The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

They're still experimenting with it, there is also a "Jump Dash" ability.

Might also not be that relevant for TWW as well. It might be something intended more for Midnight when we go back to EK, which is obviously flatter and less interesting with Dynamic Flight.

[huth]

Main Paladin and have for almost 20 years. Divine Toll is fine and has never clashed to me aesthetically and is a holdover indicator of just how bizarre it was to tie any kind of power to Covenants that are the blatant choice for most of a given class. Convoke is fine for the same reasons. The rest not as much.

Toll at the very least is inconspicuous enough that you can just pretend it isn't Anima. It's there, but paladin effects haven't really been uniform all the time and operate on a lot of Rule of Cool and Regal.

How often do you notice the actual effect rather than suddenly bashing up to 5 targets or standing in the middle of a shieldsplosion anyway?

[Marlamin]

Might also not be that relevant for TWW as well. It might be something intended more for Midnight when we go back to EK, which is obviously flatter and less interesting with Dynamic Flight.

Would be the first time they're working on gameplay tech/design that early on, but who knows?

[Sondrelk]

Would be the first time they're working on gameplay tech/design that early on, but who knows?

We have not yet gotten any indication of how long TWW will be. Could be the same as DF, could be longer, could be shorter.
If it's only one major patch then I could see it being in the cards early.

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If we didn't know Convoke was originally the Nightfae Druid ability, people wouldn't even notice it isn't Druid style. Sorry, but you're way off-base on that one.

For Balance it fits well enough. Though for Feral it's quite distinctive compared to all your other abilities.

[Vakir]

How often do you notice the actual effect rather than suddenly bashing up to 5 targets or standing in the middle of a shieldsplosion anyway?

Also this, pretty much. It's such a huge explosion of an effect and immediately necessitates a follow-up of some sort in managing either resources or throughput. But even if you just look at it in a vacuum, it's serviceable. I haven't seen the change if any.

Retheming things correctly is a good overall step though for a bigger reason - normalizing more spell glyphs/modifications if enough voice goes out for the old effects.

Class skins are highly unlikely because of the amount of effort put in, but individual spell tweaks doled out over minor patches a la race customisations and heritage sets would be a content gold mine.

I am among the like 4 people who liked the new Consecration they went back on. Really dig the stained glass kind of feel. Maybe if they toned it down a bit.

[Well Done Steak]

If we didn't know Convoke was originally the Nightfae Druid ability, people wouldn't even notice it isn't Druid style. Sorry, but you're way off-base on that one.

That's my point....

If the night fae weren't a thing, I wouldn't question it.

But they are, and night fae effects are very particular. So doesn't look natural. Still looks like a druid drawing power from.the night fae.

[Cheezits]

Remember that they are working on TWW at the same time as Midnight, so that could explain the Dynamic Ground mount.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I provided additional examples because you deliberately being obtuse and pretending that devotion aura screenshotted in a zone with red lighting somehow makes devotion not a bright blue

Good admit your moving goal post acceptance is the first step in recovery.

I also brought up that Maldraxxus is classically scourge (But you conveniently ignored that because it didn't work into your pathetic goal post moving

I don’t play a dk or play with any one who does, I don’t know there ability’s well so don’t know if there spell effects are out of place and as such I’m not gonna contest them as I have no need to try and say every thing Is wrong all the time.

But here if you want something, I think Abomb limb doesn’t match anti magic shell which may or may not be the only other green spell.

were the one who had no actual counter argument and tried to respond with a patently wrong doubling down on the specific class kits,

more projection, your the only one who brought up ability’s has no counter and tried to move to he goal post to other ability’s.

Woah, obviously not the same color! I mean, the objective numerical hue for Divine Toll is bounded within the objective numerical hue range for all three other spells you """"""disproved""""", but that must not mean anything right? Paladins don't use bright blue! These spells look nothing alike!

Welcome to blue, let’s see what else is in that hue range.

Light blue 199
Baby blue 202
Cyan 200
Corn flower 221
Azure blue 218
Neon blue 231
Ultra marine 230
Royal blue 228
French blue 211
Sapphire blue 211
Cobalt blue 221
Yale blue 217

Clearly all the same colour given that they are in the range right?

Not sure trying to deflect with a reference to another time you kept ignoring objective examples undermining your argument and moved goal posts to try and talk about irrelevant bullshit so you wouldn't have to actually provide a counter-argument is a good argument strategy. But keep at it, bud. I'm sure one of these times ignoring reality will work.

it’s pointing out a pattern, you move the goal post all over the place, make stuff up and attribute it to others, and then get upset and claim they are the one moving goal post when they don’t address strawmen you made up.

I mean you even did it right after that post saying I have a problem with every thing related to shadowlands which I never said.

[huth]

That's my point....

If the night fae weren't a thing, I wouldn't question it.

But they are, and night fae effects are very particular. So doesn't look natural. Still looks like a druid drawing power from.the night fae.

Then your point makes no sense. If you only question it because there is another aesthetic it also fits, then you don't have a case to begin with.

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For Balance it fits well enough. Though for Feral it's quite distinctive compared to all your other abilities.

Sure, but you're always going to run into that issue with cross-spec abilities for Druid.

[Cheezits]

Also, I don't know if others have noticed, but the HS disk mount that has been datamined to dynamic flight animations! It's the first mount without a wing to benefit from this. The animations are fun and crazy!

I was never expecting the disc mounts to get dynamic flying, that really is a nice surprise.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Elemental spells make up about...10% of spells in Baldur's gate 3. And that's the funny thing about light....it can be any color.

There might be more variety I wouldn’t know all my spell using was just holy and some firey rebukes.

[Valysar]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/whimsic...l-roses-336225
https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/news/spr...weapons-336210

[Ersula]

I like that idea a lot.

Also I want glyph of ravena back and last longer.

The problem is when is the last time they added new glyphs? 4 expansions ago? Considering most of their devs didn't even work on WoW that long ago, I doubt they even know that feature exists.

Lore wise, its anima not light

All magic is anima. And as described by the game, Bastion Anima is the purest form of it. So Holy magic is just bastion magic colored piss yellow. Sorry, this knowledge must be very hard for you.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The problem is when is the last time they added new glyphs? 4 expansions ago? Considering most of their devs didn't even work on WoW that long ago, I doubt they even know that feature exists.

They added some in shadowlands, though the only ones I only remember we’re new ghost wolf forms as I was miffed we got a fox before a Ram.

[Cheezits]

Anyone know where this guy is?

https://www.worldofmoudi.com/druid-o...ilable-in-10-2

[Hitei]

more projection, your the only one who brought up ability’s has no counter and tried to move to he goal post to other ability’s.

No wonder you think other people are moving the goal posts. You can't even remember the bullshit you've said:

Ya just look at all those bright blue paladin and Druid spells like convoke and toll it all fits right in.

/S.

Here is you. Bringing up abilities in response to my original comment about general aesthetics.

Clearly all the same colour given that they are in the range right?

If you're really so desperate to save face you're gonna pretend that overlapping gamuts are the same as different hues in a range and ignore that all four palettes contain in significant proportion an almost identical base cyan, and ignore that DT's specific color set is right there, directly visible in BoP, I can't help you.

There is a bigger difference between BoP and Devo and Devo and HoW than there is between HoW and DT or DT and BoP.

it’s pointing out a pattern, you move the goal post all over the place, make stuff up and attribute it to others, and then get upset and claim they are the one moving goal post when they don’t address strawmen you made up.

Lol. My guy. You have a quote right here, that I've quoted for you in this post I'm currently typing where your sarcastic argument was that Paladins and Druids don't have bright blue spells so covenant abilities don't fit. And here you are, half a dozen posts later trying to argue that "n-no, they're just very similar sets of bright blue spells, but not the exact identical set of bright blue colors".

I don't think it's possible to demonstrate a clearer example of goal post moving than this shit.

I mean you even did it right after that post saying I have a problem with every thing related to shadowlands which I never said.

Yes, I called you on your bullshit about Shadowlands. No, you're not gonna try and slime your way out of it after typing this shit:

Woo, will always be happy at them getting rid of shaodwlands trash.

Ya it’s shadowlands gameplay but the shadowlands thematic dies which is wonderful.

They now need to go further and keep clearing that trash out.

Walking a statement back when you get called on it doesn't make that statement a strawman, bud.

[Ersula]

Anyone know where this guy is?

https://www.worldofmoudi.com/druid-o...ilable-in-10-2

Did AI write this article? This is the most unhelpful wow site I've ever seen.

[Cheezits]

Did AI write this article? This is the most unhelpful wow site I've ever seen.

English is not his first language I think. But there is apparently a hidden Druid of the Flame cave and renown-gated questline (?)

[Gurahk]

If you're a shaman who has done the shaman campaign during Legion, Smolderon acknowledges you in the raid. Pretty neat.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No wonder you think other people are moving the goal posts. You can't even remember the bullshit you've said:

Here is you. Bringing up abilities in response to my original comment about general aesthetics.

The goal post was you brining up a set of ability’s, they didn't fit, so you tried to move to another set of ability’s you thought were closer, not brining up ability’s at all, lol.

Like I even pointed to you moving from some ability’s to others in what you just quoted not you just pointing to ability’s at all.

If you're really so desperate to save face you're gonna pretend that overlapping gamuts are the same as different hues in a range

again you are the one who pointed to them all being “within the objective numerical hue range for all three other spells you”, and guess what so are all of those other blues.

But again that goal post has to move right? Who knows what would happen if stayed in the same place for more then a post or two!

Lol. My guy. You have a quote right here, that I've quoted for you in this post I'm currently typing where your sarcastic argument was that Paladins and Druids don't have bright blue spells so covenant abilities don't fit. And here you are, half a dozen posts later trying to argue that "n-no, they're just very similar sets of bright blue spells, but not the exact identical set of bright blue colors".

No No your right, next time I’ll be sure to bring up the hue range in my /S post so I can sure I say they don’t have baby blue instead of sapphire blue, oh wait that would still upset you because there in the same hue range with many other blues wouldn’t it ?

I don't think it's possible to demonstrate a clearer example of goal post moving than this shit.

well we agree on something, though likely not in the same direction.

Yes, I called you on your bullshit about Shadowlands. No, you're not gonna try and slime your way out of it after typing this shit:

Walking a statement back when you get called on it doesn't make that statement a strawman, bud.

Huh that’s odd, I don’t see the words “I’m upset about anything to do with shadowlands existing” or “every thing should be taken out” any where in either of those post like you made up, how strange that is.

Blizzard (and I) think that some of them are thematically inconsistent. But again, that's not even what he's complaining about, he's upset that anything to do with Shadowlands exists, hence why he outright said that in the first post.