to reinstaure the Aspects power? That would have been all for nothing? Should the same thing happened to other flights as well? I get your point, it it was shared with other dragons, it would make sense.

I was lowkey hoping for a triumvirat with Ebyssian, Sabellian and Wrathion sharing the power, but I couldn't imagine it would last forever either

[Nymrohd]

But then what of all the whole narrative of the expansion to reinstaure the Aspects power? That would have been all for nothing? Should the same thing happened to other flights as well? I get your point, it it was shared with other dragons, it would make sense.

I was lowkey hoping for a triumvirat with Ebyssian, Sabellian and Wrathion sharing the power, but I couldn't imagine it would last forever either

All the story about reinstating the Aspects is because they are needed to defeat the Primals. But . . . are they? We got Raszageth down and none of them showed up. Maybe Kalecgos fought in canon but again, that's a maybe. Tyr is going to wake up and find that of the five people he chose, two went mad and tried to destroy the world (and Neltharion got real close) before being killed, another got corrupted pretty easily and had to be put down, the fourth is predetermined to go against his duty in the future (and corrupt Tyr himself). So . .. maybe he needs to try it a different way. It's very much a classic "The Aspect power we sought was the friends we made along the way"

[Santandame]

Seeing how we don’t fight Murozond in the mega dungeon and instead fight Iridikron, then I’m going to pivot and go back to my original prediction that next expansion will indeed be Ancient Kalimdor, with Murozond being the final boss of this expansion and the lead in to getting us to an Ancient Kalimdor expansion.

Iridikron I imagine is another set up to be an overarching villain spanning several expansions and stories of Warcraft, similar to what they’re doing with Azshara, Denathrius and Xal’atath.

The mega dungeon focusing mostly on past Eastern Kingdoms as opposed to past Kalimdor based segments seems quite telling. Also, I may be looking into this too much but the Kalimdor Grand Prix seems indicative of something. Having us spend some time in the current Kalimdor seems like it could be a precursor to something new regarding the continent at some point.

Predictions are as it stands:

The Dream sees an all out invasion by both the Primalists, decay forces and Murozond with the infinites. Murozond wishes to access the original blueprints of Azeroth to remake Azeroth into a world of his own desire by going back to a fresh slate of “where it all began” so to speak. Iridikron wishes to continue his path of devouring more essences and cosmic powers. He devours Gakakrond’s essence in the dungeon, absorbing his decay. He now wants to devour the essence of the Dream and absorb the power of life. Vyranoth realises he’s gone too far and defects over to the side of the heroes. Fyrakk’s exposure to shadow flame continues to drive him mad and mimics Deathwings descent into the void and madness.

Status of the Primal Aspects after DF:

Iridikron - overarching villain who wishes to devour the essence of all the cosmic forces. Will likely have the power of Decay and Life after Dragonflighg is over. Could be our link to future cosmic expansions as he looks to devour the Light, Order, Fel and Void cosmic powers.

Fyrakk - links with the void and Old Gods. Could end up being a lieutenant of Xal’atath in a void focused expansion.

Vyranoth - could go either way. Could become a new ally of the aspects and heroes. Could end up leading what remains of the Primalists as she genuinely does believe in the Primalists vision.

I do genuinely see an Ancient Kalimdor expansion coming. Azshara would likely be the main antagonist here and we see a pre-sundered Kalimdor with Zin-Ashari in all its glory. Xal’atath, the Black Empire and Fyrakk could also play a part. Azshara could be trying to prevent the War of the Ancients to stop the downfall of her Empire.

Going off what we’ve learned in Dragonflight, as well as previous expansions this leaves us with a potential list of upcoming expansion storylines and focus:

Avaloren
South Seas (Undermine, Plunder Isle, Hiji, Ogrezonia)
Tel’abim
Admiral Nightsquall
Khaz Algar/Underground Azeroth
Yrel and the Lightbound
Void
Denathrius and the Nathrezim
Iridikron and his quest for ultimate power over the cosmic powers.

The future is looking bright.

[Scyth]

If we face iridikron from the past there's no way we are fighting current iridikron until like 11.0

I thought that was current Iridikron, given he is already empowered by Earth. Might be wrong though.
I do also think that this means we won't fight him again this xpac.

Never done a mega-dungeon before, hopefully my casual ass can get into one as this one looks interesting.

[Varodoc]

Unsurprisingly, Iridrikon is an ally of Murozond and Galakrond and is just yet another puppet of the Old Gods. Just as I predicted.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Well, this patch update certainly confirmed a whole bunch of stuff we have been speculating. Poor demon hunter is back to being the only class with just two specs.

I hope they fix that in the future...

[Nymrohd]

Btw is one of the three drakes we fight in the Blight of Galakrond encounter Alex and Ysera's brother?

[Fahrad Wagner]

All the story about reinstating the Aspects is because they are needed to defeat the Primals. But . . . are they? We got Raszageth down and none of them showed up. Maybe Kalecgos fought in canon but again, that's a maybe. Tyr is going to wake up and find that of the five people he chose, two went mad and tried to destroy the world (and Neltharion got real close) before being killed, another got corrupted pretty easily and had to be put down, the fourth is predetermined to go against his duty in the future (and corrupt Tyr himself). So . .. maybe he needs to try it a different way. It's very much a classic "The Aspect power we sought was the friends we made along the way"

Fair point indeed!

[Nymrohd]

Fair point indeed!

I just want Odyn to meet Tyr simply so grandpa firebeard can go "I told you so"

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Sabellian and Wrathion are as entitled and immature as one can be... I see no alternative?

The main issue is that their entitlement and immaturity, although present, was exaggerated to a remarkably intense degree through most of Dragonflight and especially throughout 10.1. Ebyssian has done nothing to really earn the position other than be portrayed normally among two others whose flaws were exaggerated beyond the threshold of what is reasonable.