The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

I feel like DF has fallen off with the quality of the pre rendered cinematics (the one with ingame graphics, not the full CGI).There has been way too many cinematics that are just 2 or more NPCs talking which is usually just done as a cutscene or dialogue between two NPCs in the open world. I feel like it being a pre rendered cinematic doesn't bring anything to the table and its much better for those to be stuff you can't actually easily do in the in engine cutscenes.

On other news: My Fyr'alath axe finally dropped last night

Tbf, the epilogue cinematics from this week were quite awesome, part of me hopes we will get another character model update that brings us in line with Genn and his daughter from the Gilneas ending.

[Makorus]

Does anyone else think that this line for Turalyon is a bit foreboding?

"I believe Lord Commander Turalyon has come to admire our discipline. He appreciates skilled soldiers."

The comment saying he could be Denathrius in disguise made me consider the possibility, honestly. It would explain how little he is featured, and it would basically be a flip on the reveal of who was controlling the Scarlets.

I am fairly sure it's just a callback to the Dracthyr intro where Turalyon doesn't trust them at all, and doesn't want them anywhere near Stormwind.

"He hates us, now he realized that we are cool, yay!"

I wish people would stop with the "X is a Dreadlord during all of these expansions!" stuff already. It's never gonna happen. The closest we got was Shaw being a Dreadlord, and the player being a Dreadlord. But the effects of that were minimal, to a certain degree, because if you make it affect more than that, it just seems incredibly lazy and like an asspull.

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Closer to the reveal moment we've already seen? Your use of the word "reveal" needs several thousand quotation marks. This is just buildup with no new information. Blizzard has demonstrated it's great with buildup. Payoff is the thing it struggles with. And without Payoff, Buildup is pointless.
That's well & good but if anything there's no reason we shouldn't regard Dragonflight as anything but the Worldsoul Saga's Prologue. Anyone who was accusing Dragonflight of being a filler expansion were 100% correct.

??? what an incredibly weird take.

"MoP can't be regarded as anything but Warlords Prologue!" "WoD can't be regarded as anything but Legions Prologue!" "Legion can't be regarded as anything but BfAs Prologue!" "BfA can't be regarded as anything but Shadowlands prologue!"

Arguably, Shadowlands is the odd one out since MoP, but other than that, yeah expansions have been leading into the next expansion for a long time now.

That doesn't mean they don't stand on their own. I honestly don't understand your point. What's the difference between a filler expansion, and a not filler expansion? It seems incredibly arbirtrary and just boils down to "I don't like that expansion!" and "I like that expansion!".

[Dracullus]

I feel like DF has fallen off with the quality of the pre rendered cinematics (the one with ingame graphics, not the full CGI).There has been way too many cinematics that are just 2 or more NPCs talking which is usually just done as a cutscene or dialogue between two NPCs in the open world. I feel like it being a pre rendered cinematic doesn't bring anything to the table and its much better for those to be stuff you can't actually easily do in the in engine cutscenes.

On other news: My Fyr'alath axe finally dropped last night

DF quality is going down whenever Alextrasza is on screen, and she is pretty often. Slooooow talking, no personality and discussing obvious stuff for 5 minutes instead of doing anything. And she supposed to be poster girl of expansion, compare that to Illidan in Legion or Jaina in BfA and how many iconic scenes they had despite having a lot less screen time.

On the other hand, quality was going up with Raszageth, Fyrakk or Iridikron on screen. Fyrakk isn't perfect last boss material, but at least he was entertaining. Beside that, whole DF is necessary calm before storm, cause after Legion->BfA->SL people were seriously fed up with end of the world scenarios.

[Jaggler]

I am fairly sure it's just a callback to the Dracthyr intro where Turalyon doesn't trust them at all, and doesn't want them anywhere near Stormwind.

"He hates us, now he realized that we are cool, yay!"

I wish people would stop with the "X is a Dreadlord during all of these expansions!" stuff already. It's never gonna happen. The closest we got was Shaw being a Dreadlord, and the player being a Dreadlord. But the effects of that were minimal, to a certain degree, because if you make it affect more than that, it just seems incredibly lazy and like an asspull.

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??? what an incredibly weird take.

"MoP can't be regarded as anything but Warlords Prologue!" "WoD can't be regarded as anything but Legions Prologue!" "Legion can't be regarded as anything but BfAs Prologue!" "BfA can't be regarded as anything but Shadowlands prologue!"

Arguably, Shadowlands is the odd one out since MoP, but other than that, yeah expansions have been leading into the next expansion for a long time now.

That doesn't mean they don't stand on their own. I honestly don't understand your point. What's the difference between a filler expansion, and a not filler expansion? It seems incredibly arbirtrary and just boils down to "I don't like that expansion!" and "I like that expansion!".

Legion is obviously just filler, since it lead from WoD to BfA

[Cherry123]

And so Tyrande runs and jumps on Malfurion like a 20 year old anime heroine. When a 20-year-old virgin Anduin with puberty behaves like a 10,000-year-old prophet and philosopher. Never communicates with peers and is a martyr like Jesus.

[Nymrohd]

Some of y'all will find a way to paint Turalyon the villain if an NPC says he likes warm bread.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder if the old "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy by Xe'ra will involve Arator in the Worldsoul Saga.

Alleria is super relevant in War Within, and I bet Turalyon's role will be massive in Midnight. Maybe Alleria does succumb to the Void, or die resisting it. Then Turalyon dies trying to save her or something. Perhaps she inadvertently kills him in a moment of rage and confusion. As a way to gain the trust of Xal'atath perhaps.

Then Arator comes along to save the day.

When Alleria goes mad in Visions, she kidnaps Arator into the void. Who knows maybe that part will happen in some way.
Maybe Xal does that to get Alleria mad.

[Nize]

Some of y'all will find a way to paint Turalyon the villain if an NPC says he likes warm bread.

Yeah. Turalyon's intentions are likely not nefarious. He might just feel Anduin has a kingdom to run, whereas Genn feels that Anduin will return when he wants to return. It's a matter of Duty vs. Freedom.

[Varodoc]

I wonder if the old "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy by Xe'ra will involve Arator in the Worldsoul Saga.

Alleria is super relevant in War Within, and I bet Turalyon's role will be massive in Midnight. Maybe Alleria does succumb to the Void, or die resisting it. Then Turalyon dies trying to save her or something. Perhaps she inadvertently kills him in a moment of rage and confusion. As a way to gain the trust of Xal'atath perhaps.

Then Arator comes along to save the day.

10000% Metzen has already forgotten about it, if he was even the one behind that plotline in the first place.

Besides, Metzen is probably wary about making another prophecy plotline after his last one with Sarah Kerrigan was universally hated.

But this is also what distinguishes Metzen from this New gen. of writers: Humility, the ability to acknowledge your mistakes and adapt.

[Cheezits]

10000% Metzen has already forgotten about it, if he was even the one behind that plotline in the first place.

Besides, Metzen is probably wary about making another prophecy plotline after his last one with Sarah Kerrigan was universally hated.

But this is also what distinguishes Metzen from this New gen. of writers: Humility, the ability to acknowledge your mistakes and adapt.

No, Arator was very likely always planned to be the Child of Light and Shadow in Legion as A) it wasn't Illidan and B) his father and mother were infused with Light and Shadow in the very same expansion. Now that Alleria is super important and Turalyon likely will be very important, Arator will as well.

The prophecy just hasn't been relevant because the focus after that was Sylvanas/Zovaal, not Light and Void.

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Also, something about how this line is written makes me think its an overt hint. It is a general "she rules everything lol" line but still.

"Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready."

[Varodoc]

No, Arator was very likely always planned to be the Child of Light and Shadow in Legion as A) it wasn't Illidan and B) his father and mother were infused with Light and Shadow in the very same expansion. Now that Alleria is super important and Turalyon likely will be very important, Arator will as well.

The prophecy just hasn't been relevant because the focus after that was Sylvanas/Zovaal, not Light and Void.

The "Prophecy of Light and Shadow" was written back in 2015, when Blizzard were testing the waters with Galactic Chosen Ones storyline, the first prototype being Kerrigan from SC2: LOTV (released in the same year). They likely intended to turn Illidan into a Light angel like Kerrigan. After everyone meme'd on LOTV story, they clearly dropped those plans and the storyline was sidelined with "Xe'ra is suddenly a villain and doesn't understand anything".

Read between the lines, it's pretty obvious.

Do you seriously, genuinely expect Metzen to remember a dropped plot point that they wrote back in 2015/2016? I've got a bridge to sell you in that case.

As for Arator, he was irrelevant in TBC and remained irrelevant in Legion. All he did in the last 8 years was get sacrificed by his mother in an Alternate timeline.

It's also unconfirmed that Arator is the "Child of Light and Shadow". This is your theory, not a fact.

[Makorus]

Them bringing up the "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy, when it was used as a "guys, prophecies kinda suck and don't believe in them!" plotpoint would be incredibly stupid.

[Ersula]

Them bringing up the "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy, when it was used as a "guys, prophecies kinda suck and don't believe in them!" plotpoint would be incredibly stupid.

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

[Cheezits]

I really hate that every time there's a twist in the story, players think it was a pivot halfway through the expansion and that we have the players to thank for that for bullying the writers. It happened with the Oathstones and Varodoc now thinks the prophecy was the same thing.

[Varodoc]

I really hate that every time there's a twist in the story, players think it was a pivot halfway through the expansion and that we have the players to thank for that for bullying the writers. It happened with the Oathstones and Varodoc now thinks the prophecy was the same thing.

The "twist" was that Xe'ra doesn't know what she's talking about, the prophecy is fake news, and Illidan doesn't want to be a chosen one.

The plotline ended 7 years ago, time to move on.

[Raetary]

Does anyone else think that this line for Turalyon is a bit foreboding?

No.

Turalyon is just a millitary general, and appreciates discipline.

[Varodoc]

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

I'm not even the one who first used the term "prophecy" here? Maybe actually read the page?

And what does your post even mean? WotLK? You realize that Wotlk is years before Legion aka "Prophecy of Light and Shadow", Yes?

Maybe it's best for this community if Metzen is back, his stories are relatively simple to follow.

[Ersula]

And what does your post even mean? WotLK? You realize that Wotlk is years before Legion aka "Prophecy of Light and Shadow", Yes?

You said "child of Light & Shadow." "child" is only the Valkyr prophesy.

[Makorus]

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

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What are you even waffling on about? The prophecy was a prophecy.

[doledippers]

Maybe it's best for this community if Metzen is back, his stories are relatively simple to follow.

not looking to get into a spitting match about Metzen, but just worth pointing out that he was the one who made the cosmology chart lol