The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Auxis]

It got quietly removed from the news earlier today. It usually releases around 10 AM PST.



More fleshed out spell customization is such a no brainer that I almost refuse to believe their "PvP readability" argument against it isn't covering for technical or scope issues, because PvP readability has been dead and rotting for so long that you can't even read the corpse anymore. I'd sooner believe them getting rid of the Observer was some weird personal vendetta from a dev.

Awww man that sucks.

[Dracullus]

That's absurd. We are probably 8 months from the prepatch. 4 patches between now and then?

Timewalking patch, DF wrap up story patch, Season 4 patch, some kind of story prequel for TWW patch.. sure why not, no one said they will be big patches.

[Worldshaper]

So if Azeroth's worldsoul is imprisoned by the Titans, and ...

Sylvanas:

"This world is a prison, and I will set us all free."

and ...

N'Zoth:

"All eyes shall be opened."
"Only I can save this world. Yield... and serve!"
"She will show you the way. Come... come. The hour approaches when all eyes shall be opened."

and ...

Il'gynoth:

"The lord of ravens will turn the key."
"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it."
"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."
"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."
"From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength."
"Your coming was foretold in the rings. The long circle is nearly complete."

Knowing Presence:

"Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Our dreams. Our song."



So have the Titans imprisoned the worldsoul because it is already corrupted by the Old Gods? Placed in stasis, in a sense? They aren't evil, they are lawbringers, keepers of order, jailers and watchers.

The Old Gods already took Azeroth's worldsoul, and the Titans' response was to imprison it. Keep it in stasis. Prevent it from waking up as a horrible manifestation of the Void.

Sargeras wanted to create a Dark Pantheon to stand a chance against the Void, and sought to kill Azeroth's worldsoul in Legion rather than keep it imprisoned.

In The Last Titan, one of the Titans, perhaps Sargeras or Eonar, ends up being the final Titan left that can help Azeroth somehow. Perhaps setting her free?

I doubt N'Zoth was up to anything good, though. He might be suggesting that the great "truth" is that the Titans are keeping the worldsoul imprisoned. But I'm sure he wants her free so that the Old Gods become free or something.

[Merryck]

So if Azeroth's worldsoul is imprisoned by the Titans, and ...

Sylvanas:

"This world is a prison, and I will set us all free."

and ...

N'Zoth:

"All eyes shall be opened."
"Only I can save this world. Yield... and serve!"
"She will show you the way. Come... come. The hour approaches when all eyes shall be opened."

and ...

Il'gynoth:

"The lord of ravens will turn the key."
"Her heart is a crater, and we have filled it."
"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."
"Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below."
"From the earth, he draws strength. Our earth. Our strength."
"Your coming was foretold in the rings. The long circle is nearly complete."

Knowing Presence:

"Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Our dreams. Our song."



So have the Titans imprisoned the worldsoul because it is already corrupted by the Old Gods? Placed in stasis, in a sense? They aren't evil, they are lawbringers, keepers of order, jailers and watchers.

The Old Gods already took Azeroth's worldsoul, and the Titans' response was to imprison it. Keep it in stasis. Prevent it from waking up as a horrible manifestation of the Void.

Sargeras wanted to create a Dark Pantheon to stand a chance against the Void, and sought to kill Azeroth's worldsoul in Legion rather than keep it imprisoned.

In The Last Titan, one of the Titans, perhaps Sargeras or Eonar, ends up being the final Titan left that can help Azeroth somehow. Perhaps setting her free?

I doubt N'Zoth was up to anything good, though. He might be suggesting that the great "truth" is that the Titans are keeping the worldsoul imprisoned. But I'm sure he wants her free so that the Old Gods become free or something.

Sylvanas was referring to the cycle of life and death when she said the world was a prison for the record. I doubt she knows shit about the world soul, and I dearly hope she's not relevant to this saga.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

[Walrusking]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

I think it spawned from people pointing out the LAst Titan logo having a very similar design to the Incarnate's prison.

[Worldshaper]

Sylvanas was referring to the cycle of life and death when she said the world was a prison for the record. I doubt she knows shit about the world soul, and I dearly hope she's not relevant to this saga.

Obviously that's what we all thought (and probably all that it meant at the time, to be honest). But quotes and lore can be retrofitted into new lore, to make Blizzard seem like genius mastermind writers. It would not surprise me if Sylvanas knew about what the Titans had done, perhaps revealed to her in a vision from Yogg-Saron when she died on the Saronite.

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

It's just the most recent theory, not confirmed or anything. The logo for The Last Titan has a Titan Prison design, like the one Iridikron was kept inside. It also has the same runes as you see in the Seat of the Pantheon. So a lot of people are speculating that the worldsoul is imprisoned by them, and I'm playing around with that idea.

[Merryck]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

Because it was framed that the Titans might have nefarious intent for the world soul and the logo for the Final Titan depicted the same rings that imprisoned the Incarnates. I'm not a fan of it either, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

[Raetary]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

It's based on the TLT logo having one of those gyroscopic rings around it, like the prisons of the incarnates.
That's pretty much it.

I find the idea pretty stupid and redundant.

Like, they are essentially imprisoning the baby inside the womb.
As if not being fully developed and being stuck inside the planet isn't enough of a prison.

[Merryck]

I'm just glad that there was no mention of the First Ones. Maybe we can go this entire saga without them being mentioned.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think it spawned from people pointing out the LAst Titan logo having a very similar design to the Incarnate's prison.

It's just the most recent theory, not confirmed or anything. The logo for The Last Titan has a Titan Prison design, like the one Iridikron was kept inside. It also has the same runes as you see in the Seat of the Pantheon. So a lot of people are speculating that the worldsoul is imprisoned by them, and I'm playing around with that idea.

Because it was framed that the Titans might have nefarious intent for the world soul and the logo for the Final Titan depicted the same rings that imprisoned the Incarnates. I'm not a fan of it either, but that seems to be the direction we're going.

Weird theory given that the scaleborn book tells us that the prison was made by the aspects not the titans with not even the keepers having any hand in it as the aspects stopped communicating with them hundreds of years before the war started.

[Chickat]

Only 6 of the rares in Emerald Dream require a group, the rest I delete in CDs as a tank so a dps can probably destroy them even without cooldowns. Every event is made so it can be done even solo if you want it; Superbloom has a special buff and Bounties are still rewarding solo (or you can just grind the dew). The same was just not true in Zaralek. Most of the rares would take forever with no group. Good luck doing Researchers without a nearly full raid even if you grossly outgear it.

I admit I replied before i tried the zone, so I assumed it was like the last few. My bad.

[Worldshaper]

Weird theory given that the scaleborn book tells us that the prison was made by the aspects not the titans with not even the keepers having any hand in it as the aspects stopped communicating with them hundreds of years before the war started.

I mean, duh. The Dragon Aspects use the Titans' powers.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, duh. The Dragon Aspects use the Titans' powers.

That’s really not how any thing works.


The aspects come go with the idea work out how to do it and build it all on there own, there isn’t any thing actually tying the prisons to the titans or even Titan born it’s a pure draconic thing.

[huth]

Sylvanas was referring to the cycle of life and death when she said the world was a prison for the record. I doubt she knows shit about the world soul, and I dearly hope she's not relevant to this saga.

She also said "free us" not "free her". She's clearly not talking about Azeroth specificially.

[Worldshaper]

That’s really not how any thing works.


The aspects come go with the idea work out how to do it and build it all on there own, there isn’t any thing actually tying the prisons to the titans or even Titan born it’s a pure draconic thing.

They're the same runes as in the Seat of the Pantheon.

[huth]

Where are people getting that the titans imprisoned Azeroth’s world soul from?

That seems like a pretty ludicrous idea as it would mean retconning pretty much all the lore we have ever gotten about the world soul and the titans interacting with Azeroth.

I think it's people once again failing to treat vague guesses and personal opinions as such and stating them with to much confidence.

[Worldshaper]

She also said "free us" not "free her". She's clearly not talking about Azeroth specificially.

I'm undecided, but do you seriously not think Sylvanas would consider the soul of the planet being in chains pretty much the same thing as all of us being in chains? She's obsessed with independence and freedom.

[huth]

They're the same runes as in the Seat of the Pantheon.

Which just means they copied them from the Titans. This might not even be their intended purpose.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They're the same runes as in the Seat of the Pantheon.

Which we don’t know any thing about, hell Do the titans even use magic runes?

For all we know it could just be writing saying “keep out”.