So that MrGM interview alluded to additions in the 10.2.x patches that no one will be able to predict. Any ideas that might prove that assertion wrong?
So that MrGM interview alluded to additions in the 10.2.x patches that no one will be able to predict. Any ideas that might prove that assertion wrong?
I think it's possible (but not guaranteed by any means) that Sargeras initially wanted to destroy Azeroth's worldsoul in order to prevent her from being born as a super powerful Titan, who would threat upending his plans to create a Dark Pantheon and be unstoppable in the universe.
But then he had a vision of the worldsoul inside the core, and understood something significant about her.
Perhaps he saw her vast potential.
Perhaps he saw that she was being kept in stasis by the Titans, unable to do anything, and figured he needs to set her free.
Perhaps he saw that she was already consumed by darkness, and setting her free would benefit him.
We don't know, but it's fun to think about.
I think "The Last Titan" could refer to Sargeras or Azeroth, but I'm currently leaning to the former.
He doesn’t want to finish writing it because he doesn’t know how to finish it. He created too many plot lines and introduced too many characters later on in the story with their own plot lines that he has no idea how to wrap it up in a satisfying fashion; the Mereneese Knot being the biggest example of this.
Long term characters are not an issue and are not the reason why he doesn’t want to finish. He doesn’t know how to.
When do you think PTR will be up, now that it's updated to 10.2.5 ?
There is pretty recent information about this, from the Exploring Azeroth: Northrend book.
I wonder if perhaps Elun'Ahir left an original crater somewhere (the Maelstrom? Avaloren?) and they realised that life sprung from it. So then they attempted to recreate this effect at Un'Goro and Sholazar Basin, in an attempt learn how to control it?When Muradin Bronzebeard wondered why Sholazar Basin and Un'Goro Crater were shaped so similarly, his brother Brann theorized that it could be to see how two similar setups diverge over time, like a science experiment. Or that there was one thing the titans and their keepers were trying to accomplish, and making two different places to work on it was better than one. However, these theories led Brann to wonder what they were trying to learn.
It's strange, though. Because we know there's a corrupted World Tree in the Emerald Nightmare, right in the middle of Un'Goro. But Freya is the one who planted all those extra trees, alongside G'Hanir the Mother Tree, in the Emerald Dream. So perhaps Sholazar Basin and Un'Goro both had World Trees of their own inside the Emerald Dream, and the effect the Keepers are studying is that these sites would actually spring life around them, in the physical realm.
That's how G'Hanir caused life to spring in Azeroth after all, despite never being there physically.
It's also how the Emerald Dream has caused the Ohn'ahran Plains to be so verdant, IIRC, by proximity alone.
So, to summarise:
> Freya created a bunch of World Trees inside the Emerald Dream many thousands of years ago, including G'Hanir.
> Some of these trees are seemingly so powerful, they cause Life to spread in the same location in the physical realm.
> Some of these trees have also given offspring (through their branches and acorns) planted directly within the physical realm, such as Nordrassil.
> I'm assuming World Trees exist in both realms regardless of in which realm they were planted, since the Old Gods were able to access the Dream when Andrassil/Vordrassil's roots reached the prison of Yogg-Saron. So maybe Sholazar and Un'Goro both lost their "physical" trees?
More than that, when people call him the American Tolkien, they couldn’t be more right. The problem is, in typical English fashion, Tolkien’s writing was an academic exercise. Whereas GRRM’s writing has always been a typically American capitalist exercise. And he already made more money than he knows what to do with. There’s nothing motivating him anymore.
The Eredar in the Twisting Nether corrupted Sargeras, no wait.
The Dreadlords convinced Sargeras help the Jailer unmake reality, no wait.
Actually, the Titans are bad & Sargeras just wanted to get her away from them, no wait.
How many times do they have to retcon this man?Same thing. They're going to be dealing with this same problem by the time they get to The Last Titan. Starting a story is easy, ending one is hard.
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About Q'onzu, i noticed that in the quests with aviana he says something about protecting the great roots we are unaware of being as deep as they are, this seems to tie him in as a protector of the original tree Elun'ahir, that would also explain his different blueish color in skin and abilities and does tie in his desire for change with the pre titan changing nature of the dream.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
I wonder what they will do with Earthen death knights?
Toss them in the allied race dk starter area and call it good, toss them in the Earthen starting area and ignore it or make a new little area explaining how/why they were raised.
Looking back, Sholazar Basin is an amazing zone. It's starting to show its age a bit, but the atmosphere is great. I remember having a blast and feeling quite immersed levelling there, back in 2007.
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Anyway, I think Life on Azeroth has been seeded in different phases. Life (and Death) exists in different ways, because the cosmic force of Life affects everything and everyone in the physical realm (the Great Dark Beyond). That's why Life can exist not just as flowers and animals, but also as Old Gods and even worldsouls.
Phase 1
- When the universe formed, Light and Shadow clashed endlessly. Shards of Light were flung into the physical universe, and seeded Life on the worlds that they crashed into. One crashed into Azeroth and is now located in Hallowfall. That's when the worldsoul and the Elementals sprung to life on Azeroth.
- This is probably the age in which Elune first took notice of Azeroth, but eventually other forces did as well.
Phase 2
- The Old Gods crashed into Azeroth, which themselves aren't just (albeit rather chaotic) forms of Life, but they also created Life: the Aqir. This is why the Nerubians are the children of the First Flesh. The Old Gods were the first "flesh".
Phase 3
- The Titans arrived and won the war against the Old Gods and the Elemental Lords. One could argue the titanforged weren't living creatures initially, but once Yogg-Saron gave them the Curse of Flesh, they were. This gave us Dwarves, Humans, Gnomes, etc.
- As an aside, the Earthen of Khaz Algar were also infused with the essence of Azeroth's worldsoul, so they're sort of... alive in two ways, perhaps?
- Coinciding with this, many forms of life evolved as Elune seemingly manipulated Eonar and Freya into creating World Trees, which serve as a link between the realms of Life and the physical world of Azeroth. This gave rise to Trolls, Tauren, Elves, etc.
Is this thread hidden or something? Doesn't seem to show in forums anymore?
On topic:
It would be fitting for Blizz to offer Dragonkin allied race at the end of DF. I know it would make a lot of players happy.
Personally, I am hoping for a little more and perhaps getting a Forbidden Reach style zone with some corruption/trinket/annulet style rotation breaking effects. Doesn't have to be huge but enough so that if there is a S4 or a fated season, it gives a bit of varying gameplay.
Perhaps even go a bit deeper on professions and give farmable / unlockable recipes that do fun things from cosmetics to toys etc.
Outside of raiding there is a lot that can be done to make the game a bit more fun and varied.
You have literally no idea of any of that, because none of that knowledge has been revealed to us. You know Il'gynoth is a postule of N'Zoth, but show me the dialogue that says: "Hey Il'gynoth. N'Zoth here. Listen, could you pop over to Un'Goro for a bit and infest its World Tree? Okay thanks."
All of these extensions of their respective cosmic forces (the Dragon Aspects, the Old Gods, the undead, the Wild Gods, etc.) are all driven innately by the desire to spread their own force's influence in the world. It's just a part of who they are. So a Titan doesn't have to directly address Queen Alexstrasza and say: "Hey Alex, go bless the World Tree Nordrassil for me, will you?" But her doing so is because of her innate desire to protect Azeroth and further the agenda of Order.
From our good friend the knife, its literally a part of him.
We also had a full novel about Sylvanas getting told what to do by the jailer.It appears the prison of N’zoth is not as strong as it once was. What you see is a tiny growth of the behemoth that may yet consume your world.
And from the ultimate visual guide.
Nothing like any of this exist for the aspects as the titans were dead and so was Tyr there contact to the keepers.Archimonde raged and brooded for ten thousand years in the dark recesses of the Twisting Nether as they planned for a new invasion as per Sargeras's will. Again, their target would be the second Well of Eternity.
So again thanks for proving my point.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.