The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

I wonder if the old "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy by Xe'ra will involve Arator in the Worldsoul Saga.

Alleria is super relevant in War Within, and I bet Turalyon's role will be massive in Midnight. Maybe Alleria does succumb to the Void, or die resisting it. Then Turalyon dies trying to save her or something. Perhaps she inadvertently kills him in a moment of rage and confusion. As a way to gain the trust of Xal'atath perhaps.

Then Arator comes along to save the day.

[Nymrohd]

I wonder if the old "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy by Xe'ra will involve Arator in the Worldsoul Saga.

Alleria is super relevant in War Within, and I bet Turalyon's role will be massive in Midnight. Maybe Alleria does succumb to the Void, or die resisting it. Then Turalyon dies trying to save her or something. Perhaps she inadvertently kills him in a moment of rage and confusion. As a way to gain the trust of Xal'atath perhaps.

Then Arator comes along to save the day.

When Alleria goes mad in Visions, she kidnaps Arator into the void. Who knows maybe that part will happen in some way.
Maybe Xal does that to get Alleria mad.

[Nize]

Some of y'all will find a way to paint Turalyon the villain if an NPC says he likes warm bread.

Yeah. Turalyon's intentions are likely not nefarious. He might just feel Anduin has a kingdom to run, whereas Genn feels that Anduin will return when he wants to return. It's a matter of Duty vs. Freedom.

[Varodoc]

I wonder if the old "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy by Xe'ra will involve Arator in the Worldsoul Saga.

Alleria is super relevant in War Within, and I bet Turalyon's role will be massive in Midnight. Maybe Alleria does succumb to the Void, or die resisting it. Then Turalyon dies trying to save her or something. Perhaps she inadvertently kills him in a moment of rage and confusion. As a way to gain the trust of Xal'atath perhaps.

Then Arator comes along to save the day.

10000% Metzen has already forgotten about it, if he was even the one behind that plotline in the first place.

Besides, Metzen is probably wary about making another prophecy plotline after his last one with Sarah Kerrigan was universally hated.

But this is also what distinguishes Metzen from this New gen. of writers: Humility, the ability to acknowledge your mistakes and adapt.

[Cheezits]

10000% Metzen has already forgotten about it, if he was even the one behind that plotline in the first place.

Besides, Metzen is probably wary about making another prophecy plotline after his last one with Sarah Kerrigan was universally hated.

But this is also what distinguishes Metzen from this New gen. of writers: Humility, the ability to acknowledge your mistakes and adapt.

No, Arator was very likely always planned to be the Child of Light and Shadow in Legion as A) it wasn't Illidan and B) his father and mother were infused with Light and Shadow in the very same expansion. Now that Alleria is super important and Turalyon likely will be very important, Arator will as well.

The prophecy just hasn't been relevant because the focus after that was Sylvanas/Zovaal, not Light and Void.

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Also, something about how this line is written makes me think its an overt hint. It is a general "she rules everything lol" line but still.

"Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready."

[Varodoc]

No, Arator was very likely always planned to be the Child of Light and Shadow in Legion as A) it wasn't Illidan and B) his father and mother were infused with Light and Shadow in the very same expansion. Now that Alleria is super important and Turalyon likely will be very important, Arator will as well.

The prophecy just hasn't been relevant because the focus after that was Sylvanas/Zovaal, not Light and Void.

The "Prophecy of Light and Shadow" was written back in 2015, when Blizzard were testing the waters with Galactic Chosen Ones storyline, the first prototype being Kerrigan from SC2: LOTV (released in the same year). They likely intended to turn Illidan into a Light angel like Kerrigan. After everyone meme'd on LOTV story, they clearly dropped those plans and the storyline was sidelined with "Xe'ra is suddenly a villain and doesn't understand anything".

Read between the lines, it's pretty obvious.

Do you seriously, genuinely expect Metzen to remember a dropped plot point that they wrote back in 2015/2016? I've got a bridge to sell you in that case.

As for Arator, he was irrelevant in TBC and remained irrelevant in Legion. All he did in the last 8 years was get sacrificed by his mother in an Alternate timeline.

It's also unconfirmed that Arator is the "Child of Light and Shadow". This is your theory, not a fact.

[Makorus]

Them bringing up the "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy, when it was used as a "guys, prophecies kinda suck and don't believe in them!" plotpoint would be incredibly stupid.

[Ersula]

Them bringing up the "child of Light and Shadow" prophecy, when it was used as a "guys, prophecies kinda suck and don't believe in them!" plotpoint would be incredibly stupid.

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

[Cheezits]

I really hate that every time there's a twist in the story, players think it was a pivot halfway through the expansion and that we have the players to thank for that for bullying the writers. It happened with the Oathstones and Varodoc now thinks the prophecy was the same thing.

[Varodoc]

I really hate that every time there's a twist in the story, players think it was a pivot halfway through the expansion and that we have the players to thank for that for bullying the writers. It happened with the Oathstones and Varodoc now thinks the prophecy was the same thing.

The "twist" was that Xe'ra doesn't know what she's talking about, the prophecy is fake news, and Illidan doesn't want to be a chosen one.

The plotline ended 7 years ago, time to move on.

[Raetary]

Does anyone else think that this line for Turalyon is a bit foreboding?

No.

Turalyon is just a millitary general, and appreciates discipline.

[Varodoc]

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

I'm not even the one who first used the term "prophecy" here? Maybe actually read the page?

And what does your post even mean? WotLK? You realize that Wotlk is years before Legion aka "Prophecy of Light and Shadow", Yes?

Maybe it's best for this community if Metzen is back, his stories are relatively simple to follow.

[Ersula]

And what does your post even mean? WotLK? You realize that Wotlk is years before Legion aka "Prophecy of Light and Shadow", Yes?

You said "child of Light & Shadow." "child" is only the Valkyr prophesy.

[Makorus]

I mean, "the jailer is just looking for someone with light magic" was the payoff for that. It was Arthas, and then Sylvanas, but in actuality it was Anduin. Varodoc is ignoring that prophesy wasn't really a prophesy, it was just a Quest title. And then that phrase wasn't used again until Wotlk when it was just the Vrykul's rationality for who they were looking for.

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What are you even waffling on about? The prophecy was a prophecy.

[doledippers]

Maybe it's best for this community if Metzen is back, his stories are relatively simple to follow.

not looking to get into a spitting match about Metzen, but just worth pointing out that he was the one who made the cosmology chart lol

[Varodoc]

not looking to get into a spitting match about Metzen, but just worth pointing out that he was the one who made the cosmology chart lol

The Cosmology chart that Metzen created is simple to follow. It only looks complicated at a first glance.

Metzen's Cosmology chart simply established, once and for all, which powers and beings belong to which aspect of the setting.

If anything, it helped to tidy up the lore and remove ambiguity. It was Danuser and the New team that overcomplicated everything with this "It's just the Titans' viewpoint!!!" nonsense, because they didn't want to follow Metzen's rules.

It's not the Cosmology chart that complicated the lore; the Cosmology chart was simply that: a chart. It simply ordered the way the Warcraft setting is structured.

It's all the New nonsense like in-game Ny'alotha (where even is this place?) or this whole Zereth nonsense that muddied everything, by actually making the Cosmology chart just another set of boring zones that are functionally identical to Westfall from 2004.

[Zers Editor]

And so Tyrande runs and jumps on Malfurion like a 20 year old anime heroine. When a 20-year-old virgin Anduin with puberty behaves like a 10,000-year-old prophet and philosopher. Never communicates with peers and is a martyr like Jesus.

I wonder if his main thing in the saga will be learning to do that. May as well make another Wrynn/Prestor/Fordragon trio out of him, Wrathion and Taelia.

[Lady Atia]

And so Tyrande runs and jumps on Malfurion like a 20 year old anime heroine. When a 20-year-old virgin Anduin with puberty behaves like a 10,000-year-old prophet and philosopher. Never communicates with peers and is a martyr like Jesus.

I would do the same if my partner has to spend a whole Expansion in the Shadowlands. I thought the cinematic was super cute, actually made me tear up a bit.

[Murlocos]

Chronicle Volume 4 just showed up on Amazon. Covers MoP through SL with a release date of July 16th.

[Worldshaper]

Metzen returns.
Chronicles resumes.

Still "just the Titan POV," I wonder?