The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

I wonder if Avaloren is a setting for 13.0, The Last Titan?

It would make sense if Odyn's expeditions sailed north, since he was based in Ulduar and Ulduar was in the northern part of Ancient Kalimdor (before it turned into Northrend). So there should be some proximity between Northrend and Avaloren.

On top of that, I fail to see how Northrend alone could work for an entire expansion. Since they're not revamping EK and KA, I doubt they'll revamp Northrend. They could give it a new paint job, but if that type of lightweight revamp wasn't enough for Battle for Azeroth I don't see why it would be for The Last Titan. So new zones are probably needed.

Then again, would it make sense to introduce an entire side of the planet for just a single expansion pack?

Avaloren could be something for 14.0 and onward, but that also feels strange. Odyn's report on Avaloren suggests it has titanforged on it, and perhaps even Keepers. If we're sort of settling our affairs with the Titans and their story in The Last Titans, wouldn't it be weird to start over and turn a page by... giving us even more Titan lore on the other side of Azeroth?

[Cheezits]

Watch the Arathi settlement that the Hallowsfall Arathi came from actually be Plunder Isle in modern day. Its located pretty close by and would be a very funny twist (wtf happened to you guys??)

[micwini]

I wonder if Avaloren is a setting for 13.0, The Last Titan?

It would make sense if Odyn's expeditions sailed north, since he was based in Ulduar and Ulduar was in the northern part of Ancient Kalimdor (before it turned into Northrend). So there should be some proximity between Northrend and Avaloren.

On top of that, I fail to see how Northrend alone could work for an entire expansion. Since they're not revamping EK and KA, I doubt they'll revamp Northrend. They could give it a new paint job, but if that type of lightweight revamp wasn't enough for Battle for Azeroth I don't see why it would be for The Last Titan. So new zones are probably needed.

Then again, would it make sense to introduce an entire side of the planet for just a single expansion pack?

Avaloren could be something for 14.0 and onward, but that also feels strange. Odyn's report on Avaloren suggests it has titanforged on it, and perhaps even Keepers. If we're sort of settling our affairs with the Titans and their story in The Last Titans, wouldn't it be weird to start over and turn a page by... giving us even more Titan lore on the other side of Azeroth?

The setting for 13.0 is revamped Northrend

[vintage79]

this is gold

[Nibelheimy]

I have to say yet again that even after Metzen saying there will be spoilers, then saying things are likely going to spiral out of control in Midnight, leading to the final Titan. There's a very high chance from what we know the void isn't going to be done with in midnight. We don't beat the void, then ask the titans for help? Ulduar as a home base for the expansion would be a great idea.

I personally hope we summon the Titans, Iridikron actually kills them all somehow (or at least Aman'Thul (what an expansion cinematic that would be) then Thanos's out in his lair in Northrend just sitting in a chair all happy he did his goal. The Final Titan then can be about waking up the last one to be awake, or the actual last living Titan.

The third expacs whole story is hedging on whether we summon the titans at the start, or the end of it.

[Reive]

it's clear that a big reset/update is going to happen after the last titan. either a wow 2 or an engine update

[Ersula]

A 6 month S3 and a Fated Raid season that goes through each raid 5 times plus a 2 week prepatch would mean that TWW releases in Early September which is Fall. Nothing doom and gloom about that. heck S3 could be a bit longer and the Fated season shorter.

Fated was excused because of Covid, but we shouldn't let this be the new normal. This means Shadowlands had 32 raid encounters total but Dragonflight only has 27?? If they really want to give us a fated raid 30 should be the bare minium in terms of raid content. There's no reason there's less overall dragonflight content than the covid expansion.

[Worldshaper]

The setting for 13.0 is revamped Northrend

Do we know it is revamped? I know we're going back to Northrend but I haven't anything about it being revamped.

[Makabreska]

The setting for 13.0 is revamped Northrend

Do we know it is revamped? I know we're going back to Northrend but I haven't anything about it being revamped.

The only thing we know is that we go to Ulduar at some point (probably start of expansion). Rest are speculations.

[Nymrohd]

Do we know it is revamped? I know we're going back to Northrend but I haven't anything about it being revamped.

I mean you think they will have us spent two years in Northrend with 15+ year old graphics?

[Ersula]

The only thing we know is that we go to Ulduar at some point (probably start of expansion). Rest are speculations.

Metzen said Northrend. In fact that's literally all the information we have about 13.0: Northrend.

The three expansion storyline concept is wild because they can barely handle a one-expansion storyline. It's extremely FFXIV vibe, but unlike WoW players FFXIV players enjoy being edged for years at a time.

[Houle]

The obvious answer is a giant Naaru core of some kind. Maybe whatever is beyond even Prime Naaru. It's a giant crystal of Light, that seems to be undergoing a similar process to what happens to Naaru when they die and turn into Void.

I had the idea that maybe the Naaru and their life-cycle are actually a small-scale representation of their bigger masters, Light Lords/ Void Lords. A Naaru is a being of light, but it can eventually fall to darkness and become a Void being.
What if the "Light Lords" and the Void Lords are just like that, but on a larger scale. A Light Lord can fall to the Void, and become a Void Lord - and the other way around as well. It would tie in with the idea that Light and Void cant exist without the other, because their masters are in fact one and the same kind of beings. And it would also fit with Xal saying that the Void doesnt see the Light and Naaru as enemies, but as "beloved brethren, who lost their path".

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Just some random thoughts/questions I want to get off my brain:

1.) I really like the focus on the Titans and the Light/Void conflict. Using Azeroth’s world-soul as the catalyst feels right after it was set up in “Legion”

2.) How the characters of Azeroth can’t put 1 and 2 together to figure out this “Radiant Song” is the world-soul is… quite silly.

3.) Wasn’t the Void posed to be the primary antagonist of the entire WoW universe? Seems odd that we’re going to deal with it (“banish the Shadow forever”) in the penultimate expansion and not the final expansion of this saga… unless “The Last Titan” will have Sargeras. Still… doesn’t feel right, but I will reserve my judgements until it actually comes out.

[Hitei]

Metzen said Northrend. In fact that's literally all the information we have about 13.0: Northrend.

He didn't say "13.0 is all of Northrend" he said we're going back to Northrend and Ulduar.

For all we know the expansion could start at Ulduar and take place out in open space in a last war between the six forces.

[Zaganite]

Metzen already said that the main Protagonist forces of the expansion are the Elves and the Light.

Wonder if this is when we will finally get paladin NEs and for other races as well. I know they'll do it for all but for NEs it's about time

[Ersula]

He didn't say "13.0 is all of Northrend" he said we're going back to Northrend and Ulduar.

For all we know the expansion could start at Ulduar and take place out in open space in a last war between the six forces.

Then by your logic nobody should expect 12.0 to be set in Quel'thalas. "That's just the starting point."

Metzen already said that the main Protagonist forces of the expansion are the Elves and the Light.

The giant Naaru artifact that randomly shifts between emitting a huge amount of light energy to a huge amount of void energy supports my theory that they're basically the same thing.

[KurtMash]

I wouldn't be surprised if the arrival of the Titans destroyed parts of Northrend, just so they don't have to redo all of the zones.

[Makabreska]

Then by your logic nobody should expect 12.0 to be set in Quel'thalas. "That's just the starting point."

Not really, when it was explicitly stated that Void army targets this place.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the arrival of the Titans destroyed parts of Northrend, just so they don't have to redo all of the zones.

I think this is finally a moment when we will get at odds with Titans.

[Hitei]

Then by your logic nobody should expect 12.0 to be set in Quel'thalas. "That's just the starting point."

Yes. Absolutely. I don't know why you'd think it would be anything but the starting point.

Quel'thalas is two very small zones that fall short of even constituting a modern zone when put together. You can screenshot this post right now, Quel'thalas will be one zone in 12.0, that leads into to other, brand new zones, much like Isle of Dorn in 11.0 is a gateway into the actual "within" part the expansion is about. I have very few doubts that the first thing we'll do is push the void forces back to the portal and then go through it and the other three zones will probably be K'aresh or some other void staging ground for invasion.

[Varodoc]

I have to say yet again that even after Metzen saying there will be spoilers, then saying things are likely going to spiral out of control in Midnight, leading to the final Titan. There's a very high chance from what we know the void isn't going to be done with in midnight. We don't beat the void, then ask the titans for help? Ulduar as a home base for the expansion would be a great idea.

I personally hope we summon the Titans, Iridikron actually kills them all somehow (or at least Aman'Thul (what an expansion cinematic that would be) then Thanos's out in his lair in Northrend just sitting in a chair all happy he did his goal. The Final Titan then can be about waking up the last one to be awake, or the actual last living Titan.

The third expacs whole story is hedging on whether we summon the titans at the start, or the end of it.

It feels like Midnight will be the conclusion of at least the major storyline of the Void, that being the Void's push to seize Azeroth. Metzen explicitly said that the objective of Midnight is to "banish the darkness forever". So, it definitely feels like the Void will be neutralized as a threat in Midnight. I obviously don't expect the Void Lords to be destroyed Kerrigan-style, but they will be banished permanently into the Void and will never again be able to threaten the physical universe (until Blizzard runs out of new threats to asspull anyway for what comes after the ending Saga).

But I would certainly expect to see some form of Yogg-Saron and N'Zoth (in the Blade) in 13.0.

Having the final expansion of the "first story part" of WoW not contain any Old God presence just feels wrong. The Old Gods have been with WoW since the very beginning with C'Thun.

But aside from Old God cameos in Spirit form (Yogg-Saron because of Ulduar, N'Zoth because of the Blade), I can't imagine the Void will still be a major player in the final expansion. Their invasion will be foiled in Midnight.