The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Treegdar]

Ok, i just watchted the epilogue cinematic.

This is not really any worse than for example what happened after Cataclysm, what with Alexstrasza hinting at Aggra's pregancy.
Heck, in Cata there was a whole big questline about saving Thrall's and Aggra's marriage and calming Thrall's emotion. I get that some people aren't sold on DF's softer tones but that is nothing new. It's just the general tone of the expansion.

Epilogue cinematic is cringe AF and not cause its "soft" or whatever these dogwhistles are. Its cringe cause its 90 seconds of awkward dialogue of whats supposed to be ancient mystical beings finishing each others sentances about the power of family and friendship like its some great lesson they want the audience to learn. Cata's cinematic was also not good for similar reasons so the comparison makes sense, but only because theyre both ass.

[Xilurm]

It would've been so much better if they didn't all finish each other's sentences.

[Cheezits]

I like how the Odyn cinematic ended. Definitely plays up that he will hate us when he thaws out, and likely will contact Tyr about it.

[Nymrohd]

I just want dragons to be giant reptiles that breath fire and try to bite each other's wings off. You know what I wanted from DF? That early scene we got with Razsageth vs Alex but in multiple configurations, maybe with budget Tiamat thrown in. And instead I got humans with glowing eyes talking about their emotions.

[Worldshaper]

There's some blood and death in the new chapter (before the cinematic) if that's more up your street.

I'm exaggerating a bit. I love a more nuanced story.

But this takes the cake, whew. No tension, just five aspects giving lofty speeches in slow motion about how great their little family is.

1. Why did Alexstrasza turn so quickly, leaving the Titans behind for this new path? I'm barely convinced by the story of Dragonflight, and I've spent a year with it. She's been an aspect for twenty thousand years. It's like somebody stopping me on the street to tell me about this other political ideology, and I say: "Sure, sounds fun!"

2. Why does every aspect look and feel like some anime character? Where's the gravitas in Nozdormu? When did Alex stop being regal?

3. Why is there nothing in the cutscene beyond these few characters? Fyrakk being defeated, giving a speech? Tyrande or Malfurion? Hell, nameless NPCs observing them in the background? It just feels so detached from any real event taking place.

[Jaggler]

Epilogue cinematic is cringe AF and not cause its "soft" or whatever these dogwhistles are. Its cringe cause its 90 seconds of awkward dialogue of whats supposed to be ancient mystical beings finishing each others sentances about the power of family and friendship like its some great lesson they want the audience to learn. Cata's cinematic was also not good for similar reasons so the comparison makes sense, but only because theyre both ass.

I'm not saying it's good. I also think it's rather boring tbh. (though as i said, i really like the small cutscene where they actually get empowered). Just saying that this is not something particularly new, considering, some people attribute it to the current writing team.

I hope they got their cuddliness out and get to work now.

[Nymrohd]

I'm exaggerating a bit. I love a more nuanced story.

But this takes the cake, whew. No tension, just five aspects giving lofty speeches in slow motion about how great their little family is.

1. Why did Alexstrasza turn so quickly, leaving the Titans behind for this new path? I'm barely convinced by the story of Dragonflight, and I've spent a year with it. She's been an aspect for twenty thousand years. It's like somebody stopping me on the street to tell me about this other political ideology, and I say: "Sure, sounds fun!"

2. Why does every aspect look and feel like some anime character? Where's the gravitas in Nozdormu? When did Alex stop being regal?

3. Why is there nothing in the curscene beyond these few characters? Fyrakk being defeated, giving a speech? Tyrande or Malfurion? Hell, nameless NPCs observing them in the background? It just feels so detached from any real event taking place.

Ah yes, the grant conclusion of the Elf storyline has involved elves so much this xpac.

Well they did add a side quest about how silly Shandris is to not trust Forsaken and how ashamed everyone else should be for being prejudiced against them.

[Raetary]

The problem isn't the themes, the problem is how terribly executed it is.

It tries to be emotional, but ends up very anticlimactic.
It feels preachy and like the characters are talking down to us.

As i said in another thread, i don't need Alex recapping the conclusion for me.
The entire campaign made it abundantly clear what the narrative was about.

Regardless of how good or bad the average gamers(tm) media literacy is, they shouldn't treat the audience like dumb children.

[Marlamin]

I'm exaggerating a bit. I love a more nuanced story.

But this takes the cake, whew. No tension, just five aspects giving lofty speeches in slow motion about how great their little family is.

1. Why did Alexstrasza turn so quickly, leaving the Titans behind for this new path? I'm barely convinced by the story of Dragonflight, and I've spent a year with it. She's been an aspect for twenty thousand years. It's like somebody stopping me on the street to tell me about this other political ideology, and I say: "Sure, sounds fun!"

2. Why does every aspect look and feel like some anime character? Where's the gravitas in Nozdormu? When did Alex stop being regal?

3. Why is there nothing in the cutscene beyond these few characters? Fyrakk being defeated, giving a speech? Tyrande or Malfurion? Hell, nameless NPCs observing them in the background? It just feels so detached from any real event taking place.

no clue just saying there's some blood and death in the new chapter

[Jaggler]

The problem isn't the themes, the problem is how terribly executed it is.

It tries to be emotional, but ends up very anticlimactic.
It feels preachy and like the characters are talking down to us.

As i said in another thread, i don't need Alex recapping the conclusion for me.
The entire campaign made it abundantly clear what the narrative was about.

Regardless of how good or bad the average gamers(tm) media literacy is, they shouldn't treat the audience like dumb children.

Yeah, I agree, that we don't need everything spelled out for us. Subtle hints can have a way bigger impact, than what they were trying to do with the ending cinematic.

[hattahat]

So what will Tyr think of the Aspects' rise to power, not by the power of the Titans, but by the power of Azeroth? If Tyr cared about the dragons at all, he might cheer them on and support them, but if it was all a trick and a play, he might feel sick to his stomach and regret that Odyn was right.

[Zers Editor]

So what will Tyr think of the Aspects' rise to power, not by the power of the Titans, but by the power of Azeroth? If Tyr cared about the dragons at all, he might cheer them on and support them, but if it was all a trick and a play, he might feel sick to his stomach and regret that Odyn was right.

I expect something in the middle in terms of the reaction. However their reunion will go, it will be used to tease The Last Titan particularly.

The recent story interview stated he's going to answer many questions coming from Vyranoth and the Aspects. That had become much more intriguing for me after the final cinematic.

[Cheezits]

So what will Tyr think of the Aspects' rise to power, not by the power of the Titans, but by the power of Azeroth? If Tyr cared about the dragons at all, he might cheer them on and support them, but if it was all a trick and a play, he might feel sick to his stomach and regret that Odyn was right.

He might be unhappy that now he has to fight against them, now that they aren't servants any longer. So he'll run away and tell them they must face him sometime in the future (TLT).

[Treegdar]

The problem isn't the themes, the problem is how terribly executed it is.

It tries to be emotional, but ends up very anticlimactic.
It feels preachy and like the characters are talking down to us.

As i said in another thread, i don't need Alex recapping the conclusion for me.
The entire campaign made it abundantly clear what the narrative was about.

Regardless of how good or bad the average gamers(tm) media literacy is, they shouldn't treat the audience like dumb children.

Exactly. Blizz has always struggled with execution of story telling moreso than having an interesting premise, SL notwithstanding. And this fits that. Ancient dragons working to restore there former power while coming to terms with the fact that maybe the old power and way of doing things isn't worth going back to is interesting. What we got was fast and furious style "family" speeches.

[Worldshaper]

Considering Tyr is the likeliest path to paladins for all, I doubt he'll become an enemy. He's probably just like Tyrael, and has the safety of the mortals in mind. A bit of a renegade.

That said, is there any risks involved with this transformation? For example, if the worldsoul is partly corrupted by the Void, and perhaps turns dark sometimes, , wouldn't the Aspects become evil?

I can't imagine Odyn taking this well. I think this will push him towards becoming our enemy, sadly. Him turning the key will probably involve unleashing something on us, or imprisoning someone else.

[Nymrohd]

Also how is Amirdrassil tied to Azeroth? Amirdrassil is a seed made of Night Elf Souls created by the Winter Queen.
Yet the culmination of its storyline is about Dragons and Azeroth?

[Jaggler]

He might be unhappy that now he has to fight against them, now that they aren't servants any longer. So he'll run away and tell them they must face him sometime in the future (TLT).

Tyr could also be "our" keeper, after all, the dragons and the champions of Azeroth are the ones who reforged him, and gave him life. He might struggle at the start but in the end, he might come to terms with his (new) place in this world.

[Nymrohd]

Considering Tyr is the likeliest path to paladins for all, I doubt he'll become an enemy. He's probably just like Tyrael, and has the safety of the mortals in mind. A bit of a renegade.

That said, is there any risks involved with this transformation? For example, if the worldsoul is partly corrupted by the Void, and perhaps turns dark sometimes, , wouldn't the Aspects become evil?

I can't imagine Odyn taking this well. I think this will push him towards becoming our enemy, sadly. Him turning the key will probably involve unleashing something on us, or imprisoning someone else.

I mean I can see Iridikron being able to take all of Ulduar down on his own anyhow.

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Tyr could also be "our" keeper, after all, the dragons and the champions of Azeroth are the ones who reforged him, and gave him life. He might struggle at the start but in the end, he might come to terms with his (new) place in this world.

I think we will get Tyr, Freya and probably Mimiron on our side.

[Jaggler]

I mean I can see Iridikron being able to take all of Ulduar down on his own anyhow.

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I think we will get Tyr, Freya and probably Mimiron on our side.

I could see Hodir as well, he seems like a chill guy. :P

Thorim going to be an evil keeper though.

Maybe Elun'Ahir was really in Sholazar and it's gonna be part of a Northrend revamp in TLT

[Nymrohd]

I could see Hodir as well, he seems like a chill guy. :P

Thorim going to be an evil keeper though.

Maybe Elun'Ahir was really in Sholazar and it's gonna be part of a Northrend revamp in TLT

My bet currently is that Elun'ahir is going to be the mid tier content of TLT and we will have to somehow use it to call Elune on Azeroth so she can back us up against Aman'thul. With Iridikron being the first tier.