The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

In my opinion, they should rename Void Elves to High Elves and tie the Void Elf racials to optional customisation options for High Elves. Like you tick a box on the character creation screen and become a Void Elf. They should've done that to Lightforged Draenei too.

[Chickat]

To be fair, the 10.2 deployment appears to have taken far more effort on their end than they had expected so 10.2.5 PTR might have just been pushed to next week due to that, maybe they'll mention it during the WoWCast tomorrow. I'm still keeping an eye out this week regardless, things do be brewing.

They might also be trying to squash some of the bugs that came with 10.2 before they commit to testing something else.

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Ah, okay. That might be it, then.

Because for the life of me, I just can't see how Amirdrassil just popping into the Ohn'ahran plains will make it feel remotely like an appropriate home for the Night Elves.

Green hills.
Wind-swept cliffs.
A general theme that invokes memories of Nagrand, Desolace, etc.

The home of the Night Elves needs forests, and preferrably enchanted ones. Not just a single tree.

Hopefully, Amirdrassil just ends up being a fancy cottage that lets you teleport to various nature-themed zones like the Emerald Dream, Ashenvale, etc., or it has a single portal in its midst that leads to a Night Elf-exclusive little instance which is a wild forest no one else can reach.

It would be cool if it turned the whole zone into a dense forrest. End game zone update for 10.2.5 or 7. You get the old phase for characters under 70 and who have not completed the storyline of 10.2 or something.

[Worldshaper]

and said prison has nothing to do with the titans so is unlikely to be tied to the titans imprisoning Azeroth.

Hell it’s far more likely it’s there because it’s the prison Dwayne The Rock Dragon was kept in and his whole thing is getting the titans back to fight them.

But that's inaccurate.

The prison is a stasis chamber / prison created using the powers of the Titans, channeled through / wielded by the Dragon Aspects - their champions on Azeroth.

Nothing is for certain, but it is very fishy that Blizzard choses one of those prisons as a logo to go along with the title "The Last Titan", which refers to Azeroth historically.

We've also heard a ton of hints and quotes over the recent years suggesting that (1) the Titans are kind of arrogant and single-minded, and (2) the Old Gods have already corrupted the worldsoul long ago. We also know from before that the Titans' go to method when all else fails is: IMPRISON THAT THING.

[Chickat]

Maybe. I suppose the Isles will remain the default levelling experience for a while. I can't see Khaz Algar or an updated Quel'thalas replacing it.

But there are still ways around that. Like I said for example, they could have built a Night Elf city inside the Emerald Dream. I guess they still might be doing that. You know, how the Druid order hall was kept in a corner of Val'sharah.

Isles default leveling until 14.0 when they update the whole world. They will have plenty of time to do it in the background and tons of assets to use stretching all the way from MoP to 13.0 to use. Plus Northrend will already be updated, and Pandaria while dated is fine imo.

We will need a breather by the time 14.0 comes so a world revamp back to roots expansion would be fun.

[huth]

This is comedy gold.

The runes chosen by the Titans themselves to adorn the cradle of their civilization, the seat of their power...

Those same runes being used by their champions on Azeroth, the Dragon Aspects, to imprison the unruly elemental spirits we call the Primal Incarnates, who would seek to undo Order and sow chaos on Azeroth...

Those runes again being written on such a prison on the very logo of The Last Titan...

That's just cool graffitti.

We can't rule that out, correct.

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I think the point is more that the title is The Last Titan and it features a prison on the logo, exactly like the one used to contain Iridikron. Historically, Azeroth has been called the final Titan.

It features what you believe to be a prison.

[Chickat]

Yeah, right now it does not and technically it probably never will, but given their advances in seamless teleporting, maybe it'll functionally have that in the future.

I mean flying or sailing for a min and then the outline of another continent appears isnt all on one map. its the same thing with Zaralek not technically being under the Isles if I understand correctly, although I imagine its on the same map so maybe a bit different.

It doesn't have to be on the same map to feel that way from a players perspective if done right.

[Worldshaper]

We can't rule that out, correct.

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It features what you believe to be a prison.

Have a look around the Vault of the Incarnates, then.

[Nymrohd]

I mean, those are just the Titan runes. They are in everything Titan related. Not everything will be a prison.

[Worldshaper]

I mean, those are just the Titan runes. They are in everything Titan related. Not everything will be a prison.

But the Primal Incarnates were in prisons. Or stasis chambers might be a better word.

[Hitei]

I mean, those are just the Titan runes. They are in everything Titan related. Not everything will be a prison.

This.

Though I do think they are probably doing shady shit to Azeroth to turn her into a Titan instead of whatever the actual natural progression of a world soul is, rings and runes are absolutely meaningless. They are used for everything.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But that's inaccurate.

The prison is a stasis chamber / prison created using the powers of the Titans, channeled through / wielded by the Dragon Aspects - their champions on Azeroth.

Nothing is for certain, but it is very fishy that Blizzard choses one of those prisons as a logo to go along with the title "The Last Titan", which refers to Azeroth historically.

We've also heard a ton of hints and quotes over the recent years suggesting that (1) the Titans are kind of arrogant and single-minded, and (2) the Old Gods have already corrupted the worldsoul long ago. We also know from before that the Titans' go to method when all else fails is: IMPRISON THAT THING.

I can use the power from Nikola Tesla to go lock some one up right now, That doesn't mean Tesla had any thing to do with it or point to him locking people up to.

and it's not fishy at all as its likely meant to be about the main bad guy who was in said prison.

[huth]

Have a look around the Vault of the Incarnates, then.

Which wasn't built by the Titans and may not be what those things are actually meant for. I'm starting to get the feeling you have memory issues.

[Merryck]

This is the biggest problem with this saga. We aren't getting answers for ages.

[Worldshaper]

Here's what I think is one possibility, although nothing is for certain:

1. Aggramar discovers Azeroth, notices it is infested by the Old Gods. Alerts his buddies of the Pantheon.
2. Titans arrive, fight the Old Gods, decide the best way to do it is by imprisoning them.
3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
4. Keepers and titanforged are created to order Azeroth, and then the Dragon Aspects are created to protect it. All children of the Titans, using their power.
5. The Aspects do what their creators did to resolve issues. They put the Incarnates and the Dracthyr in stasis/prison, with Titan runes all over it.
6. N'Zoth puts a little finger in the corner of his mouth and goes "Hmm, I think I want to turn the Titans' children against them. Lets open their eyes to the truth."
7. Xal'atath goes "nah, brother. I will be the one to claim the worldsoul and usher in our masters, not you!" before colluding with Azshara to make it so.
8. N'Zoth goes "heehee, I'm still lurking in the blade".
9. Xal'atath does a bunch of stuff, heroes of Azeroth eventually answer the Radiant Song of the worldsoul and realise she's being kept in chains, more or less.
10. Heroes of Azeroth have tough choices to make.

[Hitei]

This is the biggest problem with this saga. We aren't getting answers for ages.

You're just gonna be angry about the very obvious answers anyway.

[Worldshaper]

Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

One of his questions to the player:

What imprisons, but also protects?

The right answer ends up being: Stasis.

Foreshadowing, much?

[Xilurm]

Bruh, the denial that TLT's logo is 1:1 replica of the damn prison that held Iridikron is insane.

It's right there!



Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.

[Varodoc]

Here's what I think is one possibility, although nothing is for certain:

1. Aggramar discovers Azeroth, notices it is infested by the Old Gods. Alerts his buddies of the Pantheon.
2. Titans arrive, fight the Old Gods, decide the best way to do it is by imprisoning them.
3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
4. Keepers and titanforged are created to order Azeroth, and then the Dragon Aspects are created to protect it. All children of the Titans, using their power.
5. The Aspects do what their creators did to resolve issues. They put the Incarnates and the Dracthyr in stasis/prison, with Titan runes all over it.
6. N'Zoth puts a little finger in the corner of his mouth and goes "Hmm, I think I want to turn the Titans' children against them. Lets open their eyes to the truth."
7. Xal'atath goes "nah, brother. I will be the one to claim the worldsoul and usher in our masters, not you!" before colluding with Azshara to make it so.
8. N'Zoth goes "heehee, I'm still lurking in the blade".
9. Xal'atath does a bunch of stuff, heroes of Azeroth eventually answer the Radiant Song of the worldsoul and realise she's being kept in chains, more or less.
10. Heroes of Azeroth have tough choices to make.

N'Zoth/Xal'atath rivalry should continue in the Worldsoul saga.

Xal'atath clearly saw N'Zoth as a rival because all Old Gods want to be the one who gets to corrupt and control the World Soul.

Xal'atath made an alliance with Queen Azshara who then betrayed N'Zoth.

The rivalry should continue in the Worldsoul saga with N'Zoth coming back in Blade form and serving as an advisor/helper against Xal'atath. I can already imagine the sassy voiceline delivery.

"Heroes of Azeroth have touch choices to make"

One of these choices: Do we trust Blade N'Zoth and his counsel to thwart Xal'atath's plans?

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Bruh, the denial that TLT's logo is 1:1 replica of the damn prison that held Iridikron is insane.

It's right there!

Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.

And maybe she's a prisoner for a good reason.

The Primal Incarnates are batshit insane monsters and deserving of prison, so maybe Titans are still the good guys and it's Azeroth who is actually the threat.

[Revamp Man]

The Dawn of the Infinite cutscene was really exciting because my takeaway was "cool, we have a direct narrative line to the end of this expansion. Iridikron summons the Harbinger. We fight the Harbinger & Iridirkon because the Titans can't come because they're busy with Sargeras" but then this is my least favorite narrative convention, the "actually we're not going to resolve this now even though we could. We're going to resolve this several years from now" is what they're actually doing. In that sense the World Soul Saga is really 4 expansions long, including Dragonflight.

The most dangerous thing is give your fans several years to headcanon better endings to your storyline. They're making the same mistake Steven Moffat did writing Doctor Who & Sherlock.
Only in the sense an egg is a prison for a chicken. Though I do suspect it's more like Azeroth is a tree & the Titans want to turn it into a chair, metaphorically. Like, a planet is a world soul's natural state: And the First ones extracted them & turned them into the Titans/eternal ones.

The only thing we 100% know for sure when it comes to Titans and how they are made is what came from the thousand years war. Argus had memories of before time (which means before any ordering of reality) and sought out heat then a planet formed around him.

No titan tech was used to bring the first titan to life and he had no knowledge of the first ones because according to current lore the Titans believe themselves to be the creators.

We know Order magic transforms beings.
We also know that multiple members of the pantheon have ties to other forces which gives the possibility that world souls aren't themselves Titans but instead like the blank slates from transformers that could turn either autobot or decepticon.

Einar could have been originally a life aligned world soul

[Xilurm]

And maybe she's a prisoner for a good reason.

The Primal Incarnates are batshit insane monsters and deserving of prison, so maybe Titans are still the good guys and it's Azeroth who is actually the threat.

Well I'm not saying she is or she isn't. Just find it funny that people are in denial about whole thing. The logos are very specific.