The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

I mean, I don't really know any Alliance fan that wants to be a bad guy. I do know several Horde fans that do. But this is all complete hogwash based on a couple people's obsession with the idea that a white religious man must clearly be a villain.

I think it was more the brain melting thing. Considering it's basically the only thing he's done since returning from space.

Literally no one who is a true Alliance fan wants to be the Bad Guy, or they would not have chosen the Alliance in the first place.

You do understand making a singular Alliance npc a major villain does not mean the rest of the alliance or the player characters themselves are villains, right?

(Also stop posting giant alliance art as if their visual beauty makes them innately good; that's how fascist propaganda works.)

[Varodoc]

Not a single Alliance NPC deserves to be villain-batted.

Not one.

Stop trying to destroy the Alliance.

This cannot possibly be the Villain faction under any circumstance:




^ That, the Villain faction?

Utterly impossible and ridiculous.

[Ersula]

^ That, the Villain faction?

That picture has a werewolf and a literal demon.

[Super Dickmann]

I mean, I don't really know any Alliance fan that wants to be a bad guy. I do know several Horde fans that do. But this is all complete hogwash based on a couple people's obsession with the idea that a white religious man must clearly be a villain.

There's some amount of people who do want the Night Elves etc. to actually engage in violence vs. the Horde, ditto who are maximalists vs. the orcs and Forsaken, which is fairly sensible. But the caveat with it is that it's generally meant to be one-sided and be an addition to the overall story where we follow Alliance characters in every expansion, not a substitute.

[Varodoc]

There's some amount of people who do want the Night Elves etc. to actually engage in violence vs. the Horde, ditto who are maximalists vs. the orcs and Forsaken, which is fairly sensible. But the caveat with it is that it's generally meant to be one-sided and be an addition to the overall story where we follow Alliance characters in every expansion, not a substitute.

As you yourself noted in this post, engaging in violence vs. the Orcs or the Forsaken is, by no means, "Bad Guy behaviour".

Night Elf fans just want Night Elves to rely less on the Alliance, which is a fair take, considering how they were introduced as an independent faction from the Alliance.

[Super Dickmann]

As you yourself noted in this post, engaging in violence vs. the Orcs or the Forsaken is, by no means, "Bad Guy behaviour".

Night Elf fans just want Night Elves to rely less on the Alliance, which is a fair take, considering how they were introduced as an independent faction from the Alliance.

Sure, you roll to be the protagonist. If you're rolling a human paladin, you want to purge some savages, that's part of the fantasy. But in an MMO that comes with the caveat that the savages are playable and represent people who want their own fantasy of being victimized by said paladins and striking back and/or being zombie or mongol industrialist invaders who get to kill said paladins met. The former without the latter is a non-starter, hence why neither happens and we just follow the most generic heroic archetypes about. Night Elf fans are another diagnosis altogether.

[Pyrophax]

Not a single Alliance NPC deserves to be villain-batted.

Not one.

Stop trying to destroy the Alliance.

This cannot possibly be the Villain faction under any circumstance:

^ That, the Villain faction?

Utterly impossible and ridiculous.

You wronged your propaganda pics. And forgot your CaNnOt pOsSiBlE bE VilLiAnS starter pack.








And THAT is total villians and should be eridicated, yes?



See, I can do it too.
But again, that is not a thread about AvH.

[Varodoc]

Sure, you roll to be the protagonist. If you're rolling a human paladin, you want to purge some savages, that's part of the fantasy. But in an MMO that comes with the caveat that the savages are playable and represent people who want their own fantasy of being victimized by said paladins and striking back and/or being zombie or mongol industrialist invaders who get to kill said paladins met. The former without the latter is a non-starter, hence why neither happens and we just follow the most generic heroic archetypes about. Night Elf fans are another diagnosis altogether.

Then maybe the solution is just having another WoD, where we can "purge some savages" and not feel bad about it and just skip their side of the story.

I did like how WoD story can be summed up as "Here's some orcs, go kill them, don't feel too bad about it, have fun!"

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Imagine posting pics from 10,000 years before the Alliance was even established.

Your agenda is plain to see.

Also, World Quests are irrelevant for the Lore.

Not a single World Quest was ever relevant for the Lore/Writers. They are literally just Daily Quests 2.0, which also had 0 lore relevance.

[Super Dickmann]

I did like how WoD story can be summed up as "Here's some orcs, go kill them, don't feel too bad about it, have fun!"

WoD ended with the guy who offed Garrosh a useless manic depressive, Grom declaring Draenor is free and then a few expansions later the draenei turned into killable baddies while Horde got to back the Iron Horde proxy in killing some of them, filling both the conquering and victim niche above. Though while I did have fun in the BFA scenario, I'd much prefer it extrapolated across an expansion.

[Pyrophax]

Imagine posting pics from 10,000 years before the Alliance was even established.

Your agenda is plain to see.

Also, World Quests are irrelevant for the Lore.

Not a single World Quest was ever relevant for the Lore/Writers. They are literally just Daily Quests 2.0, which also had 0 lore relevance.

And again, total ignoring BfA pics. Its your agenda is clear.
I don't like it, so its irrelevant. Classic of you.

[Makabreska]

WoD ended with the guy who offed Garrosh a useless manic depressive, Grom declaring Draenor is free and then a few expansions later the draenei turned into killable baddies while Horde got to back the Iron Horde proxy in killing some of them, filling both the conquering and victim niche above. Though while I did have fun in the BFA scenario, though I'd much prefer it extrapolated across an expansion.

I just like WoD as a clear example that original orcs didn't even need demon blood to go full genocidal.

[Super Dickmann]

I just like WoD as a clear example that original orcs didn't even need demon blood to go full genocidal.

Warlike people being given inexplicably high tech and the de facto mandate of heaven from a prophet figure going at it. WoD had great worldbuilding, especially with Chronicle Vol. 2 added in and did more with the orc clans than had been done since WC2. The main story was of course, retarded, bringing back Gul'dan aside, but harmless and ultimately importing the setting details to the MU Horde was the best choice made in BFA as regards the orcs and the faction at large.

[Nightshade711]

Isn't 10.2.6 just going to drop? I don't think we're going to get any warning / news.

Maintenance is Monday this week instead of Tuesday which I thought was a bit weird.
Maybe patch drop Tuesday? (Or next week at most if we do the 8-weeks math)

[Makabreska]

Doubt there will be completely no heads-up regarding the patch drop.

[Nightshade711]

You wronged your propaganda pics. And forgot your CaNnOt pOsSiBlE bE VilLiAnS starter pack.








And THAT is total villians and should be eridicated, yes?



See, I can do it too.
But again, that is not a thread about AvH.

War of the ancients wasn’t the alliance, neither are the Druids of the flame.
Also the purge squad thing was cut before it went live I’m pretty sure.

[Varodoc]

War of the ancients wasn’t the alliance, neither are the Druids of the flame.
Also the purge squad thing was cut before it went live I’m pretty sure.

Yeah, the Purge Squad didn't make it to live, so that post is pushing a false agenda.

The Purge Squad was replaced by 7th Legion troops for Launch.

The finished product makes much more sense and is in line with the Alliance's objectives. The Alliance attacked the Vulpera because they were being hired by the Horde to smuggle supplies to Zuldazar, when the Alliance was planning to besiege the city:

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Stop_the_Shipments


And, again, it's the 7th Legion that conducts those strikes, not some boogey boogey scary pUrGe SqUaD.

Alliance Purge Squads are not Canon and were just some random intern playing around with the assets or whatever.

[Ersula]

Yeah, the Purge Squad didn't make it to live, so that post is pushing a false agenda.

The Purge Squad was replaced by 7th Legion troops for Launch.

The finished product makes much more sense and is in line with the Alliance's objectives. The Alliance attacked the Vulpera because they were being hired by the Horde to smuggle supplies to Zuldazar, when the Alliance was planning to besiege the city:

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Stop_the_Shipments


And, again, it's the 7th Legion that conducts those strikes, not some boogey boogey scary pUrGe SqUaD.

Alliance Purge Squads are not Canon and were just some random intern playing around with the assets or whatever.

...so the only difference is the name. They're still setting an indigenous people on fire because they're hired to do a very normal thing. Do you also think it's fine to fire on humanitarian aid trucks?

[Varodoc]

...so the only difference is the name. They're still setting an indigenous people on fire because they're hired to do a very normal thing. Do you also think it's fine to fire on humanitarian aid trucks?

Oh Goodness, you're one of those Twitter users, aren't you?

Anyway, No, the Vulpera were not doing "humanitarian aid" LMFAO, they were giving supplies to the Horde during a world war time.

[Ersula]

Oh Goodness, you're one of those Twitter users, are you?

Anyway, No, the Vulpera were not doing "humanitarian aid" LMFAO, they were giving supplies to the Horde during a world war time.

That's what humanitarian aid trucks do. Food, medicine, etc. That's what supplies means.

[allegrian]

You should stop with this faction partisan discussion, it's very cringey and we're not in BFA anymore.