The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

The "Stay Awhile and Listen" now works but it doesn't add anything

It's a bit up to interpretation. Personally I saw it as Tyr not being overly happy with how things have turned out. He seemed to assume the world would be a Titan themed utopia once all the Old Gods were gone, and instead it's very much not.

Hopefully we get some more stuff on it later. Currently it's a giant ball of nothing, especially after a year of waiting.

[BaumanKing]

Where are Alonsus and Turalyon during Tyr's questline epilogue? Isn't it weird that Lady Liadrin is there, but not the last active members of the original Order?

[Ersula]

Where are Alonsus and Turalyon during Tyr's questline epilogue? Isn't it weird that Lady Liadrin is there, but not the last active members of the original Order?

The Legion Class Order hall was the Tyr's Guard. Alonsus & Turalyon were never formally inducted as members of that group. The Silver Hand was thematically started based on the legend of Tyr but only as a mythological figure. They don't actually care about Tyr & are busy leading completely different groups; the Church of Forgotten Shadow & the Army of the Light, respectively.

[BaumanKing]

The Legion Class Order hall was the Tyr's Guard. Alonsus & Turalyon were never formally inducted as members of that group. The Silver Hand was thematically started based on the legend of Tyr but only as a mythological figure. They don't actually care about Tyr & are busy leading completely different groups; the Church of Forgotten Shadow & the Army of the Light, respectively.

But surely they have more connections to Tyr (even as a mythological figure), than Lady Liadrin, no? And Turalyon returned to the Silver Hand again in BfA.

[Ersula]

But surely they have more connections to Tyr (even as a mythological figure), than Lady Liadrin, no? And Turalyon returned to the Silver Hand again in BfA.

Lady Liadrin was actually in the Tyr's Guard. And Turalyon wasn't. I doubt Turalyon even knew Tyr was real.

[Alanar]

The continues talk about Vrykul in this expansion and how Tyr talks about them. Also in past cutscenes and now the latest makes me want Vrykul even more. They are clearly the cool dudes. Humans look like total nerds now.

[Nymrohd]

The continues talk about Vrykul in this expansion and how Tyr talks about them. Also in past cutscenes and now the latest makes me want Vrykul even more. They are clearly the cool dudes. Humans look like total nerds now.

I assume the Hallowfall humans will also be closer to half-vrykul like the Kul Tirans are

[Ersula]

I assume the Hallowfall humans will also be closer to half-vrykul like the Kul Tirans are

That would make more sense but according to the released information they were regular arathi humans who went down underground around the time of the first war.

[Daniri]

The Legion Class Order hall was the Tyr's Guard.

Is this a headcanon you have?

[Ersula]

Is this a headcanon you have?

Where do you think Travard is from? He was literally introduced in Legion to create a cross-faction paladin order. Travard & his brother Galford were the only people who knew where the Silver Hand Artifact were hidden. It's unclear if the Hall itself was made by the Guard or Argent Dawn but they typically use the Silver Hand nomenclature (because that's the underlying motif for all these groups) but almost all the paladin lore in the Order Hall was administrated by the Tyr's Guard. Then the actual Silver hand pulled out of the multi-denominational order almost immediately after Legion.

So when I say the Legion Class Order Hall was the Tyr's Guard, i mean, it was a union of all existing paladin orders but the Tyr's Guard was specifically invented in legion to unify them into one group.

This is why it makes sense for Liadrin, a Tyr's Guard member, to be present during a Tyr's Guard meeting, but not Turalyon who is not in the Tyr's Guard.

[Daniri]

Where do you think Travard is from? He was literally introduced in Legion to create a cross-faction paladin order. Travard & his brother Galford were the only people who knew where the Silver Hand Artifact were hidden. It's unclear if the Hall itself was made by the Guard or Argent Dawn but they typically use the Silver Hand nomenclature (because that's the underlying motif for all these groups) but almost all the paladin lore in the Order Hall was administrated by the Tyr's Guard. Then the actual Silver hand pulled out of the multi-denominational order almost immediately after Legion.

So when I say the Legion Class Order Hall was the Tyr's Guard, i mean, it was a union of all existing paladin orders but the Tyr's Guard was specifically invented in legion to unify them into one group.

This is why it makes sense for Liadrin, a Tyr's Guard member, to be present during a Tyr's Guard meeting, but not Turalyon who is not in the Tyr's Guard.

You're massively misremembering what they were in Legion. And Liadrin wasn't a member.

[Throren]

Where do you think Travard is from? He was literally introduced in Legion to create a cross-faction paladin order. Travard & his brother Galford were the only people who knew where the Silver Hand Artifact were hidden. It's unclear if the Hall itself was made by the Guard or Argent Dawn but they typically use the Silver Hand nomenclature (because that's the underlying motif for all these groups) but almost all the paladin lore in the Order Hall was administrated by the Tyr's Guard. Then the actual Silver hand pulled out of the multi-denominational order almost immediately after Legion.

So when I say the Legion Class Order Hall was the Tyr's Guard, i mean, it was a union of all existing paladin orders but the Tyr's Guard was specifically invented in legion to unify them into one group.

This is why it makes sense for Liadrin, a Tyr's Guard member, to be present during a Tyr's Guard meeting, but not Turalyon who is not in the Tyr's Guard.

Except that's wrong, the only single purpose of the Tyr's guard was for there to be someone to show you how to get the Holy pally artifact. The entire duty and purpose of the Tyr's guard was to guard Tyr's tomb. That it, that their entire purpose. Travard, until Dragonflight is the sole remaining member of the Tyr's guard. In fact the player already helps create the reformed Order of the Silver Hand (the actual paladin order) before you even meet Travard for the first time, and even then that is only if you're a holy Pally, you see him once and thats it.. You dont see or hear any mention of Travard or the Tyr's guard if you aren't Holy. He doesnt even appear in the Pally order hall at all.

After the player Holy Palladin retrieves the silver hand from Tyr's tomb, Travard stays their to continue his vigil over the tomb completely alone as the sole remaining Tyr's guard

During the third invasion of the Burning Legion, the cultists of the Twilight's Hammer and their leader Twilight Deacon Farthing threatened the safety of their secret charge, and the Tyr's Guard requested aid from the paladins of the reformed Order of the Silver Hand. After they secured the legendary hammer at the Sanctum of Light, the Tomb of Tyr was believed to have collapsed with all its secrets, with Travard as the last surviving member of the order. It was later revealed that the tomb had only partially collapsed, and that Travard resumed his duties alone for years.

[Ersula]

You're massively misremembering what they were in Legion. And Liadrin wasn't a member.

Only because they were using the Silver Hand nomenclature, but then actual Silver Hand dramatically renounced their involvement in BFA, like I said. Liadrin is still in the organization, which it doesn't make sense to call the Silver Hand anymore. She's literally the first person to join. Liadrin never quit so she very much is still in the union. Which is why she's there in the Tyr meeting....where everyone else is a member of that union. It's unclear but Tyr's Guard is the more appropriate name for that union considering the Silver Hand renounced it.

Except that's wrong, the only single purpose of the Tyr's guard was for there to be someone to show you how to get the Holy pally artifact. The entire duty and purpose of the Tyr's guard was to guard Tyr's tomb. That it, that their entire purpose. Travard, until Dragonflight is the sole remaining member of the Tyr's guard. In fact the player already helps create the reformed Order of the Silver Hand (the actual paladin order) before you even meet Travard for the first time, and even then that is only if you're a holy Pally, you see him once and thats it.. You dont see or hear any mention of Travard or the Tyr's guard if you aren't Holy. He doesnt even appear in the Pally order hall at all.

Except the actual Order of the Silver Hand, the official church of the Alliance, renounced membership of this multi-denominational order in BFA, so it doesn't make sense to call it that. Franky, they never should have called it that considering the Argent Dawn was the cornerstone of the group, but they likely chose that name because many of the offshoots, including the Blood Knights, were originally part of that group.

Tyr's Guard was a cross-faction group meant to unify the different Paladin Orders, and Liadrin never quit it, unlike the actual Silver Hand. So to call this union, which doesn't have an official title, the Tyr's Guard seems to be the most appropriate.

[Throren]

Only because they were using the Silver Hand nomenclature, but then actual Silver Hand dramatically renounced their involvement in BFA, like I said. Liadrin is still in the organization, which it doesn't make sense to call the Silver Hand anymore. She's literally the first person to join. Liadrin never quit so she very much is still in the union. Which is why she's there in the Tyr meeting....where everyone else is a member of that union. It's unclear but Tyr's Guard is the more appropriate name for that union considering the Silver Hand renounced it.

the Tyr's guard were NEVER PART of the reformed Silver Hand/Palladin order hall. They show up to give you the Holy artifact, all of them die, then Travard the sole surviving member goes "We'll meet again one day" and disappears and we never hear from the Tyr's guard again until Dragonflight.. Seriously, go read the lore, it all on the wiki's.

[Chickat]

Idk why, but I have a feeling they are going to have some world content around Silithus for 10.2.9.

[Ersula]

the Tyr's guard were NEVER PART of the reformed Silver Hand/Palladin order hall. They show up to give you the Holy artifact, all of them die, then Travard the sole surviving member goes "We'll meet again one day" and disappears and we never hear from the Tyr's guard again until Dragonflight.. Seriously, go read the lore, it all on the wiki's.

No he doesn't. He's literally hanging out in my Paladin Order Hall right now. Tyr's Guard didn't just provide info on the Silver Hand; they provided info on ALL the artifact weapons. Tyr's Guard is also the original Paladin Order; that's why all Paladin order's reference Tyr's silver hand.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's unclear if the Hall itself was made by the Guard or Argent Dawn

The hall was more likely then not made by the argent dawn but it could be a half half thing.

The Tomb it self is first shown in the ashbringer comic but is just a tomb not a base so it could be the Tyr guard were arranging for bodys to be put there and then the Dawn retro fitted it into a bass base.

[Dracullus]

Idk why, but I have a feeling they are going to have some world content around Silithus for 10.2.9.

Silithus is rather obvious place for pre-patch. Remaining two DF patches must be Timewalking patch and Season 4, I wouldn't expect many content related to TWW beside some hints in questlines similar to Calia quests in 9.2.5. What even would be the point, best place to start this story is pre-patch.

And I know they said we will see some stuff before TWW launches, but literally same was said about DHs and Broken Shore playable before Legion.

[Dancaris]

Silithus is rather obvious place for pre-patch. Remaining two DF patches must be Timewalking patch and Season 4, I wouldn't expect many content related to TWW beside some hints in questlines similar to Calia quests in 9.2.5. What even would be the point, best place to start this story is pre-patch.

And I know they said we will see some stuff before TWW launches, but literally same was said about DHs and Broken Shore playable before Legion.

We still have that Baine questline finale. Put like 2 quests and we are good to go. Horde deserve no better amirite?

[Ersula]

The hall was more likely then not made by the argent dawn but it could be a half half thing.

The Tomb it self is first shown in the ashbringer comic but is just a tomb not a base so it could be the Tyr guard were arranging for bodys to be put there and then the Dawn retro fitted it into a bass base.

Id say it would have been a safe assumption it was the Argent Dawn because Tyr's Guard was basically invented in Legion, retroactively predating all the other organizations. I was just saying Tyr's guard seems to be a better term for the Legion Era union considering the actual Order of the Silver Hand dramatically exited that union. Which explains why Liadrin is at that meeting. I suppose they could have used Turalyon instead & made some comment about living history of the church but Turalyon can't look at a horde citizen without throwing acid in their face so I think Liadrin was a good choice.