The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nathanyel]

Wth is wrong with the top end solo content to be challenging??

I said "too", and meant along the lines of "needs high iLvl and/or a full group of the right 5 classes".

[Well Done Steak]

I said "too", and meant along the lines of "needs high iLvl and/or a full group of the right 5 classes".

Too is subjective, some people are better than others, and that's fine.

If you need 5 classes then it ain't solo.

Stronger delve rewards should come from difficult content. The harder the more rewarding.

[benevolent]

edit to clarify and tldr: he would prefer if high-end players would not feel obligated to run Delves...

Had to make an account for this because it's actually crazy, no high level player is actually going to feel obligated to run delves past the 2 weeks. Even if it caps out at hero track that's fine. No one in my guild (CE Aberrus currently 4/9M) needed hero track gear past the first 2 weeks except for a couple specific items, mostly op trinkets like signet brand. As long as there are no op trinkets delves won't be "required content" for any actual high level players and anyone who calls themselves high level and can get upgrades from delves week 3 is coping hard

[Murlocos]

The only circumstance I can see Delves feeling obligatory is if they're the fastest way to earn wyrm crests or flightstones, and even that's more of a midcore player "problem" than high end after the first few weeks. I use quotes because I don't view a typical midcore player as even reaching the point of needing aspect crests to upgrade anything before they've tapped out of M+ for the season, so it'd be complaining that your low-mid level audience is engaging with the game more.

[Marlamin]

TWW on the encrypted wowdev branch... oh boy.

[Worldshaper]

TWW on the encrypted wowdev branch... oh boy.

Woo!!! Only... 1-2 months to go until this news is exciting.

[Marlamin]

Woo!!! Only... 1-2 months to go until this news is exciting.

For you, maybe.

[Worldshaper]

For you, maybe.

For the 99% of us who want datamining to begin.

[Marlamin]

For the 99% of us who want datamining to begin.

Datamining is the devil's work, repent!

[Throren]

I just like seeing new art assets

[milkmustache]

Love seeing more adventerous tabards coming via the Trading Post. This new pelt tabard is incredible.

[Tetley]

Do you think they might be able to do asymmetric tabards? So far, they have all been and might be a limitation how the code was done all the way back in Classic.

An asymmetric Tabard of the Lightbringer with an actual hand would be cool.

[Woggmer]

Something I've pondered...

The Well of Eternity basically caused life to sprout all around it. Lowly creatures evolved, and for example Dark Trolls turned into Night Elves.

But we also know Elune liked to swim in the waters of the well, and right now the most pulopular theory assigns her as a member of the "Pantheon of Life".

So was it in fact not the blood of Azeroth which caused all of that evolution, but rather Elune channelling it as a font of power for Life? Because as we know, Azerite basically just enhances other stuff, whether it is destructive or creative.

Does this in turn mean that the World Trees were basically just Elune's way of tapping into the power of the worldsoul? Using agents such as Freya, Eonar, Druids, Green Dragons etc. to achieve her goals.

So World Tree roots are probably designed to delve into the planet and reach the worldsoul, which is what makes them the perfect doorway for the Old Gods, and also reveals to us why Aman'Thul hates them so.

We've already seen them infest World Trees, like the one in the dream-version of Un'goro. Could the roots of Elun'Ahir be how the 5th Old God reached the worldsoul and possibly almost corrupted it, thereby gaining powers of life and death in the process?

I have a slight theory...

Xal'atath's origins having multiple theories with the most outlandish being the blade was the remains of a forgotten old god consumed by its kin with the other theory is that it was a claw from Y'shaarj.

What if Y'shaarj was large and powerful because it ATE the 5th Old God (presumably Xal'atath) but Xal'atath lived on inside of him. Y'shaarj would then find his way inside Elun'Ahir and try to corrupt it through the roots to the World Soul. When Aman'thul pulled the tree (and by extension Y'shaarj) out, one of his claws broke off and that's how Xal'atath was able to live on again as a dagger.

[Nathanyel]

If you need 5 classes then it ain't solo.

And the intended audience is solo players, despite Delves supporting up to 5, so yes, that's not what is wanted here, glad you understand.

Had to make an account for this because it's actually crazy, no high level player is actually going to feel obligated to run delves past the 2 weeks.
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As long as there are no op trinkets delves won't be "required content" for any actual high level players

You say it's crazy and no one would do it, then provide an example where that would be the case anyway.

There just has to be one specific item that sims slightly above other Heroic equivalents, for that to be considered "mandatory farm", even if just for two weeks.
Even if it isn't that OP and just an alternative to a once-a-week chance from the raid, but the Delve item is farmable, then some theorycrafters will see that as "mandatory".

That's why putting the highest rewards on a weekly lockout makes sense, e.g. in the Vault, and by having it share the row with Dungeons, high-end players will feel little to no "need" to run Delves, while this doesn't affect the casual players who run a couple Delves a week instead of group content.
If they do use the Group Finder to gather a group for Delves, they would get less "gogogo" type players who are farming this alongside threlve other types of content.

Blizzard doesn't have to do it this way and may indeed come up with a better solution, but not incentivizing high-end group content players to run Delves would be beneficial for both sides.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I wonder if we will get SoO as timewalking or fated raid with old heirlooms brought back in 10.2.6 or 10.2.7.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/is-sieg...garrosh-334301

this was datamined back in july and nothing happened since, for me personally fated would be more exciting if it had some older raids too in rotation.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder if we will get SoO as timewalking or fated raid with old heirlooms brought back in 10.2.6 or 10.2.7.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/is-sieg...garrosh-334301

this was datamined back in july and nothing happened since, for me personally fated would be more exciting if it had some older raids too in rotation.

SoO over ToT? Weird pick. It's too long imo.

[Nathanyel]

One for TW, one for Fated? Not sure which I'd prefer, but the new/returning itemIDs for SoO drops might have to do with changes to make the loot compatible with the new upgrade system - which can mean either, but imho this points towards SoO Fated, and therefore ToT TW.

[Valysar]

10.2.6 is also on the menu since today

[Black Rider]

Woo!!! Only... 1-2 months to go until this news is exciting.

[Xilurm]

Oh cool, Fyrakk is out.