The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

you'd think they're about to release a new game with all this blueballing

It may as well be a brand new WoW game even if it's just Retail Hardcore.

[Vexilius]

Do you think devs put more love and dedication into Classic than Retail ?

The devs that make SOD are the ones that have played and continue to play wow, it's why SoD is great. Retail devs play final fantasy and that's why it has taken a serious nose dive.

[Reive]

It may as well be a brand new WoW game even if it's just Retail Hardcore.

retail hardcore would be doa

[justwatching]

the community has been openly frustrated about the lack of news. 1 and 2pm est are the expected times for news because thats typically when they post news, the vast majority of the time. they know people are expecting news at those times. if we wanna be technical here they are 9 weeks late on the news. whether or not its intentional , or if they think its cute , or if they just screwed something up, its not a good look, and it certainly does not instill confidence that they've learned anything from this ordeal.

Nah I'm sorry they are not responsible for assumptions hyper engaged members of the community make. The vast majority of the playerbase has absolutely no clue when their blogs usually release and just checks wowhead twice a week.

[Sondrelk]

retail hardcore would be doa

Depends on the execution. I imagine there are plenty of players who would like some incentive to level some characters again. The difference between Retail and Classic would really just be down to Classic being built around levelling, whereas in Retail you would need to incentivize it somehow.

[Murlocos]

They'd need to really overhaul leveling for any spin on it, including hardcore, to be worthwhile as a patch focus. Hardcore and SoD slot neatly into Classic because a large portion of the game is built around the leveling process. Hardcore Retail would just be a harmless 10-20 hour leveling experience, then you either die to some random M+/raid mechanic or you find a poorly scaled mob while leveling that 1-shots you with an ability that was meant to do 5% of your health. All the tuning, scaling, and level squishes over the years have made retail leveling so patchwork and inconsistent it can't carry a patch by itself.

[Reive]

Depends on the execution. I imagine there are plenty of players who would like some incentive to level some characters again. The difference between Retail and Classic would really just be down to Classic being built around levelling, whereas in Retail you would need to incentivize it somehow.

if it's on another client like classic then it's doa. retail players don't like losing their achievements

[Cheezits]

if it's on another client like classic then it would be doa. retail players don't like losing their achievements

The reason it's fully secret is probably partially because it's not something that would be perfectly loved at reveal without heavy explanation. That fits the bill.

Maybe they are TRYING retail hardcore on another client, hence experiment and all that, even if it is something likely unpopular conceptually. If it is, it will probably be locked to Dragonflight, and they know people don't really love Dragonflight's questing.

Note: The USUAL reason something is entirely secret is that they have full confidence people would love it. But this is WoW, with a volatile community that overreacts over most everything, so secrets usually mean hiding something to not make people mad.

[doledippers]

man if it turns out to be hardcore retail im gonna be so sad lol

[Alanar]

People need to chill the f out already.

[Reive]

The reason it's fully secret is probably partially because it's not something that would be perfectly loved at reveal without heavy explanation. That fits the bill.

Maybe they are TRYING retail hardcore on another client, hence experiment and all that, even if it is something likely unpopular conceptually. If it is, it will probably be locked to Dragonflight, and they know people don't really love Dragonflight's questing.

Note: The USUAL reason something is entirely secret is that they have full confidence people would love it. But this is WoW, with a volatile community that overreacts over most everything, so secrets usually mean hiding something to not make people mad.

i really really hope it's not retail hardcore levelling. classic hc only got popular because streamers played it. the retail version would be doa because no big streamer wants to stream retail these days

[Cheezits]

i really really hope it's not retail hardcore levelling. classic hc only got popular because streamers played it. the retail version would be doa because no big streamer wants to stream retail these days

Considering the only news of 10.2.6 we have heard is from streamers, they may have paid some of them to try it lol.

Now if it's Retail Hardcore, not sure why Muffinus would be involved.

[Makabreska]

Considering the only news of 10.2.6 we have heard is from streamers, they may have paid some of them to try it lol.

Now if it's Retail Hardcore, not sure why Muffinus would be involved.

And I'm not sure where the "experiment" part would be.

[Enrif]

I don’t think it will be hardcore, as that doesn’t fit into retail, as leveling isn’t the goal anymore.
But what if it is roguelike mode? Starting with a handfull of skills, you have to enter dungeons with some randomization of enemies and powers they have. Each time you die, the dungeon resets. You earn new skills in each dungeon alongside cosmetic rewards. Your gear doesn’t really matter for that mode, but you can find gear with special effects like faster movement or quicker recharge of skills.

[Reive]

if it's something max would play, then it must be some kind of "hard" pve content.

[Nymrohd]

I don’t think it will be hardcore, as that doesn’t fit into retail, as leveling isn’t the goal anymore.
But what if it is roguelike mode? Starting with a handfull of skills, you have to enter dungeons with some randomization of enemies and powers they have. Each time you die, the dungeon resets. You earn new skills in each dungeon alongside cosmetic rewards. Your gear doesn’t really matter for that mode, but you can find gear with special effects like faster movement or quicker recharge of skills.

At this point I think a roguelike sounds like the most likely option. We know they want to do something based on Vampire Survivors and we have Max saying he is going to be playing this over fated. An evergreen rogue game is an experiment (the next step to several older experiments, yes, but still would require a lot of design work) and if it does work it definitely has longevity.

[Makabreska]

if it's something max would play, then it must be some kind of "hard" pve content.

Ummm, how much Max is even playing hard content, considering he is 21st dude during WF races?

[Reive]

Ummm, how much Max is even playing hard content, considering he is 21st dude during WF races?

he does raids and m+ when he's not raid leading. also, by "hard pve content" i meant things like mage tower, a roguelike mode etc

[Cheezits]

Ummm, how much Max is even playing hard content, considering he is 21st dude during WF races?

I think the idea is anything short of Delves and Housing is considered hard to the genpop.

[doledippers]

12 mins to go?

surely this time right