1. #6061
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Ersula being the voice of reason was not on my list for this week.
    I suppose that pressing circumstances demand remarkable changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    I straight up noped out of reading this thread most of today when I saw what was going on, again.
    I don't think we've ever seen such an instance of destructive simultaneity. Scylla and Charybdis come to mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Same, and at this point I am just tired of constantly fighting to not have the thread turn into lore sub-thread...
    Only one place to go from here: it's time to talk about Sylvanas.

  2. #6062
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Would be cool to see tbh
    I'd add this from the next expansion thread;
    Each group of keepers guarded and worked at a facility.
    We had Odyn's group with Ulduar and the Forge of Wills which was meant to guide the mind of the world soul and was used to churn out more Titanfroged
    We had Ra's group (which I wish we could have explored instead of the Indiana Jones parody bullshit) with Uldum and the Forge of Origination which was a failsafe in case everything went poorly.
    And then we know we also have Innaria's group. I'd assume they controlled Uldorus which would then be in Avaloren (since we keep getting told about it). And it would have had to have a third Forge for a group of Keepers to be there for maintenance. What would it's purpose be?
    One of the biggest mysteries in our WoW fandom is what happens when a Titan is born. How violent is the act of birth, what happens to the planet around the world soul. We cannot really make a call based on Argus because of Sargeras' interference. Yet the facility holding Argus' world soul was named AntORUS, similar to UldORUS. So that facility likely holds Azeroth's world soul or at least is the closest one to it. I posit that the last Forge would be the one meant to midwife the Titan birth. This links an Avaloren plot with Azeroth's actual awakening
    I also wonder if there was some Mesoamerican-themed Keeper group linked to Uldir but again, missed opportunity to explore that with Zandalar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Only one place to go from here: it's time to talk about Sylvanas.
    Or we could make a point and try to be constructive. Comment on them if you must and then post something else that fits the thread theme (or rather don't comment since if you post one paragraph about them and multiple constructive ones trying to steer the discussion back, you still get infracted for it . . .)
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  3. #6063
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, I don’t buy the notion of Rafaam being a major villain for a void expansion. I could see him be a semi-major villain in a Titan expansion where a Titan artifact is posing a major threat to Azeroth, and the heroes and the Explorer’s league has to stop him.

    However, that sounds more like a patch storyline.

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    Uh, we had BFA. Plenty of pirate stuff in that expansion.
    One dungeon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Honestly Pirates are just low impact for WoW. I just cannot see them becoming a threat worth our time.
    A pirate fleet that dwarves the combined forces of the Horde and the Alliance with a Euron Greyjoy esque leader on a quest to claim ancient and magical power, with the ability to control dragons and deep sea terrors would definitely be a threat worth our time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Sure. Leveling and in a dungeon. They are not the main theme of the expansion.
    Garrosh and a splinter faction of the Horde were the main antagonists of an expansion. Why couldn’t the above also be?

    My proposal isn’t pirates the main theme of an expansion anyway. It would be a MoP style expansion set on Tel’Abim focused on exploration and ancient civilisation with focus on Djinn and Ifrit also. I just see Nightsquall and a titanic pirate fleet as major antagonists there.
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  4. #6064
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    A pirate fleet that dwarves the combined forces of the Horde and the Alliance with a Euron Greyjoy esque leader on a quest to claim ancient and magical power, with the ability to control dragons and deep sea terrors would definitely be a threat worth our time.

    My proposal isn’t pirates the main theme of an expansion anyway. It would be a MoP style expansion set on Tel’Abim focused on exploration and ancient civilisation with focus on Djinn and Ifrit also. I just see Nightsquall and a titanic pirate fleet as major antagonists there.
    While I'm enamored of the ideas presented, I don't think I don't think Blizz should develop it...at this time.
    At this time Blizz lacks the creative fortitude to develop well and fully any expansion that held a depth that MoP had. If they were to make the attempt in the near future it would be ruinous to the concept.

  5. #6065
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Garrosh and a splinter faction of the Horde were the main antagonists of an expansion. Why couldn’t the above also be?

    My proposal isn’t pirates the main theme of an expansion anyway. It would be a MoP style expansion set on Tel’Abim focused on exploration and ancient civilisation with focus on Djinn and Ifrit also. I just see Nightsquall and a titanic pirate fleet as major antagonists there.
    Anyone can be made a threat with the right McGuffin. I mean if you find a way to give Nightsquall the Orb of Dragonkind.

  6. #6066
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Anyone can be made a threat with the right McGuffin. I mean if you find a way to give Nightsquall the Orb of Dragonkind.
    ...or a slave to some mythic level "jailer..."

  7. #6067
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    To be fair, and I'm not meaning this in a negative way, Augmentation was likely planned for release, but it had to be cut/delayed for some reason.
    Because I very much doubt that they saw the positive feedback for Evoker and only then decided "let's do a thrd spec!" and build an entire spec in just a few months.
    Of course Evoker was always planned to be a third spec. Whether they ran out of time before reveal, or they wanted to attach the third spec to a storyline, it’s quite clear that development for the spec happened long before Dragonflight was released.

    My point is that at this stage where Blizzard doesn’t really seem bonded by their old “rules”, there’s no reason to doubt that Blizzard could release a new class in 11.0. It could certainly happen.

    That said, my money is still on Yrel invasion with Arrakoa and Ogres for new races. On the class side, maybe some more support specs get added to the existing classes. I could see Enhancement, Survival, and Discipline go Support.
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  8. #6068
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Of course Evoker was always planned to be a third spec. Whether they ran out of time before reveal, or they wanted to attach the third spec to a storyline, it’s quite clear that development for the spec happened long before Dragonflight was released.

    My point is that at this stage where Blizzard doesn’t really seem bonded by their old “rules”, there’s no reason to doubt that Blizzard could release a new class in 11.0. It could certainly happen.

    That said, my money is still on Yrel invasion with Arrakoa and Ogres for new races. On the class side, maybe some more support specs get added to the existing classes. I could see Enhancement, Survival, and Discipline go Support.
    They would not change existing specs into supports ones. There are people that enjoy those specs, It would provoke unnecessary backlash. I see new specs happening, though.
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  9. #6069
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    And then we know we also have Innaria's group. I'd assume they controlled Uldorus which would then be in Avaloren (since we keep getting told about it). And it would have had to have a third Forge for a group of Keepers to be there for maintenance. What would it's purpose be?
    We've already seen Uldorus : it's Tyrholds (https://www.wowhead.com/item=201726/...report-uldorus)
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  10. #6070
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    They would not change existing specs into supports one. There are people that enjoy those specs, It would provoke unnecessary backlash. I see new specs happening, though.
    I'd agree but Survival says hi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardas View Post
    We've already seen Uldorus : it's Tyrholds (https://www.wowhead.com/item=201726/...report-uldorus)
    Oh you are right! Damn, there goes the naming scheme staying consistent

  11. #6071
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh you are right! Damn, there goes the naming scheme staying consistent
    Well, we never know, there may be a similarity between Antorus and Uldorus. At least I think it would be a shame if they didn't do more with Tyrhold, it's a cool place.
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  12. #6072
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Anyone can be made a threat with the right McGuffin. I mean if you find a way to give Nightsquall the Orb of Dragonkind.
    Pretty much.

    Nightsquall being in control of several artifacts he’s discovered around the world could easily present him as a threat. Control over dragons. undead, ifrit, sea creatures etc. Have all that backed up with an enormous fleet that eclipses the combined forces of the Horde and Alliance. Present him in a way similar to Euron Greyjoy from the ASOIAF books - cruel, manipulative, intelligent, a practitioner of dark magics. He could easily be an expansion worthy antagonist, it’s just whether Blizzard have the capabilities to write a compelling villain in this sense.

    I think a lot of folk in this thread are looking at how pirates have previously been presented in WoW, such as Freehold, Flynn, Harlan, Bloodsail etc and just think of them as whimsical. A Euron Greyjoy or even Davy Jones style pirate lord could absolutely be a compelling enough threat.

  13. #6073
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'd agree but Survival says hi
    Survival has always been a DPS spec, even if they change It from ranged to mele. And honestly I do not see survival as a support spec. Discipline priest I can, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    They would not change existing specs into supports ones. There are people that enjoy those specs, It would provoke unnecessary backlash. I see new specs happening, though.
    They retool the specs every expansion. Also Enhancement and Discipline already lean in support’s direction. Obviously Enhancement would still be DPS and Disc would still heal, but they would lean more towards buffing fellow players.

    I would add a Mage spec to the mix as well, since they have a bloodlust variant. Arcane maybe?
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  15. #6075
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Survival has always been a DPS spec, even if they change It from ranged to mele. And honestly I do not see survival as a support spec. Discipline priest I can, for example.
    I think the more obvious choice is Enhancement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardas View Post
    Well, we never know, there may be a similarity between Antorus and Uldorus. At least I think it would be a shame if they didn't do more with Tyrhold, it's a cool place.
    I'd assume we will see more of what it does when we wake Tyr up which may happen as early as 10.1.7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Pretty much.

    Nightsquall being in control of several artifacts he’s discovered around the world could easily present him as a threat. Control over dragons. undead, ifrit, sea creatures etc. Have all that backed up with an enormous fleet that eclipses the combined forces of the Horde and Alliance. Present him in a way similar to Euron Greyjoy from the ASOIAF books - cruel, manipulative, intelligent, a practitioner of dark magics. He could easily be an expansion worthy antagonist, it’s just whether Blizzard have the capabilities to write a compelling villain in this sense.

    I think a lot of folk in this thread are looking at how pirates have previously been presented in WoW, such as Freehold, Flynn, Harlan, Bloodsail etc and just think of them as whimsical. A Euron Greyjoy or even Davy Jones style pirate lord could absolutely be a compelling enough threat.
    So we go from the Legion, to N’Zoth, to the Jailer, to Murazond, to…….. Blackbeard?

    Ehhhhh…….

  17. #6077
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    So we go from the Legion, to N’Zoth, to the Jailer, to Murazond, to…….. Blackbeard?

    Ehhhhh…….
    I mean, if you’re not going to actually read my post properly, then why bother responding?

    Also, aren’t you always advocating for a goblin and gnome themed Undermine expansion? What are you proposing the main antagonist of such an expansion would be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I mean, if you’re not going to actually read my post properly, then why bother responding?

    Also, aren’t you always advocating for a goblin and gnome themed Undermine expansion? What are you proposing the main antagonist of such an expansion would be?
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_War

    Make iR-to akin to Ultron from Avengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    I mean... *waves at vocal part of the playerbase*
    Vocal and tiny. Those of us willing to dig into the details are few and far between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    A little over a week ago, you didn't believe they would add a 3rd spec to a class mid-expansion.

    Yet here we are.
    Tbh I think it was planned from the start since there were earth evoker abilities shown off on the VFX artist’s art station.

    It’s probably a big reason why they redid the Evoker starting zone and completely cut the “pre-stasis” portion that was originally planned. (To give story reason as to why Evokers suddenly couldn’t augment others)
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    what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

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