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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

    One of his questions to the player:

    What imprisons, but also protects?

    The right answer ends up being: Stasis.

    Foreshadowing, much?
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleEverett View Post
    Big news is 3 minor patches next year before 11.0, Fated will have no raid affix
    Huh? The raid Affix was the only reason to repeat the content.
    “They should know what to look forward to in 2024."
    Then they probably should have covered some of that at blizzcon. I'm shocked that a powerpoint presentation & the shortest cinematic ever was the extent of retail footage they had to offer.
    “So it's really just more, let's bring all three raids back in rotation. Let's bring all of the Dragonflight dungeons back as a Dragonflight seasonal Mythic Plus pool and close out the season that way.”
    Everything Ion says is shockingly bad idea. My guild really liked the new affixes. Why are we being nostalgic for content we just had less than a year ago? The theme for season 4 being "nothing new" makes me think he has to be trolling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    That would be wild considering the Titans spent 100,000 years doing nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    Or perhaps the Titans aren't as good as we thought.

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    Yeah.

    I remain open minded as to what the Titans' intentions were.

    Did they place her in stasis to protect her and keep her in check, like parents grounding and unruly child?

    Did they simply imprison her because Old God corruption was too extensive, or because they wanted to force-feed her with Order magic?

    Is she neither imprisoned nor put in stasis, and is the logo referring to future events?

    Is the logo merely referring to Iridikron, possibly a major antagonist in 13.0?

    Who knows. But I lean towards the first one, because that just seems to line up so well with contemporary Titan lore.

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    I'm still going to guess that it's not "Titans/Keeper bad" and more "SOME of them are liars because reasons" with maaaaybe a couple "some of them have selfish intentions and need to be put down" (Odyn, maybe Aman'thul)

    Ironically if Aman'thul is the big big bad then he could even be what Zovaal was prepping against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    Yeah, I think she's put in stasis to be more precise. Some form of it, anyway. She dreams, and through the dreams is able to commune. But she can't wake up. She just persists through the ages. She can bleed and she can heal, but not awaken.

    So the Titans wanted to keep it that way for the time being, while the Old Gods want to finish what they had begun and awaken her as a Void thingie.

    I'm sure we will continue exploring questions of: "is it right?" and the nature of free will in the story ahead, as suggested by Alexstrasza and her dealings with rebels and Vyranoth in 11.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
    Congratulations, you just rendered every prior Sargeras & Old god plot irrelevant. Turns out Azeroth was already corrupted the whole time. Enjoy Classic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Ironically if Aman'thul is the big big bad then he could even be what Zovaal was prepping against.
    This is like "somehow palpatine returned" but worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paula Deen View Post
    I say it while actively farming bloody tokens >_>

    Edit: To keep this post kinda on topic.

    The only time in the history of the game I was surprised by a lore developments were the end of Tomb of Sargeras and Argus. I about shit my pants when I saw that cinematic for the first time and the Sword too.
    And when Sylvanas broke the crown shattering the sky. I dont think many people saw that coming tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    The real wild part is gonna be when the tree materializes into the middle of the ruins of Lordaeron.
    Nobody expects the Emerald Inquisition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdoll View Post
    10.2.5 and tree talk is getting boring here's my prediction for midnight

    Quel Danas is the final leveling zone, it is now a lot bigger and is now all void coloured and the Sunwell acts as the ice crown of this expansion the final raid where we face off against Xhal

    Eversong looks the same but is graphically updated and is now under Naga control

    Ghostlands are graphically updated and has void necromancers and nerubians

    zulaman is a full-on zone with trolls allied with the void

    the area behind Strathholme is now a hub until we reclaim Silvermoon

    12.0 raid is troll-focused

    12.1 we get a new underground Naga zone and a battle for Silvermoon raid that starts in the Naga caverns and we work our way up to Silvermoon black temple style

    12.2 we travel to Karesh and enter the Queldanas raid through the portal created in the Sunwell that is connected to Karesh
    That actually sounds really cool imo.

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    Or maybe the Titans arrive, find the world soul is significantly corrupted and THEN they imprison Azeroth during TLT because they think that if she wakes up, she will be a Void Titan.

    Which makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

    Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.
    This wouldn't challenge what I think I know about the Titans, their intentions or the nature of Azeroth. It would be directly in line with the narrative they've been going with ever since the Chronicle was hamfistedly retconned.

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    has anyone mentioned the Mr GM interview - they said we will get updates every 8 weeks leading up to the next xpack which doesn't add up to only being 10.2.5 - .7 hmm... could we still get a 10.3 with no raid? We know that we have to go into the nighthold maybe 10.3 will be a fated raid of the nighthold

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Yeah-- wasn't the Lightforged Warlock just a single NPC's dialogue? There seems to be a whole lot more of narrative bridging available for Druids & Paladins (and I guess also contextually Shamans). There's something a little different in the messaging here than there has been recently, I'm curious for 10.2.5.



    I'm a 13.0 Iridikron's lair supporter; I think it'd be an incredible villain arc for Iridikron to have used the Void just to lure the Titans back to Azeroth. He could care less what they do with Azeroth, I think he just wants to kill a Titan.
    Yep.

    IMO, Final boss of 11.0 is Xal who may or may not die leading to Midnight.
    A prominent but not necessarily final boss of Midnight is Azshara.
    Final boss of Titan is either a titan or Iridikron, but Iridi definitely survives till 13.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    DH's can just get the same style of intro that allied races dk's have.
    Demon hunters for all make sense as a 13.0 thing because Sargeras is coming back then. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flan1337 View Post
    has anyone mentioned the Mr GM interview - they said we will get updates every 8 weeks leading up to the next xpack which doesn't add up to only being 10.2.5 - .7 hmm... could we still get a 10.3 with no raid? We know that we have to go into the nighthold maybe 10.3 will be a fated raid of the nighthold
    That would actually be dope. But they've introduced raids in minor patches too. 10.2.6, 10.2.7, 10.2.8, 10.2.9... It's not like 2 point 5 and 2 point 7 or 10 point 3 are their only options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    That would actually be dope. But they've introduced raids in minor patches too. 10.2.6, 10.2.7, 10.2.8, 10.2.9... It's not like 2 point 5 and 2 point 7 or 10 point 3 are their only options.
    yeah patch numbers confuse me haha but we now know we should expect 3-4? patches before the next xpack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Yep.

    IMO, Final boss of 11.0 is Xal who may or may not die leading to Midnight.
    A prominent but not necessarily final boss of Midnight is Azshara.
    Final boss of Titan is either a titan or Iridikron, but Iridi definitely survives till 13.0.
    I hate this because unlike Xal, or Azshara, or Denathrius.... Iridikron does not have enough personality to be....the longest persistent antagonist we've ever had. These long-term stories never end well, just look at game of thrones: GRRM doesn't even want to finish writing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniri View Post
    This wouldn't challenge what I think I know about the Titans, their intentions or the nature of Azeroth. It would be directly in line with the narrative they've been going with ever since the Chronicle was hamfistedly retconned.
    Yeah but it is somehow ignored. Even with all the "Titans are assholes" narrative that DF is going with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    Sylvanas was referring to the cycle of life and death when she said the world was a prison for the record. I doubt she knows shit about the world soul, and I dearly hope she's not relevant to this saga.
    Oh there's at least a 50% chance shes back in 12.0 since its her homeland. I imagine she will receive a hostile/icy reception, but by the end is welcome back in Silvermoon as her defense of her homeland has her redeemed in the blood elves eyes. She will never be a leader of the horde or even undead again, but a prominent ranger hero for elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    Because it was framed that the Titans might have nefarious intent for the world soul and the logo for the Final Titan depicted the same rings that imprisoned the Incarnates. I'm not a fan of it either, but that seems to be the direction we're going.
    You want them to be good guys? I think they are far more interesting as lawful neutral. Or even Lawful Evil in certain situations. Each titan has their own personality so I can see it varying.

    Eonar will be Lawful good, while Amanthul is Lawful Evil in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Like I said, Iridikron is likely the main antagonist there..
    Yeah that's what I'm suspecting. I'm happy it seems like he'll stick around a long while.

    I also have to admit I started working up some really crackpot ideas about Iridikron for a moment earlier (maybe he's the last titan actually, etc) but that was just me being silly at work for a moment and...well, I dunno, I do expect some twist at least.

    Also safe bet his den Harrowdeep is an area in revamped Northrend, or maybe even an instance/raid. Though it is kinda interesting to me that it may be in Storm Peaks (from what I saw, its north of where Wyrmrest would be and was based at the tallest mountain or somesuch) which is so heavily Titan-aligned after the Titans came. Very curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    But that's inaccurate.

    The prison is a stasis chamber / prison created using the powers of the Titans, channeled through / wielded by the Dragon Aspects - their champions on Azeroth.

    Nothing is for certain, but it is very fishy that Blizzard choses one of those prisons as a logo to go along with the title "The Last Titan", which refers to Azeroth historically.

    We've also heard a ton of hints and quotes over the recent years suggesting that (1) the Titans are kind of arrogant and single-minded, and (2) the Old Gods have already corrupted the worldsoul long ago. We also know from before that the Titans' go to method when all else fails is: IMPRISON THAT THING.
    Could also be technically a prison, and maybe even Azeroth herself sees it that way, but the Titans did it to protect her from the void as a safeguard. Not to lock her up out of cruelty, but fear of what could happen to her.

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    Okay, i predict that Old Gods sent by Void Lords corrupted Azeroth's embryo despite Titan's efforts to contain them. Titans facilities are also designed to contain Azeroth in case it goes insane.
    Old Gods turned Azeroth into Xal'tath. Sargeras tried to kill here before she grew up. He failed and she is free.
    Twist would be that we tried to protect the villain all this time and you cant help Azeroth, its evil.

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