The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Alanar]

Well Blizzard has regularly adopted lore from the RPG books so I could see the Hallowfall humans being Azotha.

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See, my favourite idea before the reveal was a Northrend revamp exactly because it fit with Dragonflight's story. TLT will likely have Iridikron and Vyranoth's lairs, Iridikron may well do something involving Galakrond again and we might even see Chromatus if he is broken out of prison maybe in Coldarra. Other zones could be used for side stories; Zul Drak could be a chance for Talanji to show up trying to reestablish the Drakkari or maybe knowing we will have to fight the Titanforged we will look for Drakkari lore on how they fought the corrupted Titanforged controlled by the Nerubians. The Nerubian story from TWW could reflect on Azjol Nerub; though I doubt we will ever get to see that as a zone now that we are already getting something very similar elsewhere, we will probably get a dungeon.

I just hope we don't get Dalaran AGAIN. Maybe they will expand Wyrmrest into a capital.

The pitch I saw about them, were human models with Vrykul haircuts. I hope its not that. I rather skip that crap and give us the real deal, but the chances are small I think.

Blizz likes to not give us what we want and give us something that resembles it, but its not what people asked. Its their trend, thats why I have no hope for that.

[Tetley]

Do we know if the Hero specs will be available as titles for us players? I quite like some of them.

[Ochinko]

Pretty sure we will get a bare minimum in effort for the hero specs, no extra cosmetics, no titles, no *real* changes.

For all the naysayers, yes, in their warrior video they showed some visual difference, but that was 100% just one of the new talents spreading stormbolt instead of cosmetic awesomeness.

Am more than happy to be proven wrong come spring / summer with alpha and beta, but I am completely confident blizzard will still be going hard on theirfun-detected route.

We still have arbitrary transmog restrictions, arbitrary level restrictions and cooldowns on toys, and so on and so forth. (e.g. Weapon transmog rules suddenly dont apply with legion artifacts (2h->1h dual wield, no problem / staff into fist weapons, etc../// armor style and clothing suddenly dont matter when its for their shop transmog sets or the ones from trading post, but allowing plate wearers to use cloth? INCONCIEVABLE!!! THE PVPers WONT KNOW WHO THEY ARE FACING!!! /// naked transmogs are fine, but bunny ears all year round? That would break the game!) /endrant

[Lady Atia]

Do we know if the Hero specs will be available as titles for us players? I quite like some of them.

While they would be awesome titles indeed, atleast Slayer and Farseer aswell as Death Stalker are already available ingame. That said, I would love to get Scalecommander, Rider of the Apocalypse or Trickster! Also, for what it's worth, Deathbringer was originally obtainable via world pvp in Shadowlands Beta, but it got weirdly removed when the Expansion launched.

Also, I really hope my BM hunter can be a Dark Ranger and my Aug Evoker can be a Scalecommander, otherwise I'll riot!

[Alanar]

Do we know if the Hero specs will be available as titles for us players? I quite like some of them.

We basically know next to nothing on these things. I mean they are good questions, but we have many questions on this feauture. A title for example like :dark ranger, would feel pretty lame imo. They are archtypes, not titles.

How about visuals
How about skins/transmog
Hoe about class tag, will you see dark ranger when hovering over a hunter player?

It feels and looks so far, like a watered down class skin idea, but without the goodies. Hopefully we see this feauture give us a lot of stuff for those archtypes, but I am ready for a dissappointment.

[Pyrophax]

I keep saying that with Azeroth hatching in The Last Titan it opens the opportunity to completely change the geography of the world for a World Revamp. They could break Kalimdor and the EK to pieces and made them float like Eredath if they wanted to. All I am saying, a post Azeroth hatching revamp would be a golden opportunity.

It will create major aproar. Would be cool tho. We can have even more landmasses of crushed Azeroth. Played once Allods online (despite been giga-shit game, setting was cool) - all their world was flying islands in wild mana. Not saying blizz should do the same, but idea is good. Maybe split EK and Kalimdor in 3 part each? As different expansion zones.

[Golden Yak]

Too much of a repeat. Bringing back the Titans is one thing, but rehashing themes from DF and WW so soon would be weird.

Will it feel that way in like 7 years though. Especially if Last Titan is meant to follow up on themes from DF and TWW as part of this whole new saga format.

[Nymrohd]

Too much of a repeat. Bringing back the Titans is one thing, but rehashing themes from DF and WW so soon would be weird.

Are we really talking about repeats in WOW?

[Nathanyel]

Eredath is a great zone, but god the name change is stupid. It'd be like calling the capital of humanity Humanville.

Well, I don't know about that .... we literally call our planet dirt.

Yep, it feels somewhat SciFi-y and you can dislike that, but it's really not uncommon, prime example being the Terrans, basically "[inhabitants] of dirt/earth [world]"

Also, completely on point for the Eredar, seeing how the refugees calling themselves "Draenei" then named the world they settled on "Draenor", despite entire cultures already living there. The Orcs may not have bothered naming the world, but the Arakkoa or even the Ogres surely have a name for their homeworld, even if it's just "Earth" in their language.

I would love to get Scalecommander, [...]

brb reserving a name so I can be Scalecommander Scalamander.

Are we really talking about repeats in WOW?

That would truly be a setback.

[huth]

It feels and looks so far, like a watered down class skin idea, but without the goodies.

No, it isn't like class skins at all. It's missing all the parts that make a class skin, while having a bunch of things that aren't part of it.

You might as well be comparing trinkets with cosmetic helmets.

Yep, it feels somewhat SciFi-y and you can dislike that, but it's really not uncommon, prime example being the Terrans, basically "[inhabitants] of dirt/earth [world]"

I've seen more than one writer joke about all homeworld names translating to variations of dirt/dust, home or capital. It's a pretty common idea.

[Lady Atia]

No, it isn't like class skins at all. It's missing all the parts that make a class skin, while having a bunch of things that aren't part of it.

You might as well be comparing trinkets with cosmetic helmets.



I've seen more than one writer joke about all homeworld names translating to variations of dirt/dust, home or capital. It's a pretty common idea.

Tbf, it's possible they are working on a glyph revamp for Midnight (or even one of TWW patches) which would be based upon the hero specs to give us more customization. That would be another evergreen system that can easily stand on it's own even if they decide to remove the hero talents later on.

[SkyTides]

Am I the only one who's not that hyped for a Northrend revamp for TLT? I'm sure Blizz will do a great job with it but, we already know northrend inside out (and it still holds up really well in terms of aesthetics/music). For me it kind of takes away the excitement of exploring a brand new place.

I feel better for Midnight, I'm not up on my lore of Quel thalas but that area of the map is a bit of a mess so it would be nice for that bit to be expanded and developed.

[Lady Atia]

Am I the only one who's not that hyped for a Northrend revamp for TLT? I'm sure Blizz will do a great job with it but, we already know northrend inside out (and it still holds up really well in terms of aesthetics/music). For me it kind of takes away the excitement of exploring a brand new place.

I feel better for Midnight, I'm not up on my lore of Quel thalas but that area of the map is a bit of a mess so it would be nice for that bit to be expanded and developed.

Northrend is the oldest continent if we ignore Outlands which already got the HD update via Draenor. And honestly, it feels good to finally re-exploring and returning to something again instead of going to another new random island. It's like playing a new pokemon game vs a HD remaster. Both has it's values, but honestly, I prolly prefer the remasters.

[Makorus]

Northrend is the oldest continent if we ignore Outlands which already got the HD update via Draenor. And honestly, it feels good to finally re-exploring and returning to something again instead of going to another new random island. It's like playing a new pokemon game vs a HD remaster. Both has it's values, but honestly, I prolly prefer the remasters.

Sure, but Pokemon Remakes don't come out instead of mainline games.

Calling WoD Draenor a "HD Update" is hilarious as well when the only zone that is even remotely similar to TBC Outlands is Nagrand.

Unless there is a big, big, big natural disaster in Northrend having to do with the Titans coming back, it's incredibly lazy. Especially because last we heard of Northrend, all we had was Scourge running around.

[Alanar]

No, it isn't like class skins at all. It's missing all the parts that make a class skin, while having a bunch of things that aren't part of it.

You might as well be comparing trinkets with cosmetic helmets.



I've seen more than one writer joke about all homeworld names translating to variations of dirt/dust, home or capital. It's a pretty common idea.

I think you missed my entire post. Atleast looking at what part you quoted me on. There are more questions, then awnsers. It might as well contain exactly what I said.

This whole feauture right now is just another talent tree that enhances excisting talents. We know next to nothing about this, besides the basic idea and have seen 2 mockups. Who knows what goodies we get if we get any. It should contain more obviously.

I literally said we dont know shit really, besides the basic idea and names that can change. Class skins is what mmo-champion and the likes made up. Its only called like this on fan sites. I still consider this a watered down/light form of class skins. Just not what you would expect such as necromancer skin for locks. Thats just what people think it should do. Maybe not what blizz has in mind or think what it should do. Dks could potentially still get a necromancer archtype, that focus more on your pets. Names can change and it doesnt have to be a lock who gets it. Il save you my opinion on necromancer locks.

[Makorus]

I think you missed my entire post. Atleast looking at what part you quoted me on. There are more questions, then awnsers. It might as well contain exactly what I said.

This whole feauture right now is just another talent tree that enhances excisting talents. We know next to nothing about this. Who knows what goodies we get if we get any.

Kinda dumb response, when I literally said we dont know shit really. Class skins is what mmo-champion and the likes made up. Its only called like this on fan sites. I still consider this a watered down/light form of class skins. Just not what you would expect such as necromancer skin for locks. Thats just what people think it should do.

We do know what we get?

It's a sub-talent tree with a focus on different aspects of a spec. There are no "goodies" because there aren't supposed to be any goodies. It's just extra talents. Yeah, there are talents that change certain spells to be themed around something, but we kinda already have that in the normal talent tree.

Like, they literally had a 15 minute long segment on the Deep Dive panel about them.

[SkyTides]

Northrend is the oldest continent if we ignore Outlands which already got the HD update via Draenor. And honestly, it feels good to finally re-exploring and returning to something again instead of going to another new random island. It's like playing a new pokemon game vs a HD remaster. Both has it's values, but honestly, I prolly prefer the remasters.

I see what you're saying but for me, EK and Kalimdor are the places most in dire need of revamp. Northrend still looks and feels mostly great. I know its a huge undertaking but I do feel Blizz's resources would have been better spent making a start on the vanilla landmass - just think how much they could expand on the super basic landscapes we have - most of the vanilla zones are just flat with lumpy bumpy mountains around the edges. Then there's adding new life and civilization to these areas.

[Alanar]

We do know what we get?

It's a sub-talent tree with focus of different aspects of a spec. There are no "goodies" because there aren't supposed to be any goodies. It's just extra talents. Yeah, there are talents that change certain spells to be themed around something, but we kinda already have that in the normal talent tree.

We know that yes. Which is probably likely not the whole thing. They said even names can change, nothing is set in stone. I could see certain archtypes get some quests or transmog options. Right now its exactly what I said before. Just another talent tree that enhances one of your excisting talents. Its bareboned and I dont believe this is all of it.

You also dont hype it up as a place where we could see lost archtypes and give us nothing. I am interested in the smaller things or perks we should be getting with this and imo we should. Again, we got the basic idea and a few mockup trees, in 15 minutes you can say a lot, but also not much. It was very bareboned. I just rewatched it so..

[Makorus]

We know that yes. Which is probably likely not the whole thing. They said even names can change, nothing is set in stone. I could see certain archtypes get some quests or transmog options. Right now its exactly what I said before. Just another talent tree that enhances one of your excisting talents. Its bareboned and I dont believe this is all of it.

You also dont hype it up as a place where we could see lost archtypes and give us nothing. I am interested in the smaller things or perks we should be getting with this and imo we should. Again, we got the basic idea and a few mockup trees, in 15 minutes you can say a lot, but also not much. It was very bareboned. I just rewatched it so..

It's not bareboned. It's just extra talents, but the problems with adding extra talents in previous expansions is that it messes with the previous tried-and-tested tree, so instead they opted for a second, smaller tree.

And then you opt for what direction you wanna take your spec, which you already kinda do with the current talent trees (Red/Blue for DPS Evoker, Disease/Pet for Unholy, Lightning/Earth for Elemental, except 99% of the classes have one path that's objectively better).

People who expect anything other than "more talents" are setting themselves up for disappointment, nowhere was it even hinted at that it would be anything but that. Yeah, some talents are gonna change the visuals, but we already have that.

[Alanar]

It's not bareboned. It's just extra talents, but the problems with adding extra talents in previous expansions is that it messes with the previous tried-and-tested tree, so instead they opted for a second, smaller tree.

And then you opt for what direction you wanna take your spec, which you already kinda do with the current talent trees (Red/Blue for DPS Evoker, Disease/Pet for Unholy, Lightning/Earth for Elemental, except 99% of the classes have one path that's objectively better).

People who expect anything other than "more talents" are setting themselves up for disappointment, nowhere was it even hinted at that it would be anything but that. Yeah, some talents are gonna change the visuals, but we already have that.

I know that and honestly I am ready for the dissappointment. Its just that, you cant hype up the community with famous archtypes people have been asking for years and not let players really dive into that. With what we know right now, thats just not enough.

When announcing differnt archtypes and hyping it up, its just weird that the only thing you will get is 10 points and aa few visuals( they didnt say anything about visuals, I know). it clearly should offer players more that.. links to that archtype and offer other cosmetic options to actually feel like that archtype or add other glyphs to change spelleffects. For that reason alone, it feels very meh. How am I suppose to dive deper into an archtype. I hate the whole "for your own interpretation" that blizz pushed lately.

I know what they pressented and I still think its very bareboned. Its just 10 extra talents in the end.