The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[PenguinChan]

I don't really see anything happening with Gilneas other than a some NPCs finally being sprinkled around and maybe a FP.

Still its got an awesome atmosphere and music so its still a win in my book.

It could be a level-scaled event that fresh Worgen can participate in after they finish the intro zone. Wouldn't be the most jarring of things, considering they were forced to abandon it due to the plague.

[Ersula]

Like 60% of them don't fit the main class kit.

Lol Hunter ability visuals have never been consistent with "class kit" whatever that means. Class Identity is so boring. That's why I prefer DnD were they've devised 100 different flavors & lore for each class.

[Hitei]

Lol Hunter ability visuals have never been consistent with "class kit" whatever that means. Class Identity is so boring. That's why I prefer DnD were they've devised 100 different flavors & lore for each class.

"A strange visual doesn't look as out of place on the single class out of 13, whose identity has always been using a wide mix of things"

Putting aside that your argument here misses the mark because varied visuals is consistent for Hunter, not looking out of place on hunters doesn't change how completely off some of the other effects are. It makes no sense for mages to be using starry blue plant magic (which warlocks and rogues also use), or shamans to be using weird dark necromantic energy that has nothing to do with the elements. Warriors having a singular angelic magic spear attack is totally out of place, as is priests singular blood magic ability, even if the mental aspect is in line with their kit theme.

[Ersula]

"A strange visual doesn't look as out of place on the single class out of 13, whose identity has always been using a wide mix of things"

Putting aside that your argument here misses the mark because varied visuals is consistent for Hunter, not looking out of place on hunters doesn't change how completely off some of the other effects are. It makes no sense for mages to be using starry blue plant magic (which warlocks and rogues also use), or shamans to be using weird dark necromantic energy that has nothing to do with the elements. Warriors having a singular angelic magic spear attack is totally out of place, as is priests singular blood magic ability, even if the mental aspect is in line with their kit theme.

"Priests singular blood magic ability" Vampyric Embrace & San'layn

Besides that I like the magic types they introduced in shadowlands, this "class kit" argument has always been ridiculous coming from wow: The latest raid is full of Priestesses in combo cloth/leather uniforms carrying bows. The Player classes have always been pretty detached from actual lore character classes.

[Hitei]

"Priests singular blood magic ability" Vampyric Embrace & San'layn

Besides that I like the magic types they introduced in shadowlands, this "class kit" argument has always been ridiculous coming from wow: The latest raid is full of Priestesses in combo cloth/leather uniforms carrying bows. The Player classes have always been pretty detached from actual lore character classes.

San'layn is a passive talent sourced from shadow magic (necromantic). Vampiric embrace is a shadow ability:


That is the point, to do what mindgames did:


To turn stuff that makes no sense with the visual kit (shadow priests using one blood magic spell for seemingly no reason) into something that does. Because it makes more sense for Primordial Wave to be a swirling, multi-elemental spell similar to Elemental Blast and Adaptive Swarm to be a cloud of healing moths than both to be Maldraxxi death magic.

I also like the anima magic types. They just make no sense at all on most of the classes outside of the context of being lent power from the covenant you joined.

[Merryck]

Now make the Shadow Priest Power Word: Shield purple.

[Ersula]

San'layn is a passive talent sourced from shadow magic (necromantic). Vampiric embrace is a shadow ability:

Blood spells are also shadow spells. Blood damage is shadow damage. In any other game saying a school of magic all have to be the same color would be ridiculous.

[Vakir]

JFC, Ersula, why is it so hard to accept that they SHOULD make it possible to have different spell types via glyph but that the default should be more thematically consistent?

With MAYBE one example contrary to it?

No one is against variety.

[Raetary]

It does make me happy to see that at least they are populating the tree.

[Hitei]

Blood spells are also shadow spells. Blood damage is shadow damage. In any other game saying a school of magic all have to be the same color would be ridiculous.

In most media, schools of magic vary by color. As soon as you see green fire in a game, movie or comic, you immediately know that you're probably no longer dealing with just regular fire and fire magic. It's now some sort of evil fire magic, or enchanted fire, or some other combination of schools, or there's necromancy going on.

Blood spells are blood spells.

Really not that hard to understand. None of priest's kit involves doing blood magic. They had a purple shadow spell that is named 'vampiric', and they had a talent related to stealing health that references vampiric undead elves. So when they moved forward from SL, the bright red Venthyr blood magic ability that only made sense for that time and place was changed to purply shadow magic to better fit with the class, because it had nothing to do with the class and everything to do with Venthyr.

They are just doing the same to other spells that are distinctly SL covenant rather than anything to do with a class.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Woo, will always be happy at them getting rid of shaodwlands trash.

[Alanar]

I would love a more vampiric aproach for priest. Glyphs would be just fine. Options.

[Nymrohd]

I would love a more vampiric aproach for priest. Glyphs would be just fine. Options.

Honestly the fact that shadow has become completely an old god cultist does not sit well with me

[Nymrohd]

I don't think Amirdrassil as the new home for the Night Elves will ever feel right for me.

The least they should do is have a portal to Kalimdor, and then a bunch of NPCs spread out across the forests of Kalimdor.

Scouts, watchers, elite sentinels keeping the ancient forests in check and making sure nobody else claims them.

You know, just a small thing to set the stage for future content that's way off. Not ongoing story updates or anything, just to not close the door on Kalimdor.

Maybe Shandris or somebody else remains super committed, leading the "Shadowleaves" in their campaign in Kalimdor.

For me the thematically appropriate always was to have them build on Hyjal, protected and protecting Nordrassil and together with the Ancients, maybe with an open air temple to Elune next to the well beneath Nordrassil.

[Chickat]

I don't think Amirdrassil as the new home for the Night Elves will ever feel right for me.

The least they should do is have a portal to Kalimdor, and then a bunch of NPCs spread out across the forests of Kalimdor.

Scouts, watchers, elite sentinels keeping the ancient forests in check and making sure nobody else claims them.

You know, just a small thing to set the stage for future content that's way off. Not ongoing story updates or anything, just to not close the door on Kalimdor.

Maybe Shandris or somebody else remains super committed, leading the "Shadowleaves" in their campaign in Kalimdor.

Im sure the orcs said the same thing about leaving Draenor. Times change.

[SunspotAnims]

I don't think Amirdrassil as the new home for the Night Elves will ever feel right for me.

The least they should do is have a portal to Kalimdor, and then a bunch of NPCs spread out across the forests of Kalimdor.

Scouts, watchers, elite sentinels keeping the ancient forests in check and making sure nobody else claims them.

You know, just a small thing to set the stage for future content that's way off. Not ongoing story updates or anything, just to not close the door on Kalimdor.

Maybe Shandris or somebody else remains super committed, leading the "Shadowleaves" in their campaign in Kalimdor.

Part of me wonders if Midnight will also include a revamp to Night Elven zones in Kalimdor alongside Quel'thalas. Though Metzen mentioned only Quel'thalas by name, he did specifically say that a focus of that expansion was to unite all elven tribes. Certainly that means Night Elves will play a major role, but will their lands also have a major presence?

[Jaggler]

Part of me wonders if Midnight will also include a revamp to Night Elven zones in Kalimdor alongside Quel'thalas. Though Metzen mentioned only Quel'thalas by name, he did specifically say that a focus of that expansion was to unite all elven tribes. Certainly that means Night Elves will play a major role, but will their lands also have a major presence?

For the love of god, please no.
I am so sick of Nelves already.

[Merryck]

For the love of god, please no.
I am so sick of Nelves already.

The focus should be on Draenei, the master race. It's the Light vs Void expansion. Elves should be shelved.

[Jaggler]

The focus should be on Draenei, the master race. It's the Light vs Void expansion. Elves should be shelved.

I would rather have that than the alternative.

Would be great to have some crumb of Horde content again. Just a small morsel Mr. Blizzard pls.

[Merryck]

I would rather have that than the alternative.

Would be great to have some crumb of Horde content again. Just a small morsel Mr. Blizzard pls.

You haven't realised it. This is an Alliance game now. Blizzard will throw you a bone in Midnight, your pesky Blood Elves will get some content, but just know that the Alliance is the star of this grand narrative.