The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[PotHockets]

Metzen quote can mean either option, really. We wont know for sure for years.

Yeah exactly. The only thing we know for sure is that we go to Ulduar and the Titans return. We have no idea what the state of Azeroth is going to be post TWW/Midnight. It's most likely going to be a revamped Northrend but everytime something seems obvious Blizzard hits us with the uno reverse.

[Hitei]

No need, they already told us you're wrong and Quel'Thalas will get expanded.

Would love to see a source on that, since when asked directly if it would be expanded devs said they didn't want to comment on it yet, and they also responded to a question about updating the relevant zones with comparing them to Darkshore. They used the word "glowup".

I don't think you people understand that Eversong + Ghostlands + ZA + SMC are TOGETHER about as big as Howling Fjord. They don't constitute an expansion. They need to be expanded to even be a decent sized modern zone. They're not gonna remake the region at 500-600% scale, which is what would be required to set an entire expansion there.

It's gonna be one zone out of several.

[Worldshaper]

I wonder if Xal'atath will be the main antagonist for the entire Worldsoul Saga, or just The War Within?

We do still need to deal with Queen Azshara, and truth be told, I think she is a more dangerous villain than Xal'atath.

Xal'atath may or may not be a former 5th Old God or whatever. But right now, all we know is that she's a scheming agent of the Void, and its Harbinger.

Based on 'A Song of the Depths', Queen Azshara now seems even more powerful than that. In fact, she might even be the one who Xal'atath is "harbinging".

Perhaps Xal'atath is successful in ushering in the Void in War Within, which results in Midnight where Queen Azshara has returned to rule, before finally we get to the bottom of the Titans and the true nature of the Worldsoul in The Last Titan?

Queen Azshara is meant to return to rule the sky, land and sea once the Harbinger has taken Galakronds essence, taken the Dark Heart, and finally carried out the Awakening.

The Light crystal in Hallowfall is increasingly turning to darkness in recent years. Perhaps it shifts sides every few hundred years or so, going from Light to Shadow and back again? Anyway, now that it'll be a powerful Void thingie, I'm sure the Harbinger will use it to awaken the Worldsoul, and that's when Azshara returns in Midnight.

[Nymrohd]

They haven't been very good in recent years. But perhaps with Metzen back, they'll improve? I do like having them.

The best ones were from BfA.

[PotHockets]

I wonder if Xal'atath will be the main antagonist for the entire Worldsoul Saga, or just The War Within?

We do still need to deal with Queen Azshara, and truth be told, I think she is a more dangerous villain than Xal'atath.

Xal'atath may or may not be a former 5th Old God or whatever. But right now, all we know is that she's a scheming agent of the Void, and its Harbinger.

Based on 'A Song of the Depths', Queen Azshara now seems even more powerful than that. In fact, she might even be the one who Xal'atath is "harbinging".

Perhaps Xal'atath is successful in ushering in the Void in War Within, which results in Midnight where Queen Azshara has returned to rule, before finally we get to the bottom of the Titans and the true nature of the Worldsoul in The Last Titan?

It would make sense if Midnight is an Elf focused expansion for the final boss to be Azshara. She's basically the root cause of all of the different elves problems and them coming together and putting aside their differences to finally take her down would be pretty hype.

[Cheezits]

I wonder if Xal'atath will be the main antagonist for the entire Worldsoul Saga, or just The War Within?

I think Xal will lose in TWW so that Alleria has to "take her place" as the Harbinger so to speak. As has been mentioned, Azshara makes way too much sense to be the final boss of an Elf expansion (Midnight) and Iridikron is lurking until 13.0 most likely. And at that point, the Titans will probably become antagonists, or a group of them.

[Worldshaper]

The best ones were from BfA.

Burdens of Shaohao remains my favourite, but Warlords and Warbringers were both amazing as well. I did like the Uther one from before Shadowlands, but all the rest have been pretty meh.

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It would make sense if Midnight is an Elf focused expansion for the final boss to be Azshara. She's basically the root cause of all of the different elves problems and them coming together and putting aside their differences to finally take her down would be pretty hype.

Agree with this.

I think Xal will lose in TWW so that Alleria has to "take her place" as the Harbinger so to speak. As has been mentioned, Azshara makes way too much sense to be the final boss of an Elf expansion (Midnight) and Iridikron is lurking until 13.0 most likely. And at that point, the Titans will probably become antagonists, or a group of them.

Interesting theory about Alleria. I think it'd be cool, but I also don't want to lose her like we did Sylvanas. What's next, we lose Vereesa to Disorder?

[Gurahk]

Btw, did anyone ask whether we are getting another set of animated shorts?

I know they have become a tradition, but at this point who knows what they intend to do going forward for marketing.

I completely forgot about the DF ones, they're a complete blank in my memory.
If I'd guess we'll get one of Thrall, Anduin, Alleria and maybe Magni.

[Varodoc]

I think Xal will lose in TWW so that Alleria has to "take her place" as the Harbinger so to speak. As has been mentioned, Azshara makes way too much sense to be the final boss of an Elf expansion (Midnight) and Iridikron is lurking until 13.0 most likely. And at that point, the Titans will probably become antagonists, or a group of them.

Unfortunately, this is what I see happening.

Blizzard love their tragic corruption stories; And above all else, they love Windrunners starting conflicts.

So I foresee Alleria giving into the whispers to destroy Xal'atath, paralleling Arthas giving into the whispers to destroy Mal'ganis.

Ironically and tragically, Alleria's obsession with hunting the Void and its Harbinger will cause her to become the Harbinger of the Void invasion (just like Arthas' obsession with hunting the Scourge and Mal'ganis caused him to become their king); furthermore, Alleria ushering in the Void invasion of her homeland will parallel Kael'Thas' actions in TBC.

[Worldshaper]

Unfortunately, this is what I see happening.

Blizzard love their tragic corruption stories; And above all else, they love Windrunners starting conflicts.

So I foresee Alleria giving into the whispers to destroy Xal'atath, paralleling Arthas giving into the whispers to destroy Mal'ganis.

Ironically and tragically, Alleria's obsession with hunting the Void and its Harbinger will cause her to become the Harbinger of the Void invasion (just like Arthas' obsession with hunting the Scourge and Mal'ganis caused him to become their king); furthermore, Alleria ushering in the Void invasion of her homeland will parallel Kael'Thas' actions in TBC.

No, no, no. Stop it right now.

Alleria will track down and kill Xal'atath. She then returns a hero with a cadre of Void Elves at her side to aid in Silvermoon's defence, before the Quel'dorei unify under a single banner. Sylvanas represents the San'layn. Alleria the Ren'dorei. Vereesa the regular Quel'dorei.

Everybody's happy, Turalyon does a high five with Arator, the end.

[Xofa]

Did you seriously have to reply to a comment made over a week ago?



To quote Metzen:

Ehhh yes? What's your problem?

[Cheezits]

Unfortunately, this is what I see happening.

Blizzard love their tragic corruption stories; And above all else, they love Windrunners starting conflicts.

So I foresee Alleria giving into the whispers to destroy Xal'atath, paralleling Arthas giving into the whispers to destroy Mal'ganis.

Ironically and tragically, Alleria's obsession with hunting the Void and its Harbinger will cause her to become the Harbinger of the Void invasion (just like Arthas' obsession with hunting the Scourge and Mal'ganis caused him to become their king); furthermore, Alleria ushering in the Void invasion of her homeland will parallel Kael'Thas' actions in TBC.

Bonus points if Xal'atath holds Arator hostage and that's why Alleria goes nutso or she straight up kills Arator lol

Let the hate flow through you...

[Raetary]

I kinda feel like they'll probably bring back Sylvanas for Midnight and have her and a corrupted Alleria have a showdown where Sylvanas ends up mercy killing her.

[Keyalios]

I'm a bit disappointed that all the fun stuff is being overridden by the hubbub about 3 days early access.

Like, personally, I don't care. I rarely get to play launch day anymore. But it's all anyone seems to care about.

[Cheezits]

I kinda feel like they'll probably bring back Sylvanas for Midnight and have her and a corrupted Alleria have a showdown where Sylvanas ends up mercy killing her.

I'd prefer if Veressa had to step up and do something in the absence of a sane Alleria.

[Raetary]

I'd prefer if Veressa had to step up and do something in the absence of a sane Alleria.

Ah yes... tbh, i forgot she even existed lmao.

[Varodoc]

No, no, no. Stop it right now.

Alleria will track down and kill Xal'atath. She then returns a hero with a cadre of Void Elves at her side to aid in Silvermoon's defence, before the Quel'dorei unify under a single banner. Sylvanas represents the San'layn. Alleria the Ren'dorei. Vereesa the regular Quel'dorei.

Everybody's happy, Turalyon does a high five with Arator, the end.

Alleria will be sacrificed for Sylvanas.

Alleria succumbing to the Void will conveniently align with Sylvanas finishing her dailies.

So Sylvanas will return to Azeroth to defend Quel'Thalas from the Void, thus redeeming herself in the eyes of her people, and also to try and reason with Villain-batted Alleria, thus proving that she's changed and she's reformed.

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I'd prefer if Veressa had to step up and do something in the absence of a sane Alleria.

Vereesa is not popular enough.

She is still stuck with a crusty 2008 model in 2023.

No one really cares about Vereesa, but everyone loves Sylvanas.

Look at Blizzcon; Sylvanas got the loudest cheers, along with Arthas.

Sylvanas will conveniently finish her dailies when the Void is invading Quel'Thalas, she'll return to try and reason with her corrupted sister, thus proving that she's redeemed and reformed.

[Cheezits]

Alleria going crazy benefits everyone:

-Vereesa forced to do something and stand as leader of the High Elves/Silver Covenant
-Magister Umbric gets his chance to shine and be an actual character again for the Void Elves
-Arthas parallels for an attack on Quel'thalas
-Drama with Turalyon and Arator (and maybe Sylvanas)
-Able to focus on Dimensius and Azshara instead of dragging Xal out for too long

[Nymrohd]

I kinda feel like they'll probably bring back Sylvanas for Midnight and have her and a corrupted Alleria have a showdown where Sylvanas ends up mercy killing her.

On one hand, it makes sense. On the other, should it not be Arator or Turalyon?

[Worldshaper]

Alleria will be sacrificed for Sylvanas.

Alleria succumbing to the Void will conveniently align with Sylvanas finishing her dailies.

So Sylvanas will return to Azeroth to defend Quel'Thalas from the Void, thus redeeming herself in the eyes of her people, and also to try and reason with Villain-batted Alleria, thus proving that she's changed and she's reformed.

I'll say one thing: it is odd that they made an entirely new model for Sylvanas just for a single cutscene back in Shadowlands. I mean the one that makes her look like her old, living self.

No clue how she'd be able to un-undeath herself, though.

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Alleria going crazy benefits everyone:

-Vereesa forced to do something and stand as leader of the High Elves/Silver Covenant
-Magister Umbric gets his chance to shine and be an actual character again for the Void Elves
-Arthas parallels for an attack on Quel'thalas
-Drama with Turalyon and Arator (and maybe Sylvanas)
-Able to focus on Dimensius and Azshara instead of dragging Xal out for too long

Doesn't benefit an old Warcraft 2 player like me. It would feel like a kick in the groin. It's bad enough that she let the Void in for power. Turning her into a villain would suck hard.