The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Anyone know where this guy is?

https://www.worldofmoudi.com/druid-o...ilable-in-10-2

Did AI write this article? This is the most unhelpful wow site I've ever seen.

[Cheezits]

Did AI write this article? This is the most unhelpful wow site I've ever seen.

English is not his first language I think. But there is apparently a hidden Druid of the Flame cave and renown-gated questline (?)

[Gurahk]

If you're a shaman who has done the shaman campaign during Legion, Smolderon acknowledges you in the raid. Pretty neat.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No wonder you think other people are moving the goal posts. You can't even remember the bullshit you've said:

Here is you. Bringing up abilities in response to my original comment about general aesthetics.

The goal post was you brining up a set of ability’s, they didn't fit, so you tried to move to another set of ability’s you thought were closer, not brining up ability’s at all, lol.

Like I even pointed to you moving from some ability’s to others in what you just quoted not you just pointing to ability’s at all.

If you're really so desperate to save face you're gonna pretend that overlapping gamuts are the same as different hues in a range

again you are the one who pointed to them all being “within the objective numerical hue range for all three other spells you”, and guess what so are all of those other blues.

But again that goal post has to move right? Who knows what would happen if stayed in the same place for more then a post or two!

Lol. My guy. You have a quote right here, that I've quoted for you in this post I'm currently typing where your sarcastic argument was that Paladins and Druids don't have bright blue spells so covenant abilities don't fit. And here you are, half a dozen posts later trying to argue that "n-no, they're just very similar sets of bright blue spells, but not the exact identical set of bright blue colors".

No No your right, next time I’ll be sure to bring up the hue range in my /S post so I can sure I say they don’t have baby blue instead of sapphire blue, oh wait that would still upset you because there in the same hue range with many other blues wouldn’t it ?

I don't think it's possible to demonstrate a clearer example of goal post moving than this shit.

well we agree on something, though likely not in the same direction.

Yes, I called you on your bullshit about Shadowlands. No, you're not gonna try and slime your way out of it after typing this shit:

Walking a statement back when you get called on it doesn't make that statement a strawman, bud.

Huh that’s odd, I don’t see the words “I’m upset about anything to do with shadowlands existing” or “every thing should be taken out” any where in either of those post like you made up, how strange that is.

Blizzard (and I) think that some of them are thematically inconsistent. But again, that's not even what he's complaining about, he's upset that anything to do with Shadowlands exists, hence why he outright said that in the first post.

[Lahis]

Would be the first time they're working on gameplay tech/design that early on, but who knows?

This is the first time they are working on the expansion after the next one this early. Atleast according to the interviews they have given, Midnight is much farther in development than previous n+2 expansions would be at this point.

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Class skins are highly unlikely because of the amount of effort put in,

They literally just revealed Hero Talents that pretty much act like this.

[Well Done Steak]

Then your point makes no sense. If you only question it because there is another aesthetic it also fits, then you don't have a case to begin with.

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Sure, but you're always going to run into that issue with cross-spec abilities for Druid.

Another aesthetic???

What are you talking about? It is the night fae animation which implies it's night fae magic, which druids do not naturally have...

Like if fucking CENARIOUS started chucking night fae bolts then fine, but you know...

[Ersula]

Another aesthetic???

What are you talking about? It is the night fae animation which implies it's night fae magic, which druids do not naturally have...

Like if fucking CENARIOUS started chucking night fae bolts then fine, but you know...

You're putting way too much importance on color. Not to mention you use the one guy who has gone back & forth between Ardenweald & the dream more times than Kel'thuzad came back to life. Like the Winter queen said, they're two branches of the same tree.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're putting way too much importance on color. Not to mention you use the one guy who has gone back & forth between Ardenweald & the dream more times than Kel'thuzad came back to life. Like the Winter queen said, they're two branches of the same tree.

Hasn’t Cenarius only died once by the orcs? Or does he go to Ardenweald some other time?

[Well Done Steak]

You're putting way too much importance on color. Not to mention you use the one guy who has gone back & forth between Ardenweald & the dream more times than Kel'thuzad came back to life. Like the Winter queen said, they're two branches of the same tree.

This has nothing to do with color, Jesus Christ.

Spell effects have more nuances than fucking color.

Like you can tell the difference between frost magic and blue light right??

The way night fae magic is animated is very specific. It's to emphasize that night fae magic is night fae magic and nothing else.

That's why having druids use night fae animations FEELS unnatural and that they're still using burrowed power from the NF covenant. Because it's not something druids can normally channel.

Like you're proving my point with CENARIOUS, dude has died multiple times, gone through the cycle and not once ever used NF magic.

The only one who did was Ysera, the being who was infused by the fucking night fae Eternal.

Yet, the champion druid using night fae magic as if they're still actively connected and operating in the SHADOWLANDS is normal?

Hell no that makes no sense.

If, Cenarious made a pact between the winter queen and learned some kind of special druidic branch of magic, then fine. But until then, it make no sense for this animation style to naturally continue outside of glyphs.

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

Not blue death fairy sparkle magic.

[micwini]

We're discussing colors now? wtf.
Im glad they are updating the covenant abilities to fit the classes better. Some colors fit, but the issue is more so how the effects look.
I think druid convoke could've stayed the same tho.

[Kiivar86]

This is just a name for normal flight; Ion has already named it "BC" flight.

That explains that, then!

[Hitei]

The goal post was you brining up a set of ability’s, they didn't fit, so you tried to move to another set of ability’s you thought were closer, not brining up ability’s at all, lol.

The set of bright blue abilities used by Paladins and Druids? That I brought up because you claimed that they didn't have them? That somehow don't fit as bright blue? And the other set of abilities that are also bright blue? You making a claim and me refuting isn't moving goal posts. If you don't want to talk about abilities, don't bring them up.

Like I even pointed to you moving from some ability’s to others in what you just quoted not you just pointing to ability’s at all.

I gave you an even more comprehensive list of abilities and also showed you, objectively, that the first set qualified. Again, reinforcing the same point is not moving the goal posts. Do you even understand what the phrase means? Is that the problem here? You're just confused about what those words actually mean?

again you are the one who pointed to them all being “within the objective numerical hue range for all three other spells you”, and guess what so are all of those other blues.

Yes. Because you tried to claim that they weren't the same, so then I had to give you hard numerical data. Which you're now embarrassingly deflecting from and attempting to mock because you don't have any actual answer to being presented with other kit spells having the same set of colors. I get it. It's though having numbers in front of you. Then you make stupid mistakes like showing a chart of other bright blue colors, as if somehow that's gonna prove the original bright blue colors aren't bright blue.

But again that goal post has to move right? Who knows what would happen if stayed in the same place for more then a post or two!

Let's find out by going back to your original argument of Druids and Paladins having bright blue spells. Did you want to talk about that? Whether or not they have bright blue spells? I'm happy to have that discussion. I mean, the answer is yes. They have them. Quite a few of them. So there's that conversation done, and now you know, and you'll know in the future not to claim they don't.

No No your right, next time I’ll be sure to bring up the hue range in my /S post so I can sure I say they don’t have baby blue instead of sapphire blue, oh wait that would still upset you because there in the same hue range with many other blues wouldn’t it ?

Next time you can just not make up bullshit about what's in a class' visual kit as a desperate attempt to pretend you have an actual nuanced opinion. Then you could just whine about the expansion you don't like and wouldn't have to face the embarrassment of being wrong about stuff that's easy to check.

[Ersula]

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

But not fairies. Got it. You're not insane. This is a normal thing to care about. And it needed to be fixed, not the hundreds of other problems with the game. You convinced me.

[huth]

They literally just revealed Hero Talents that pretty much act like this.

No, they really don't and i still don't get where that misconception is coming from.

[Kiivar86]

If you're a shaman who has done the shaman campaign during Legion, Smolderon acknowledges you in the raid. Pretty neat.

Glad they still have small touches like this. Gives me hope that Xal'atath will acknowledge priests in TWW (and maybe us in general if we also did the questline in BfA).

[Marlamin]

This is the first time they are working on the expansion after the next one this early. Atleast according to the interviews they have given, Midnight is much farther in development than previous n+2 expansions would be at this point.

Sure, but that doesn't really explain why this would show up in the main branch of the game when they usually keep that relatively well separated, I feel like this might be more of a solo experiment by a single dev messing around that might or might not make it into the game at some point rather than a planned future expansion feature they're already dedicating resources to, similar to the Vampire Survivor scenario and a bunch of other things in the past, some of which never made it even when there's a considerable amount of work done for it... (Hearthstone Tavern I want you).

Dynamic flight itself also didn't exist in the first Dragonflight alpha build and that was an entirely new system, so these kind of things are usually worked on pretty late in the development cycle.

Then again, I guess they might just not care as much anymore about separation considering they've announced the next 3 expansions, but it does ruin a bit of the surprise (and 10.2.x ruined a few of those already). I guess it's a new world and expectations based on previous development history should probably be thrown out the window, which is probably fair.

[Well Done Steak]

But not fairies. Got it. You're not insane. This is a normal thing to care about. And it needed to be fixed, not the hundreds of other problems with the game. You convinced me.

Death fairies, nope.

I don't think it was top priority but yeah it needed clean up since it was lazy to transition the covenant abilities without detransitioning their animations away from SL.

Especially when they all pretty much clash since we're not actively working with the covenants anymore. Some more than others but still.

And I didn't start this debate, just added to it, you're more than welcome to ignore it, but it clearly matters to you too, sooooooo

[huth]

Druids aesthetic is leafy green, astral arcane, bloody animal strikes, etc etc.

And gold-orange and whitish blue, just like Convoke. Also, Druid uses the same colours for Astral and Arcane.

[Eldryth]

No, they really don't and i still don't get where that misconception is coming from.

It does seem to change up your animations to some extent, judging from the Mountain Thane demonstration. They got lighting effects added to a bunch of their skills.

Of course, we don't know how far it'll go, and it could get cut by release since iirc it was just a mockup... but as things are now it's likely that they'll change your animations and have a distinctive look.

[Well Done Steak]

And gold-orange and whitish blue, just like Convoke. Also, Druid uses the same colours for Astral and Arcane.

Again, this is beyond colors.

Night fae is not just "BlUE"

Those animation effects are very unique. You know night fae when you see it.