The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Usagi Senshi]

This is what ruins the delves for me, no gearing allowed past Heroic Raid level or Mythic +15. Why can't new game systems EVER allow for gear on the higher end? Honestly, it does NOT have to be soooooooooooo lucrative that we're s***ing gear, but come on now, why don't casual players ever get anything good to strive for? What is the worry here? Too much gear?... just make a weekly lockout. Content too easy?... just tune appropriately. Can somebody explain Blizzard's thinking here?

You can do anything in the game with normal or heroic level gear though. I believe being able to eventually gear our any of your characters through a solo option with heroic level gear is more then generous and worth my time. Raids and M+ will still have specialty gear but thats to be expected considering it'll be harder content by comparison.

[Valysar]

I think I no longer have the same expectations as I did back then.

"Back in the days" everything was fine, I was never complaining, now all I can think is that Blizzard became a lazy company, they rely on what they know how to do,
I'm still having fun, but the fun doesn't last as long as before (especially DF, every patchs are the same and all public events are boring, only megadungeons are super fun).

I just hope 10.2.6 brings something new and exciting.

[Lady Atia]

Are you just here to defend Blizzard all day or what? Bro the content is SOULLESS there is nothing to do that makes any sense in a videogame only if it was a facebook game or some shit.. if you dont m+ or raid what the hell can you even do? you can go out and farm transmog that looks like shit on 90% of the races.. farm rep for strange rewards that are BORING its soul suckingly boring to do anything that isnt raiding or m+.. mounts are fine to get but what the hell am i supposed to GAME outside of dungeons and raiding huh.. and dont start listing all the soulless content..

I want COOL FULL transmog sets that are hard to get either by solo or in group for starters OR unique weapon models. But no lets make a 100 weird bad maces axes and staffs silly transmog sets for the diversity crowd.

What? Dragonflight literally added the elite transmog for each tier tint available only via the highest achievements of their m+/raid/pvp section, aswell as the hardmode megadungeon transmog (which is easy to get now but was quite a nice challenge initialy). Which is far more "unique fomo" transmog that's hard to get by than we usually got in the past. Yes, Legion had the weapons but armor was only available via elite pvp.

Edit: Oh, I actually didn't see you are only a solo/open world player - in that case, what are you expecting?? They are already giving out some nice transmogs with the open world tints which are on par with Shadowlands raid sets.

[Annihilas]

Because then Mythic raids or anything past High-end Mythic+ keystones would become obsolete routes for gear. There'd be no point to do them if we can just get the same ilvl gear in Delves. It won't be much a challenge considering you'll have an AI partner to help you out and you can customize them to suit your playstyle and how you want to get through a Delve (according what Blizzard said)

Plus the high-end crowd would throw a huge fit at the idea of Mythic level gear being given out like candy to people who don't raid or do mythic+ (I don't agree with the sentiment, that's really the case they always make and fall back on.)

You can do anything in the game with normal or heroic level gear though. I believe being able to eventually gear our any of your characters through a solo option with heroic level gear is more then generous and worth my time. Raids and M+ will still have specialty gear but thats to be expected considering it'll be harder content by comparison.

This is where I disagree: All Blizzard has to do is turn up the difficulty. Horrific Visions pulled it off, why couldn't Delves?

[Reive]

I think I no longer have the same expectations as I did back then.

"Back in the days" everything was fine, I was never complaining, now all I can think is that Blizzard became a lazy company, they rely on what they know how to do,
I'm still having fun, but the fun doesn't last as long as before (especially DF, every patchs are the same and all public events are boring, only megadungeons are super fun).

I just hope 10.2.6 brings something new and exciting.

it's a common sentiment with dragonflight. this expansion feels off. problem is that the game has gotten stale with formulaic patches and 0 innovation. You can't even really enjoy the rpg aspect anymore for what they did to the story/setting of the game

[Lady Atia]

This is where I disagree: All Blizzard has to do is turn up the difficulty. Horrific Visions pulled it off, why couldn't Delves?

Iirc they implied that delves would have a difficulty curve like m+, although I'm not sure how they would want to achieve that.

[Varodoc]

it's a common sentiment with dragonflight. this expansion feels off. problem is that the game has gotten stale with formulaic patches and 0 innovation. You can't even really enjoy the rpg aspect anymore for what they did to the story/setting of the game

This is the real problem. In the end, no amount of copy-pasted content can fix this issue.

As shit as DS was, I could at least be invested in the lore of Deathwing/the Hour of Twilight. I had a reason to care.

I have no reason to care about Fyrakk, just a cheap imitation of Deathwing, another doosmday monster like the Jailer who came out of nowhere and died without any real chance for growth. Not like Garrosh who had been built-up over several expansions and was the perfect villain for MoP.

I have no reason to care about Amirdrassil. I have no reason to be emotionally attached to that tree. I know nothing of it, as it is literally 1 week old.

I simply have no reason to be invested and care about DF lore. I have no reason to care about Amirdrassil or Fyrakk.

I suspect that Blizzard shares this sentiment, and their decision to have the climactic two Cosmic expansions take place in Quel'Thalas and Northrend (regions that people actually care about and are invested in) will be an attempt to bring back the stakes of the pre-2020 expansions. I can only hope so.

[Reive]

This is the real problem. In the end, no amount of copy-pasted content can fix this issue.

As shit as DS was, I could at least be invested in the lore of Deathwing/the Hour of Twilight. I had a reason to care.

I have no reason to care about Fyrakk, just a cheap imitation of Deathwing, another doosmday monster like the Jailer who came out of nowhere and died without any real chance for growth. Not like Garrosh who had been built-up over several expansions and was the perfect villain for MoP.

I have no reason to care about Amirdrassil. I have no reason to be emotionally attached to that tree. I know nothing of it, as it is literally 1 week old.

I simply have no reason to be invested and care about DF lore. I have no reason to care about Amirdrassil or Fyrakk.

I suspect that Blizzard shares this sentiment, and their decision to have the climactic two Cosmic expansions take place in Quel'Thalas and Northrend (regions that people actually care about and are invested in) will be an attempt to bring back the stakes of the pre-2020 expansions. I can only hope so.

the problem are not fyrakk and/or amirdrassil but the people writing the plot. it's their job to make the narrative interesting, but they can't

there is also another issue with df: the vibe. this expansion imo is too childish and feminine, and the language used is too modern. when i read some dialogues i feel like i'm reading a post from twitter. when you compare df with classic the difference in vibe is REALLY noticeable

[Annihilas]

Iirc they implied that delves would have a difficulty curve like m+, although I'm not sure how they would want to achieve that.

Well I guess only time will tell, Beta starts next month I'd guess?

[Valysar]

this expansion imo is too childish and feminine, and the language used is too modern. when i read some dialogues i feel like i'm reading a post from twitter. when you compare df with classic the difference in vibe is REALLY noticeable

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this

[Zardas]

there is also another issue with df: the vibe. this expansion imo is too childish and feminine

I sure agree that it's too childish (even if still less than Cata) and the expansion would be much better if it wasn't. But I don't really get what you mean by "feminine" ? What's feminine about DF ? Like, dracthyrs don't even have boobs.

[Dracullus]

I think best gear, even for 7.2 Mage Tower difficulty challenge, would slowly start killing M+ just how right now M+ is slowly killing raiding. More players, harder to find competent people and coordinate them.

Imo not only ceiling for M+ should be higher than delves (but still harder delves should be much higher than casual/vendor gear!), but also mythic raiding should get completely unique set of gear, ~10 level better than everything else, without upgrading, with same ilvl from all bosses, with master loot (cause it's difficulty for organized groups).

[Varodoc]

Dragonflight reeks of cut story content and behind-the-scenes story changes.

If you told me over 1 year ago that Fyrakk would be the end boss, I would not believe it. He is not end boss material, he's just a dumb brute. That is not end boss material.

It feels like they had an initial plan for a 10.3 patch with Iridrikon as end boss, but later plans (possibly Metzen's return and the conception of the Worldsoul saga) changed those plans.

Also the Oathstones, I imagine Iridrikon would have done some stuff with Oathstones and Vakthros in 10.3.

It's great that they are finally going back to multi-expansion villains like Garrosh, Gul'dan, and Azshara, but the character of Iridrikon feels tainted to me. Like he was meant for a different role, like the original plan was something else (Iridrikon final boss and DF 10.3).

The weird shift from the Dragon Isles to the Emerald Dream is also thematically sudden and strange. This is a Dragon expansion. When I think of Dragons, the Emerald Dream dosen't come to mind. We suddenly care about the Night Elves and their World Tree in the midst of a Dragon expansion, which is thematically clashing with the overarching expansion themes.

[Lady Atia]

Well I guess only time will tell, Beta starts next month I'd guess?

Alpha* but yee, lets hope that.

[Reive]

I sure agree that it's too childish (even if still less than Cata) and the expansion would be much better if it wasn't. But I don't really get what you mean by "feminine" ? What's feminine about DF ? Like, dracthyrs don't even have boobs.

the emphasis on certain elements. the way dialogues are written, the high amount of cutesy elements, the interactions bewteen characters, the eccessive amount of girlboss moments etc are all result of a feminine touch. considering that more than 50% of the narrative team is made of women, it doesn't surprise me

[doledippers]

Are you just here to defend Blizzard all day or what? Bro the content is SOULLESS there is nothing to do that makes any sense in a videogame only if it was a facebook game or some shit.. if you dont m+ or raid what the hell can you even do? you can go out and farm transmog that looks like shit on 90% of the races.. farm rep for strange rewards that are BORING its soul suckingly boring to do anything that isnt raiding or m+.. mounts are fine to get but what the hell am i supposed to GAME outside of dungeons and raiding huh.. and dont start listing all the soulless content..

I want COOL FULL transmog sets that are hard to get either by solo or in group for starters OR unique weapon models. But no lets make a 100 weird bad maces axes and staffs silly transmog sets for the diversity crowd.

again, this boils down to you not liking the content, which is fine. doesnt mean its bad or that other people have to agree. i like farming transmog, i like achievement hunting, i like doing professions and gold making etc. sorry if you consider that "soulless"

[Cheezits]

It's not masculine to be verbose, and it's not feminine to be badly written.

The introspective cinematics being "feminine" has more to do with people being tired of Anduin as a character than anything. If it was Arthas having a talk with Uther in the TWW cinematic, for whatever reason, I doubt people would have as big a problem.

The sword being the big reveal (for people that weren't looking at Blizzcon props) made it work.

[Scyth]

I sure agree that it's too childish (even if still less than Cata) and the expansion would be much better if it wasn't. But I don't really get what you mean by "feminine" ? What's feminine about DF ? Like, dracthyrs don't even have boobs.

Don't bother with that one, some of their comments are very questionable. Best ignore trolls and not feed them. They don't like having strong female characters in games lol

[Makabreska]

More patches but less content. Happy that finally people are starting to see it. I said it beforehand and early on in the expansion, but everyone kept giving me shit for it. Its nice that they released 10.2.5 8 weeks after 10.2, but that patch only had like an hour of quests.

Quotes the guy whose arguments got opposed and dismantled.

"Happy that finally people are starting to see it"

kay

[Zardas]

the high amount of cutesy elements

What does "cutesy elements" has to do with being the result of a "feminine touch" ?

the way dialogues are written, the interactions bewteen characters

Can you point out some examples and explain how they are the result of a "feminin touch" ?

the eccessive amount of girlboss moments

I didn't found more "girlboss" moments than "boyboss" moments. In fact, I'd say that the issue is that there isn't enough "boss" moments. But maybe you could give some examples to support your point ?

considering that more than 50% of the narrative team is made of women, it doesn't surprise me

Isn't it normal considering that 50% of the world population is made of women ?