The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

It does seem to change up your animations to some extent, judging from the Mountain Thane demonstration. They got lighting effects added to a bunch of their skills.

Of course, we don't know how far it'll go, and it could get cut by release since iirc it was just a mockup... but as things are now it's likely that they'll change your animations and have a distinctive look.

Sure, but it isn't anywhere remotely close to what a class skin would be. It's more Glyph level.

Again, this is beyond colors.

Night fae is not just "BlUE"

Those animation effects are very unique. You know night fae when you see it.

And none of it is particularly far from typical Druid aesthetics. Your point doesn't get better by repeating it.

[Well Done Steak]

Sure, but it isn't anywhere remotely close to what a class skin would be. It's more Glyph level.



And none of it is particularly far from typical Druid aesthetics. Your point doesn't get better by repeating it.

Nothing in wow looks anything like night fae spell effects.

Nor the other 3 covenants for that matter.

The closest is bfa death magic and maldraxxus

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The set of bright blue abilities used by Paladins and Druids? That I brought up because you claimed that they didn't have them?

yup the ones that aren’t the same colour, well unless of course every blue “within the objective numerical hue range” is the same colour, which would really suck as we’d lose so many different blues that aren’t the same.

Oh and ya the other ability’s Paladins that we infant don’t have as we’re not talking about classic.

Do you even understand what the phrase means? Is that the problem here? You're just confused about what those words actually mean?

don’t worry you just gave me a great crash course.

Give some examples, those don’t match up, when pointed out don’t address it and move onto other examples, those examples haven’t been a in for years so aren’t relevant to what we are even talking about, don’t address it move onto the blue’s being in the range of Hues, its pointed out that a ton of blues are in that range and that doesn’t make them the same colour, don’t address it, Move onto them almost being close to the same colour and some being closer then others.

Yes. Because you tried to claim that they weren't the same, so then I had to give you hard numerical data.

you did in fact give hard numerical data, and that date proves they weren’t the same and were all just in the range of blue as many other blues which are also different Colour.

Let's find out by going back to your original argument of Druids and Paladins having bright blue spells.

yes they do In fact have blue spells, you got me. My /S comment was in fact wrong and meant to be taken super serious and I did in fact not point out the hue differences and how they don’t match up.

Next time you can just not make up bullshit

really how’s that going for you? I see you didn’t try and dispute you making up words and putting them in my mouth about how I want everything from shadowlands gone.

to pretend you have an actual nuanced opinion.

ah but every one try’s to express there nuanced opinions through short one sentence sarcastic post don’t you know.

My pinky is in the air right now as I sip my tea and ponder the state of blueness and what colours should be taken out of the colour naming list because they share a hue range.

[huth]

Nothing in wow looks anything like night fae spell effects.

Nor the other 3 covenants for that matter.

The closest is bfa death magic and maldraxxus

"What is a Wisp?"

The ability was perfectly fine. It's a small-scale version of the end of WC3.

[Well Done Steak]

"What is a Wisp?"

The ability was perfectly fine. It's a small-scale version of the end of WC3.

Wisps look nothing like night fae effects... Come on now.

[Cheezits]

World Soul Saga really broke this thread.

[milkmustache]

Then again, I guess they might just not care as much anymore about separation considering they've announced the next 3 expansions, but it does ruin a bit of the surprise (and 10.2.x ruined a few of those already). I guess it's a new world and expectations based on previous development history should probably be thrown out the window, which is probably fair.

Which would you consider ruined by 10.2.x?

[Vakir]

They literally just revealed Hero Talents that pretty much act like this.

Not even close. Two mostly passive (confirmed intention) trees per spec and, for example, putting some lightning effects on Shockwave, passively making Stormbolt hit more targets, etc. is not the same as renaming every ability, reskinning every ability, giving each ability an appropriate sound effect if needed, a new core talent tree background, 2-4 new ones for specs, etc.

It is, however, also a decent compromise for that wish list item. When people said they wanted class skin that invokes the full fantasy, that is not it. Dark Ranger is not going to be a full class skin. It's probably gonna tweak some appropriate aspects of the class that already exist, perhaps DoT effects, with some shadow or death effects. Anticipation of more than mostly passive adjustments is setting up for disappointment.

They said the real reason for Hero Talents: To give continued character progression without giving too many points in existing trees which run the risk of overpowered combinations or making builds too homogenized, a problem in pre-Mists power creep.

Edited to add, if it wasn't clear I mean mostly non-visual passives.

[Khaza-R]

World Soul Saga really broke this thread.

Just curious, what do you mean?

[Cheezits]

Just curious, what do you mean?

The reveals were so wild that the thread turned to stupid conversations.

[Khaza-R]

The reveals were so wild that the thread turned to stupid conversations.

I could totally do without the last 5+ pages of bantering over minor spell cosmetics but do think this is ripest time in WoW's history to have fun and speculate outside of the pre-release of the game in 2003.

[Nerdslime]

I could totally do without the last 5+ pages of bantering over minor spell cosmetics but do think this is ripest time in WoW's history to have fun and speculate outside of the pre-release of the game in 2003.

Yeah I am having way more fun in this thread/reading this thread in the last 6mo and still am now, post-Blizzcon, just for the sheer volume of wild developments we've seen and the stuff we have yet to uncover (Midnight features, TLT plot, when does Avaloren come in, etc). I think we're gonna have another big moment when this saga ends too, if any of us are still in these threads by then!

[Hitei]

yes they do In fact have bright blue spells, you got me.

There you go. Not so hard.

[Worldshaper]

I'm scratching my head over one thing.

Why did Blizzard come up with Amirdrassil in the first place? Couldn't they simply have revamped the Hyjal zone and Nordrassil?

The Night Elf souls could easily be contained in some vessel and and then be released in the waters below Nordrassil or something.

As for the Dragon Aspects, I'm not sure if they had thought of their new blessing at that point, but obviously you could simply write that story with Nordrassil in mind instead. For example, Azeroth blessing Nordrassil.

[Super Dickmann]

I'm scratching my head over one thing.

Why did Blizzard come up with Amirdrassil in the first place? Couldn't they simply have revamped the Hyjal zone and Nordrassil?

The Night Elf souls could easily be contained in some vessel and and then be released in the waters below Nordrassil or something.

As for the Dragon Aspects, I'm not sure if they had thought of their new blessing at that point, but obviously you could simply write that story with Nordrassil in mind instead. For example, Azeroth blessing Nordrassil.

Nordrassil and Hyjal were already night-elf held as of the end of BFA at latest, so you'd have no story. Which on balance wouldn't really be any loss either given how much of a turgid waste of time this entire chain of events has been, but it makes them unfit for purpose if you want to tell an entirely new story utilizing new assets.

You could have avoided this by not restoring Nordrassil (and bringing back Cenarius for that matter) back in Cataclysm, so that the new tree could be placed where it is and the new zone would be overlaid as a revamp Hyjal, but that requires ten years of forethought, difficult for even quality writers, let alone Blizzard.

[Pheraz]

I'm scratching my head over one thing.

Why did Blizzard come up with Amirdrassil in the first place? Couldn't they simply have revamped the Hyjal zone and Nordrassil?

The Night Elf souls could easily be contained in some vessel and and then be released in the waters below Nordrassil or something.

As for the Dragon Aspects, I'm not sure if they had thought of their new blessing at that point, but obviously you could simply write that story with Nordrassil in mind instead. For example, Azeroth blessing Nordrassil.

yeah... thought almost the same. I really like the new zone/music and story flow except maybe some cutscenes...
also nice that NEs get some new home actually with all those new buildings on the PTR

HOWEVER... I feel like blizzard repeats itself too much

1) night elf highborne pact with the "legion" -> nightborne pact with the "legion"
2) big tree gets attacked by archimonde -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes
3) orcs and portals and interdimension
4) arthas / anduin

I think it the problem is that you can utilise a race theme until a certain degree and then you are done. if you want moar then you have to repeat things
thats why I think they should focus on a revamp. to not create "copies" of themes

[Worldshaper]

Nordrassil and Hyjal were already night-elf held as of the end of BFA at latest, so you'd have no story. Which on balance wouldn't really be any loss either given how much of a turgid waste of time this entire chain of events has been, but it makes them unfit for purpose if you want to tell an entirely new story utilizing new assets.

You could have avoided this by not restoring Nordrassil (and bringing back Cenarius for that matter) back in Cataclysm, so that the new tree could be placed where it is and the new zone would be overlaid as a revamp Hyjal, but that requires ten years of forethought, difficult for even quality writers, let alone Blizzard.

I'm just saying, they could have gotten just the same amount of story content even if they just stuck with Nordrassil. It seems weird and convoluted to have two world trees competing for the top spot.

At least with Nordrassil and Teldrassil, we had that thing they have going on in Avatar. One "home tree" and then one "spiritual tree". No competition, both have their use.

What is Nordrassil now?

The Aspects don't care about it, because they hate the Titans now for some reason.

The Night Elves largely abandoned it after nearly sacrificing their civilization and thousands of wisps to save back in Warcraft 3.

The connection with Azeroth is presumably being downplayed now, because while there's a second Well of Eternity underneath Nordrassil, Amirdrassil was just super infused with power by Azeroth herself.

Blizzard has just created more problems and inconsistencies by adding this new tree.

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yeah... thought almost the same. I really like the new zone/music and story flow except maybe some cutscenes...
also nice that NEs get some new home actually with all those new buildings on the PTR

HOWEVER... I feel like blizzard repeats itself too much

1) night elf highborne pact with the "legion" -> nightborne pact with the "legion"
2) big tree gets attacked by archimonde -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes -> big tree gets attacked by fire dudes
3) orcs and portals and interdimension
4) arthas / anduin

I think it the problem is that you can utilise a race theme until a certain degree and then you are done. if you want moar then you have to repeat things
thats why I think they should focus on a revamp. to not create "copies" of themes

Yeah they keep wanting to one-up themselves.

The Burning Legion stuff in TBC wasn't enough, so WoD and Legion doubled it.

Same with WotLK, BfA, and SL.

Same with Cataclysm (which did feature Nordrassil a lot), Dragonflight, and possibly War Within.

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I'm just saying. Nordrassil could have been revamped, and gotten a new connection with Ardenweald and the Emerald Dream. There was no need for Amirdrassil.

[Lady Atia]

I'm just saying, they could have gotten just the same amount of story content even if they just stuck with Nordrassil. It seems weird and convoluted to have two world trees competing for the top spot.

At least with Nordrassil and Teldrassil, we had that thing they have going on in Avatar. One "home tree" and then one "spiritual tree". No competition, both have their use.

What is Nordrassil now?

The Aspects don't care about it, because they hate the Titans now for some reason.

The Night Elves largely abandoned it after nearly sacrificing their civilization and thousands of wisps to save back in Warcraft 3.

The connection with Azeroth is presumably being downplayed now, because while there's a second Well of Eternity underneath Nordrassil, Amirdrassil was just super infused with power by Azeroth herself.

Blizzard has just created more problems and inconsistencies by adding this new tree.

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Yeah they keep wanting to one-up themselves.

The Burning Legion stuff in TBC wasn't enough, so WoD and Legion doubled it.

Same with WotLK, BfA, and SL.

Same with Cataclysm (which did feature Nordrassil a lot), Dragonflight, and possibly War Within.

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I'm just saying. Nordrassil could have been revamped, and gotten a new connection with Ardenweald and the Emerald Dream. There was no need for Amirdrassil.

But Nordrassil was already always in the hands of the night elves. The whole "we need to search for a new home now that Teldrassil is gone" arc wouldn't make sense if they just ended up in Hyjal again, because they never left Hyjal.

[Raetary]

But Nordrassil was already always in the hands of the night elves. The whole "we need to search for a new home now that Teldrassil is gone" arc wouldn't make sense if they just ended up in Hyjal again, because they never left Hyjal.

The fact that they never left Hyjal makes the whole arc pointless and redundant.
They were searching for a home, despite already having a home right there in Hyjal, and have had for the past 10k years.

[huth]

The fact that they never left Hyjal makes the whole arc pointless and redundant.
They were searching for a home, despite already having a home right there in Hyjal, and have had for the past 10k years.

I dunno, have you looked at it any time recently? It doesn't exactly seem like there's major settlements there, or that there ever have been.