The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

Its kind of criminal there's never been an alternative visual for shadowform considering priests are stuck with it. I always hoped there would be a more bluish tint like that concept art of the Void or maybe something with white tones mixed in, like the Sha.

Maybe if we ever get MT 2.0 its something they can consider.

Ye, even the tiniest bit of customization shadow did get (Glyph of Shadow ravens), they ended up removing instead of repurposing.

A Sha, Shadowflame, Cosmic form would be sweet.
Or even a more heavy red toned one to go with the Black Empire aesthetic.

[Khaza-R]

If 11.0 is a Void vs Light expansion after all, I wonder if they would give the Light a vfx update as well.

Perhaps softer, less yellow visuals that don't fatigue the eyes. As an added bonus maybe it could be worked in with expanding paladins to other races.

[Cheezits]

It's just insane.
These effects are some of the most beautiful in the whole game.
I would see a new class on the theme of Cosmic Void (nothing to do with shadow priests).
I went to see what he did and this gentleman is doing excellent quality work. Congratulations to him.

He clarified that all these spells are in the game, but that the development team uses them according to their need.
The integration of a new identity to the Void is largely explicit evidence that the Void will be involved in some way in the next expansion on Avaloren.

I'm just realizing some of the words used here... FAILED potential is interesting, as is Jazz. Jazz would make a lot of sense as a music form attached to Void (due to all the improvisation) but AFAIK that hasn't happened before.

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If 11.0 is a Void vs Light expansion after all, I wonder if they would give the Light a vfx update as well.

Perhaps softer, less yellow visuals that don't fatigue the eyes. As an added bonus maybe it could be worked in with expanding paladins to other races.

I think part of it will definitely be making the Light both hues of yellow and white light. Maybe a final confirmation that Elune's astral magic is a branch of the Light.

[huth]

You're calling it vague guesses in regards to the Dream though, and it's just...not that. We DO have an understanding. The only assumption stands in regards to what it fully means in regards to the Titans and their utilization of the Dream. Hell, what part of the Dream have we explored so far? Has it just been the Titan influenced, Azeroth attuned dream? Or have we explored the Dream beyond that, but we just haven't much of it fully yet? Idk.

We only saw a small fraction of the Titan influenced Dream. We do not have a significant understanding of it at all, and i'm not sure where you even get the idea that we would. We barely even scratched the surface.

I'm not sure where you're getting the connection to Elune, either. There's no buildup to that whatsoever, especially in SL and DF. The tree is in the Dream because it is the most Life attuned place reachable from Azeroth, not because it has anything at all to do with Elune.


The Zereths don't seem to serve any other purpose than generatic the Cosmic realms, from what we've seen so far, so no, they aren't. You attributing random stuff to them does not make it so. They are very advanced and large scale automated factories, but they aren't anything beyond that.

You're not using a term purely out of emotional reasons, even though all that does is confuse the discussion. That's not a valid grounds. You're also injecting far to much of your headcanon into the discussion.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

11.0 about Titan stuff...MORE TITANS

[Kiivar86]

Also saw this post from an artist. They really are retooling the concept of the Void to make sure it's distinct from the Black Empire.

https://twitter.com/ez_wizard/status...xvHZHFljvN8ivg

Ooh. I've always liked the void and all but honestly really hated the general Old God aesthetic (aside from a few specific things like most of Xal'atath's appearances). So have them more separate now is nice.

[Khaza-R]

Light and Void being 11.0 is too early imo.

I can understand your feeling but I don't think that's the case. I seem to remember before Shadowlands someone asked Ion in an interview if it was the last WoW expansion. He said no, they had at least 3 more expansions planned. To me with Shadowlands being the intro to the cosmic arc it signaled that it was meant to be concluded within 4 expansions. Likely one for each opposing force and finale for the hypothetical 7th force.

Of course this was years ago at this point and plans change, but I still don't we are far off from the void vs light conflict. They sort of wrote themselves into a corner going into this and there's not many avenues to explore otherwise unless Dragonflight goes a completely different direction by its end.

Ooh. I've always liked the void and all but honestly really hated the general Old God aesthetic (aside from a few specific things like most of Xal'atath's appearances). So have them more separate now is nice.

I am hoping, although its terribly unlikely, that they give shadow priests an option to avoid the Old God aesthetics if they choose. It was never part of the original class fantasy and feels forced upon the spec. I would love if it the spec goes back into a more generic state where its up to the players to decide if they are a soul priest, or a mad cultist or a void worshipper.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

They planned for the 3 expansions doesn't mean its the end, its just how much they got done.

[Cheezits]

I am hoping, although its terribly unlikely, that they give shadow priests an option to avoid the Old God aesthetics if they choose. It was never part of the original class fantasy and feels forced upon the spec. I would love if it the spec goes back into a more generic state where its up to the players to decide if they are a soul priest, or a mad cultist or a void worshipper.

Does the current iteration of Spriest have overt Black Empire aesthetics if you don't choose Surrender to Madness or the Old God traits?

I would like a version of Shadowform that is more celestial.

[Cheezits]

Yeah yeah I know. My point is that Light and Void ain't one of them.

Turalyon and Alleria are brought back in Legion and Alleria AUTOMATICALLY becomes Void while the Child of Light and Void prophecy is brought up, which is passed down to Arator. Turalyon then becomes Alliance Warchief two expansions later, seemingly for "no reason" considering he skips out on SL and DF.

You sure Light and Void wasn't being planned in Legion?

[Kiivar86]

I am hoping, although its terribly unlikely, that they give shadow priests an option to avoid the Old God aesthetics if they choose. It was never part of the original class fantasy and feels forced upon the spec. I would love if it the spec goes back into a more generic state where its up to the players to decide if they are a soul priest, or a mad cultist or a void worshipper.

I would love that. Its funny to me in that I like the idea of the Old Gods but I absolutely loathe the tentacle and eyeball aesthetic (Xal'atath aside). Like everything from the Ny'alotha raid I hate (outside of how Ny'alotha itself looks anyway). I don't mind the shadow priests right now though, but I'd love variety.

[huth]

Not sure how Elune's Realm being the Dream would be headcanon. Seems to make a lot of sense based off what we know, no?

"Make a lot of sense" is not the same as "is canon". Especially when it is based on no actual evidence like in this case. We've seen a tiny part of the Dream, which is at least the same size as Azeroth, possibly much bigger. There is zero evidence it is Elune's realm, all your claims are based purely on supposition and assumptions with no factual backing. We also learned in SL that Elune's sphere of influence is much bigger than just Azeroth and your claim that Ardenweald and the Dream are counterparts is based on your assumption that the Dream is connected to Elune, making it circular reasoning.

Why wouldn't Elune's Realm be the Dream?

Why would it be? You provided no reason to assume it is. You just assume it is and then reason from there.

And the Cosmic Hearts aren't just factories. They're major sanctuaries that are also connected to the fundamental pattern of the Cosmology, and serve as the Hearts of each Cosmological Force. This is beyond the usage of basic terminologies at this rate.

No, they're not. They aren't even called that. The heart of the Shadowlands is Oribos, not Zereth Mortis. Zereth Mortis exists to fabricate the afterlifes. It isn't involved in the actual operation. It's not any kind of sanctuary, either. You're again injecting your headcanon.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I would love that. Its funny to me in that I like the idea of the Old Gods but I absolutely loathe the tentacle and eyeball aesthetic (Xal'atath aside). Like everything from the Ny'alotha raid I hate (outside of how Ny'alotha itself looks anyway). I don't mind the shadow priests right now though, but I'd love variety.

Or they could just go for the whole Shadow, like Shadow is just a shade of the Void. Not necessarily Old God related but close.

[Scyth]

Just saw the questline for the Infinite dungeon, its very much lighthearted shenanigans with Chromie leading up to the dungeon opening. Maybe it's a smokescreen for what happens in the dungeon itself, but maybe its a sign that Noz actually makes it out intact?

How/where did you get the quest? I can't seem to find anything about it on the PTR.

[Revamp Man]

so i just got a look at the mega dungeon encounter journal
we dont fight galakrond himself so hes likely still a possibility
with the fact iridikron was an ally of his i have no doubt he actually served galakrond and his end goal with the infinite is to bring back his master and allow his blight to spread across the planet ruining the Titan's plans

[Kiivar86]

Do you think for a MINUTE however that Galakrond, whose head alone dwarfs the Valdrakken castle spire thing, a being who also has no magical means nor excuse of shrinking his size mind you, COULD BE A FUCKING RAID/DUNGEON BOSS??? Think about it...

To be fair, did we ever even know that other proto-dragons like the incarnates had visages before this expansion? Because that seemed like a pull from nowhere to me. So I could see a sudden "well actually" retcon for Galakrond.

Not that it'd make much sense to fight him in visage form anyway.

[Shadowferal]

If they want to use that as a BS excuse, that could work

I posted something earlier that's what Blizz would call "current lore."

[Auxis]

Well, they already made us slay a Cosmic Lord, and with everything going on, Sargeras may be fightable in the future...so...

Yeah, kinda. BS excuses make anything possible.

I would say Jailer is on the same power level as a Titan, of which we've fought 2 so far. I know they said Titan+ for Zovaal, but all he really has going for him is Domination magic. If you look at Argus, he flat out killed us. One of the few canon deaths we had (Lich King being another). It took an intervention from Eonar to bring us back.

Yes, Jailer was going to use Azeroth's life force to remake and Dominate all of reality; but any form of magic would be greatly empowered if it was funded by a World Soul.

[Kiivar86]

That...huh...

I mean, he COULD have had one for Decay, but I doubt it. Seems like the Visages are only for the Aspects and their flights, as well as the Incarnates.

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If they want to use that as a BS excuse, that could work

Its an idea at least but not one I particularly like. Why fight us in visage form anyway, he could just turn into his usual size and crush us under a foot. But yeah, the visage thing for the incarnates just felt a bit out of left field to me. I might have missed something that said they could adopt one too, but up until that cinematic of the trio after they were released I honestly had no idea they could. So I figured if they could, maybe Galakrond too.

I hope not though.

[huth]

Its an idea at least but not one I particularly like. Why fight us in visage form anyway, he could just turn into his usual size and crush us under a foot. But yeah, the visage thing for the incarnates just felt a bit out of left field to me. I might have missed something that said they could adopt one too, but up until that cinematic of the trio after they were released I honestly had no idea they could. So I figured if they could, maybe Galakrond too.

I hope not though.

Given that you're flat-out told you can't defeat him, i'm not sure he really has a need to.