The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, you can't make that assumption.

I guarantee you can’t find anyone except you saying that the void we see in any of my examples (N’zoth, Legion, Abberus) is connected to death magic or the shadowlands.

Space Goats that players have been playing as for almost 20 years now, led by a character we've known for almost a decade? It's astonishing that you can't see the difference here.

You’re still not explaining how Ethereals mean space/cosmic stuff when time traveling intergalactic space goats don’t.

[Nebron]

Not interested in a Light vs. Void expansion at all in the near future.

Give us Tel’Abim as a continent with Arabic and West Asia influences. Deserts, jungles, monastery’s, cities of brass, bustling market places and bazaar’s. Enemies such as Ifrit, Djinn, ghouls etc. Give it a MoP feel, grounded and exploring a new land. Bring in Captain Nightsquall who was mentioned this expansion, as well as his dread pirate fleet.

Or give us Avaloren as another archetypical fantasy world with a different spin as well as new races.

Keep things grounded please.

I love this idea sooooo much. I long for a place with aesthetics based on a real world cultures. MoP, as you have mentioned yourself, is a great analogy. Arabic vibes would be absolutely awesome. I think, personally, what I loved about Pandaria was it's exotic take on WoW - it's music, it's assets, it's inhabitants. Even the main theme was woven with "ancient philosophies" vibes and, let's say, finding "inner peace". That made possible for players to experiece more grounded themes. The whole idea of exploration of an ancient civilization, it's wonders and dark secrets - amazing feeling.

I think Dragonflight is trying to establish that "grounded" feeling again, creating, to a degree, a template upon which players' satisfaction is being measured and tested. And as far as I have seen it's pretty much successful in these terms.

I remember when Kyrian art was leaked before Shadowlands expansion was revealed, I was convinced they will go for the Greek culture for the entire expansion. Now I wish they went this path - pantheon of some powerful beings based on the greek pantheon, the River Styx counterpart as a central part of Shadowlands by which you enter 'the Maw' which basically could have been Hades. I'd love to see some major seasonal content feature revolving around "Olympic games". All the myths could have been so easily incorporated as side storylines there. Even "Oracle of Delphi" could have been such a nice addition to build up some speculation hype around 'prophecies'. But well, I guess it is what it is

[Teriz]

You’re still not explaining how Ethereals mean space/cosmic stuff when time traveling intergalactic space goats don’t.

Again, a void expansion is full of cosmic space stuff by default, with a strong possibility of us going off world to deal with the threat.

A Yrel invasion expansion would more likely remain entirely on Azeroth since Draenor is likely dead or destroyed. We also have Draenei as playable races, and Yrel is a known character.

[Nightshade711]

Again, a void expansion is full of cosmic space stuff by default, with a strong possibility of us going off world to deal with the threat. A Yrel invasion expansion would more likely remain entirely on Azeroth since Draenor is likely dead or destroyed.

There’s nothing saying that a void (Ethereal) invasion expansion would be so wildly different than a light (Yrel) invasion expansion.

We’d have the same possibility of fighting known villains like Rafaam on Azeroth as Yrel (who in all media outside of that 20-30 minute quest in BfA has been a hero)

Though… no matter if we have a light or void expansion there would be cosmic stuff, as just a “ok let’s only fight Yrel/Rafaam on Azeroth” wouldn’t be nearly enough substance for an entire expansion.

For either expansion idea we’d certainly be going to some cosmic realm or some other planet.

[Teriz]

There’s nothing saying that a void (Ethereal) invasion expansion would be so wildly different than a light (Yrel) invasion expansion.

We’d have the same possibility of fighting known villains like Rafaam on Azeroth as Yrel (who in all media outside of that 20-30 minute quest in BfA has been a hero)

Rafaam? Rafaam is just a greedy archeologist looking to get rich off of artifacts. He isn't connected to the Void in that fashion, least not to the point where you can base an expansion around him. He's mainly a villain for the league of explorers.

Yrel on the other hand leads a genocidal army of fanatical light worshippers looking to convert everyone to the light (and kill them if they refuse).

It's fairly obvious which one is the more likely villain.

No matter if we have a light or void expansion there would be cosmic stuff, as just a “ok let’s only fight Yrel/Rafaam on Azeroth” wouldn’t be nearly enough substance for an entire expansion.

For either expansion idea we’d certainly be going to some cosmic realm or some other planet.

Again, a Void expansion would not be contained on Azeroth. Not only would any viable Void threat be coming from outside of Azeroth since the major Old Gods are "dead", but having Ethereals as a playable race all but assures you're not staying on Azeroth for that expansion.

[Nightshade711]

Rafaam? Rafaam is just a greedy archeologist looking to get rich off of artifacts. He isn't connected to the Void in that fashion, least not to the point where you can base an expansion around him. He's mainly a villain for the league of explorers.

Yrel on the other hand leads a genocidal army of fanatical light worshippers looking to convert everyone to the light or kill them.
It's fairly obvious which one is the more likely villain.

Rafaam who was datamined with a void ethereal model, yes.
(Though it is listed as “temp” so maybe it’s not a final version of his model. https://www.wowhead.com/npc=190573/temp-dnt)

Again, Yrel has only shown up as a villain for maybe 30 minutes in total in all of blizzard media? Versus someone like Rafaam who has been a popular recurring villain throughout Hearthstone…

Again, a Void expansion would not be contained on Azeroth. Not only would any viable Void threat be coming from outside of Azeroth since the major Old Gods are "dead", but having Ethereals as a playable race all but assures you're not staying on Azeroth for that expansion.

Sure, I’m not arguing that a void expansion would be contained purely on Azeroth. But I don’t think you even read anything I said just went full on monkey typewriter.

I said a light expansion wouldn’t be contained on Azeroth.

No matter if we have a light or void expansion there would be cosmic stuff, as just a “ok let’s only fight Yrel/Rafaam on Azeroth” wouldn’t be nearly enough substance for an entire expansion.

For either expansion idea we’d certainly be going to some cosmic realm or some other planet.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You can have that opinion, the problem is that they're not going to be brought into an expansion with a ghost theme. They're going to be brought in during a void expansion, with plenty of space/cosmic stuff going on.

I was taking about the normal ones but as of legion they would also be perfectly inline with other void spawn so would be fine for a void expan.

[Nightshade711]

I was taking about the normal ones but as of legion they would also be perfectly inline with other void spawn so would be fine for a void expan.

I could see Ethereal factions like the Protectorate or Consortium continue to be used as an opposing force to those void Ethereals in a possible future void expansion. Hell they could be the “racial faction” for playable Ethereals too.

I was disappointed a little when they didn’t pop up anywhere in Legion, but they probably didn’t have the time or resources to make two different types of Ethereal models.

[Teriz]

Rafaam who was datamined with a void ethereal model, yes.

Again, Yrel has only shown up as a villain for maybe 30 minutes in total in all of blizzard media? Versus someone like Rafaam who has been a popular recurring villain throughout Hearthstone…

Is there any lore connecting Rafaam to Void lords or the void in general?

Sure, I’m not arguing that a void expansion would be contained purely on Azeroth. But I don’t think you even read anything I said just went full on monkey typewriter.

I said a light expansion wouldn’t be contained on Azeroth.

Where else can it go? We're not going to Draenor. If Yrel, Arrakoa and Ogres are fleeing it, there's nothing left there to defend.

Also we shouldn't forget that Blizzard can bring back this guy as well;



To lead the Arrakoa and Ogres out of Draenor, and to warn us of Yrel's impending invasion.

[Nightshade711]

Where else can it go? We're not going to Draenor. If Yrel, Arrakoa and Ogres are fleeing it, there's nothing left there to defend.

Where would the void expansion go that a light expansion wouldn’t?

Also we shouldn't forget that Blizzard can bring back this guy as well;

To lead the Arrakoa and Ogres out of Draenor, and to warn us of Yrel's impending invasion.

Nah he’s dead.
In the span of 2 years (for us), around 30ish years passed on Draenor and Grommash was an old man when we last saw him.
Since then, 6-7 years have passed for us, so that’s an additional 90-105 years on Draenor… even if he survived fighting Yrel he’s dead of old age by now.

(Also how would Grommash be able to leave Draenor? Especially before the Draenei who have flying mechs and space ships)

[Teriz]

Where would the void expansion go that a light expansion wouldn’t?

To the void where the void lords are located, or Ka'resh before it was devoured.

Nah he’s dead.
In the span of 2 years (for us), around 30ish years passed on Draenor and Grommash was an old man when we last saw him.
Since then, 6-7 years have passed for us, so that’s an additional 90-105 years on Draenor… even if he survived fighting Yrel he’s dead of old age by now.

(Also how would Grommash be able to leave Draenor? Especially before the Draenei who have flying mechs and space ships)

We're talking about time travel and magic. That's the easiest part to work around. The Hellscream that arrives on MU Azeroth could only be a few years older than the version we encountered in BFA.

[huth]

So you honestly think someone (casual or not) playing WoW for 5-10 years is going to view a race that’s been available for play that entire span of time as “alien”?

Alien as in "not native to Azeroth"? Yes. Especially ones that have been playing for 10 years since they've literally visited their homeworld.

Alien as in foreign to the player? No, of course not.

[Teriz]

Alien as in "not native to Azeroth"? Yes. Especially ones that have been playing for 10 years since they've literally visited their homeworld.

Alien as in foreign to the player? No, of course not.

Wouldn't they view Orcs the same way, since we also visited the Orc homeworld in that same span of time?

[Nightshade711]

To the void where the void lords are located, or Ka'resh before it was devoured.

And a light expansion wouldn’t go to the light where the light lords/pantheon is located?
And I doubt we’re getting another WoD time travel expansion where we go to a planet before it’s destroyed.

We're talking about time travel and magic. That's the easiest part to work around. The Hellscream that arrives on MU Azeroth could only be a few years older than the version we encountered in BFA.

Sounds like lazy writing lol. “Oh uh magic and time travel”

[Gurahk]

Nah he’s dead.
In the span of 2 years (for us), around 30ish years passed on Draenor and Grommash was an old man when we last saw him.
Since then, 6-7 years have passed for us, so that’s an additional 90-105 years on Draenor… even if he survived fighting Yrel he’s dead of old age by now.

(Also how would Grommash be able to leave Draenor? Especially before the Draenei who have flying mechs and space ships)

I think you misunderstood what happened with Draenor. Draenor during WoD was 30 years in the past in an alternate universe, the Draenor in BfA is the same universe but aligned with the current time on Azeroth, so 30 years later.

[Teriz]

And a light expansion wouldn’t go to the light where the light lords/pantheon is located?

No, because we're not battling the Naaru themselves, we're battling Yrel's army supported by a Naaru.

In a void expansion, we're literally fighting the void.

Sounds like lazy writing lol. “Oh uh magic and time travel”

I'm sure Blizzard can add some spice to it.

[huth]

Wouldn't they view Orcs the same way, since we also visited the Orc homeworld in that same span of time?

Yes. And they'd be right. That's not an argument in your favour.

[Nightshade711]

No, because we're not battling the Naaru themselves, we're battling Yrel's army supported by a Naaru.

This is a very weak premise and wouldn’t be enough to sustain an entire expansion.
Especially if players want blizzard to keep the same patch cadence & style as Dragonflight.

Which is what you’d probably say if I said “Oh we’re not battling the Void itself just the Ethereals that are supported by the Void”

[Teriz]

Yes. And they'd be right. That's not an argument in your favour.

If the argument is that the Draenei are just as alien as Ethereals because they come from a different world, it certainly does.

[Ersula]

Wow Varodoc & Teriz worked together to derail the main thread see you in 100 pages