The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hugnomo]

I gotta say, I'm super hyped for this trilogy.

I'm also curious about the road they're taking some things. Like for example "bringing the various elven tribes together" ... That certainly sounds to me like all types of elves coming together once more to fight the big bad, whom in my opinion, makes the most sense to be Azshara, who ruled over all of them in the past, she's the unifier.

With cross-faction guilds, dungeons, raids, now warbands showing characters from different faction in the same warband ... the elven tribes coming together. To me that's eerily close to suggesting we might see a world where factions ultimately don't matter.

Also, I love how we're kind of rebuilding this idea of several human kingdoms. Before, Lordaeron was the religious and spiritual capital of the human kingdoms. Now, it seems this Arathi kingdom might replace it, becoming the human kindgom that thematically represents the religious/church of holy light side of human culture. With Stormwind, Gilneas, Dalaran, Kul Tiras, Hallowfall, it'd be cool to see a new coalition of human kingdoms as a unified front, like the Alliance of Lordaeron was at one point. I'd love to see Dalaran as a fleshed out, distinct kingdom, with its own playable allied race with distinct features. Same for Hallowfall humans, whom I'm very interested in seeing if they look any different from regular stormwind humans.

Also, considering Anduin left the throne in Stormwind, and that his internal struggle has to do with his connection to the light. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw him lead these new hallowfall humans. Either him or Turalyon, since they both are very connected to the light.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

It would be interesting to see Anduin give in to the void as a new power instead of using the light.

[Well Done Steak]

I like the new zones as well, especially Hallowfall. I just think it’s funny how all those arguments about an underground expansion being claustrophobic or too much like Zalarek have all suddenly evaporated.

Yo, T. If we get tinkers, or w/e name derivative, what do you think their hero specs would be?

[Civciv]

I like the new zones as well, especially Hallowfall. I just think it’s funny how all those arguments about an underground expansion being claustrophobic or too much like Zalarek have all suddenly evaporated.

Yeah, just like how your Tinker arguments evaporated after DF announcement.

[Sondrelk]

Nope, tier sets are here to stay and we will have them from the first raid already .... Vault also had them ...

That is the obvious answer of course, though I think it's worth considering the possibility the first raid not having class sets, assuming the tier sets won't be themed after the raid.

Take Aberrus and Amirdrassil. We have class sets, which look they could have come from anywhere. Plus an open world set that looks like it could have been a raid set from the raid.
We know that TWW will have an earthen themed low quality set, probably from levelling. And a Hallowfall themed set, that in lieu of an assumption of high quality dungeon sets or the possibility of coming from an 11.1 Hallowfall raid is likely to then come from the open world.
This leaves us with the question of a high quality Nerubian set being missing, which seems like a missed opportunity.

Of course, there are several ways this could be worked around. Maybe the dungeon set is Nerubian themed and whatnot. Maybe the dungeon themed is a high quality set for that matter.
Still, worht considering different options for high quality gear other than every raid having 13 class themed sets. especially for the initial launch, where there are usually tons of filler sets from dungeons or levelling.

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It would be interesting to see Anduin give in to the void as a new power instead of using the light.

That seems very antithetical to his character given he wants to help people while being a pacifist, not necessarily help people by killing the people threatening them.
The Void doesnt seem like it has the ability to heal, or comfort.

[Teriz]

Yeah, just like how your Tinker arguments evaporated after DF announcement.

They actually evaporated before the DF announcement. See my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn threads in my sig.

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Yo, T. If we get tinkers, or w/e name derivative, what do you think their hero specs would be?

That entirely depends on their specs. I couldn’t begin to guess what they would be.

[Well Done Steak]

They actually evaporated before the DF announcement. See my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn threads in my sig.

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That entirely depends on their specs. I couldn’t begin to guess what they would be.

Dont give me that, you have 6 concepts on your sig. This should be child's play.

Okay imagine it's the 3 specs from your tinker concept, siege, assault, and medic.

[Cheezits]

And a Hallowfall themed set, that in lieu of an assumption of high quality dungeon sets or the possibility of coming from an 11.1 Hallowfall raid is likely to then come from the open world.

Considering there were only 4 sets, it couldn't be from a raid unless they are reverting back to 4 armor sets per raid. I think that would piss off a lot of players so I doubt it will happen.

More than likely there will be an 11.1 Hallowsfall-themed patch the gear comes from, like Zaralek gear, or they are unique HD cosmetic sets from renown. Which hasn't happened yet but could be a new precedent.

[huth]

That entirely depends on their specs. I couldn’t begin to guess what they would be.

There's also the thing that depending on what gets named what, the other names could easily be used for the other options.

E.g. Tinker Class, Artificer Hero Talent, Engineer Spec or Artificer Class, Engineer Spec, Tinker Hero Talent.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

One thing that's only just struck me about The War Within is that it's the first expansion in a while I really feel like a feature that should have been added long ago was added, which in this case is subclasses through the Hero Talent system. While Dragonflight nearly ticked that box for me by bringing back universal loot (though I'd have vastly preferred master loot to necessitate a real social system) and fixing talents, these were really just course corrections for terrible decisions. I've never really felt this much like something has been added that really helps the game feel more "complete" since artifacts were announced back in Legion, and maybe Allied Races (though those had minimal gameplay impact). I'm not sure how they'll be in practice, but they feel like something that really helps to complete the game in a way the systems we've suffered through since BfA didn't.

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There's also the thing that depending on what gets named what, the other names could easily be used for the other options.

E.g. Tinker Class, Artificer Hero Talent, Engineer Spec or Artificer Class, Engineer Spec, Tinker Hero Talent.

Honestly, I think the Lightsmith hero tree sounds pretty close to draenic artificers in theory. I'll have to see what it actually looks like, though.

[Well Done Steak]

They actually evaporated before the DF announcement. See my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn threads in my sig.

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That entirely depends on their specs. I couldn’t begin to guess what they would be.

Okay how about this.

Tinker: 4 specs

Siege (tank)
Assault (mdps)
Artillery (rdps)
Medic (heals)

Hero specs

Ace pilot (as,ar)
Techno-mancer (m, ar)
Artificer (m, s)
Junker (s,as)

[Sondrelk]

Considering there were only 4 sets, it couldn't be from a raid unless they are reverting back to 4 armor sets per raid. I think that would piss off a lot of players so I doubt it will happen.

More than likely there will be an 11.1 Hallowsfall-themed patch the gear comes from, like Zaralek gear, or they are unique HD cosmetic sets from renown. Which hasn't happened yet but could be a new precedent.

True. Though I count the Zaralek and Emerald Dream sets as the equivalent of Aberrus and Amirdrassil raid sets, so there is that.

11.1 will likely have an open world set if it's similar to DF, and there is a tiny chance the Hallowfall set is from there.

[Nymrohd]

Why are we back to tinkers???

[Makabreska]

I remember how a lot of people was saying that the "allied races" concept was definitely dead after BfA, and that we wouldn't ever see allied races again... but now the Earthens are coming into the picture under the "allied races" name, so... I guess (hope, mostly) that we get more allied races on the next expansion, and at the same time I am thinking that now we have real chances of getting some of the DF races as allied races before this expansion ends!

There were also peeps saying that Dragonriding is DF feature only and wont be extended past it. Some people have this weird, caged way of thinking.

[Sondrelk]

One thing that's only just struck me about The War Within is that it's the first expansion in a while I really feel like a feature that should have been added long ago was added, which in this case is subclasses through the Hero Talent system. While Dragonflight nearly ticked that box for me by bringing back universal loot (though I'd have vastly preferred master loot to necessitate a real social system) and fixing talents, these were really just course corrections for terrible decisions. I've never really felt this much like something has been added that really helps the game feel more "complete" since artifacts were announced back in Legion, and maybe Allied Races (though those had minimal gameplay impact). I'm not sure how they'll be in practice, but they feel like something that really helps to complete the game in a way the systems we've suffered through since BfA didn't.

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Honestly, I think the Lightsmith hero tree sounds pretty close to draenic artificers in theory. I'll have to see what it actually looks like, though.

Are they subclasses though? They have that fancy name, and it does bring you subtly closer to a different spec. Though I feel it's a grand name for what in all honesty is picking an ability shared by two specs and buffing it.

[Well Done Steak]

Why are we back to tinkers???

Since they're not on the hunter hero spec list, that means they're back on the menu for Mid or TLT

[Nymrohd]

Since they're not on the hunter hero spec list, that means they're back on the menu for Mid or TLT

Ah yes, the elf expansion and Artifice.

[Well Done Steak]

Are they subclasses though? They have that fancy name, and it does bring you subtly closer to a different spec. Though I feel it's a grand name for what in all honesty is picking an ability shared by two specs and buffing it.

I think it depends on the FX they bring. That'll determine if they feel like subclasses or not.

Like of dark ranger turns lots of their shots all darky then it might feel like you're playing as like sylvanas or something, pack leader as like rexxar, etc

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Ah yes, the elf expansion and Artifice.

Yeah, TLT might make more sense than Mid

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Hmmm, I wonder what are the odds if during dev, they make it so that a class has a choice between all hero specs instead of just the shared two.

Opens up much more possibilities but prob a balancing nightmare.

[Sondrelk]

I think it depends on the FX they bring. That'll determine if they feel like subclasses or not.

Like of dark ranger turns lots of their shots all darky then it might feel like you're playing as like sylvanas or something, pack leader as like rexxar, etc

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Yeah, TLT might make more sense than Mid

That's true, though the druid stuff didn't give that impression.
Dark Ranger is probably more likely to get visual updates though, so I guess we will have to see.

[Kiivar86]

Why are we back to tinkers???

Time is a flat circle and all that jazz.