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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Yes. Probably because it is a corrupted version, that is severely weakend.

    On the other hand, Goblins are known for their explosive technology. Perhaps it used to be Kaja'mite powered before it got so rare.

    Edit:
    Now here comes a theory:
    Azerite appeared when a titan hit Azeroth dealing it a massive wound.
    The last time a Titan caused a massive wound, was when Aman'thul ripped out Y'shaarj. Perhaps, this event, similar in destruction caused azerite to appear, but because the corruption of the old god rained down, it changed the Azerite into Kaja'mite.
    But why is Kaja'mite most commonly found underneath the volcano on Kezan?

    The volcano has presumably been there at least since the primordial age when the elementals waged war on each other and caused the land to constantly change. I don't think the Sundering would have caused a volcano.

    Did the Kaja'mite flow out from the planet's core with the magma?

    Were the magma tunnels once home to a part of Y'shaarj?

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    I mean, there must've been some reason Deathwing visited that volcano and caused it to erupt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    But why is Kaja'mite most commonly found underneath the volcano on Kezan?

    The volcano has presumably been there at least since the primordial age when the elementals waged war on each other and caused the land to constantly change. I don't think the Sundering would have caused a volcano.

    Did the Kaja'mite flow out from the planet's core with the magma?

    Were the magma tunnels once home to a part of Y'shaarj?
    Unknowns, and we can not tell. Perhaps the titans or their titanforged tried to burry that strange green mineral. This could be part of a potential undermine zone/megadungeon/raid to explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    I mean, there must've been some reason Deathwing visited that volcano and caused it to erupt.
    That’s pretty much been changed to Azeroth her self setting it off and it was actually started before the cataclysm proper because the goblins dug up some Azerite.
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    It wouldn't be surprising if Kosak's Lore team back in the early 2010s had plans to tie Kaja'mite to Y'Shaarj, plans that were never finalized.

    The biggest indicator that the two might be related is the colour. Green is not just the colour of Kaja'mite and Fel/Demons, but also of Y'Shaarj:





    That shade of green is close enough:





    And on a related note, I have also seen people in the past who speculated that Y'Shaarj had some dealings with Fel/Demons, due to his colour.

    Still, even though you can make the argument that Kosak's Team in the early 2010s might have had unfinished plans to tie Kaja'mite in Cataclysm to Y'Shaarj in MoP, those plans were clearly never finalized. It's now been over 10 years since Y'Shaarj and Kaja'mite were last relevant. Unless the New lore team helmed by Metzen intentionally goes back to dig up old lore from a decade ago (not impossible), any connection between Y'Shaarj and Kaja'mite can be safely thrown in the dusty storage room of dropped plotlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    It wouldn't be surprising if Kosak's Lore team back in the early 2010s had plans to tie Kaja'mite to Y'Shaarj, plans that were never finalized.

    The biggest indicator that the two might be related is the colour. Green is not just the colour of Kaja'mite and Fel/Demons, but also of Y'Shaarj:





    That shade of green is close enough:





    And on a related note, I have also seen people in the past who speculated that Y'Shaarj had some dealings with Fel/Demons, due to his colour.

    Still, even though you can make the argument that Kosak's Team in the early 2010s might have had unfinished plans to tie Kaja'mite in Cataclysm to Y'Shaarj in MoP, those plans were clearly never finalized. It's now been over 10 years since Y'Shaarj and Kaja'mite were last relevant. Unless the New lore team helmed by Metzen intentionally goes back to dig up old lore from a decade ago (not impossible), any connection between Y'Shaarj and Kaja'mite can be safely thrown in the dusty storage room of dropped plotlines.
    Shouldn't we be able to find it on Pandaria though, if it's the blood of Y'Shaarj?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Shouldn't we be able to find it on Pandaria though, if it's the blood of Y'Shaarj?
    Ya like we had the heart pumping blood which didn’t match at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Shouldn't we be able to find it on Pandaria though, if it's the blood of Y'Shaarj?
    IIRC, Y'Shaarj didn't die specifically on Pandaria. But Ra found his remains nearby on his way to Uldum (it probably fell there). So he took a left turn and left the heart underneath Pandaria, with his mogu intended to watch over it, before he continued on to Uldum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    IIRC, Y'Shaarj didn't die specifically on Pandaria. But Ra found his remains nearby on his way to Uldum (it probably fell there). So he took a left turn and left the heart underneath Pandaria, with his mogu intended to watch over it, before he continued on to Uldum.
    This.

    Y'Shaarj was not located in Pandaria. His seat of power was at the centre of the world, in the future Well of Eternity/Zin-Azshari/Maelstrom. Pandaria is just the place where his remains happened to fall from the sky after Aman'thul killed him.

    Kaja'mite only appears in places that are closely associated to the Maelstrom. Kezan and Lost Isles are located near the Maelstrom, and In-game are actually labelled as part of the "Maelstrom continent". Kaja'mite also appears in Zandalar, which is located close to Nazjatar and the Ruins of Zin-Azshari (where Y'Shaarj lived before Well of Eternity/Zin-Azshari).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    IIRC, Y'Shaarj didn't die specifically on Pandaria. But Ra found his remains nearby on his way to Uldum (it probably fell there). So he took a left turn and left the heart underneath Pandaria, with his mogu intended to watch over it, before he continued on to Uldum.
    He would have died at zin azshari as that’s where his body was ripped from resulting in the well.

    Which if you wanted to stretch you could say that’s why Kaja'mite is by that goblin island at sea, but that doesn’t make any sense when none is found at ZA or any of the other near by islands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    He would have died at zin azshari as that’s where his body was ripped from resulting in the well.

    Which if you wanted to stretch you could say that’s why Kaja'mite is by that goblin island at sea, but that doesn’t make any sense when none is found at ZA or any of the other near by islands.
    There was a quarry on Zandalar, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    There was a quarry on Zandalar, I think.
    Ah I must have missed that, still though none in Zin Azshari or KT which is closer to where the well was makes it seem pretty unlikely that they are related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Ah I must have missed that, still though none in Zin Azshari or KT which is closer to where the well was makes it seem pretty unlikely that they are related.
    Kul Tiras used to be way further to the east, not as close as it is today. The cataclysm moved it so far to the west. As for Zin Azshari, we only got a very small piece of it, with the rest still under the water. There could be stuff, but probably not added to a patch zone as it wasn't the focus on it. Did Nazjatar even had Azerite? I don't think so, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Kul Tiras used to be way further to the east, not as close as it is today. The cataclysm moved it so far to the west. As for Zin Azshari, we only got a very small piece of it, with the rest still under the water. There could be stuff, but probably not added to a patch zone as it wasn't the focus on it. Did Nazjatar even had Azerite? I don't think so, right?
    Your right, though looking at chronicles maps, BI should atleast have it to given proximity.



    As for Zin if they were trying to set that up having the Gilblins have some would be an obvious way to do it, don’t remember if they had azerite, though if they did they would likely use it given that it’s power is what freed N’zoth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Ah I must have missed that, still though none in Zin Azshari or KT which is closer to where the well was makes it seem pretty unlikely that they are related.
    Picture this:

    Elun'Ahir stands tall in the middle of Ancient Kalimdor.

    Underneath it, Y'shaarj is gnawing at its roots, like Níđhöggr did to Yggdrasil in Norse mythology. The roots are a means to access the world's heart, similar to the wells underneath Yggdrasil, that lead to different "realms".

    Aman'Thul realises this, and pulls the tree out of the ground in a fit of rage. Out comes Y'shaarj, slithering, writhing, and roaring. He tumbles through the air, until he finally crashes down, dead, south of the well. More or less in the region between Pandaria, Undermine, and Zabdalar.

    Back at the resulting crater, the Well eventually forms above the roots of Elun'Ahir, either from Azerite or the tears of Eonar.

    As for Y'shaarj, his legacy is known to us. His blood crystallises above and below ground. Manifestations of his personality form the Sha across Pandaria. The heart is found and locked away underneath the earth by Ra.

    And maybe, according to one theory, his murdered sister Xal'atath has her essence trapped within one of his claws, and is now free to roam Azeroth.

    Over the years, Y'shaarj's lesser brethren seek to use his findings in their own schemes. They use the world trees to corrupt. They tap into the Emerald Dream and create the Nightmare.

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    I wonder if all of this then if there's a potential consequence of Goblins using void magic at some point. If kaja'mite is theoretically the blood of Y'shaarj, would the empowerment from void energies of a kaja'mite influenced race like goblins create some sort of far more eldritch evil of them?

    Ethereals are just void empowered goblins /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Picture this:

    Elun'Ahir stands tall in the middle of Ancient Kalimdor.

    Underneath it, Y'shaarj is gnawing at its roots, like Níđhöggr did to Yggdrasil in Norse mythology. The roots are a means to access the world's heart, similar to the wells underneath Yggdrasil, that lead to different "realms".

    Aman'Thul realises this, and pulls the tree out of the ground in a fit of rage. Out comes Y'shaarj, slithering, writhing, and roaring. He tumbles through the air, until he finally crashes down, dead, south of the well. More or less in the region between Pandaria, Undermine, and Zabdalar.

    Back at the resulting crater, the Well eventually forms above the roots of Elun'Ahir, either from Azerite or the tears of Eonar.

    As for Y'shaarj, his legacy is known to us. His blood crystallises above and below ground. Manifestations of his personality form the Sha across Pandaria. The heart is found and locked away underneath the earth by Ra.

    And maybe, according to one theory, his murdered sister Xal'atath has her essence trapped within one of his claws, and is now free to roam Azeroth.

    Over the years, Y'shaarj's lesser brethren seek to use his findings in their own schemes. They use the world trees to corrupt. They tap into the Emerald Dream and create the Nightmare.
    The whole thing seems completely nonsensical given that the old gods were literal mountains off flesh and you obviously wouldn’t plant a tree near one or lose sight of one when you are actively fighting a war against them with Y'shaarj being the first one they took down and the most dangerous.

    And of course the black still beating still bleeding heart throws a wrench into the mix of it being his blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    And of course the black still beating still bleeding heart throws a wrench into the mix of it being his blood.
    Yeah I was about to bring that up. The heart bleeds a dark purple/black substance as well while it pumps. And the puddle of goo that is all that remains of it is the same black-purple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The whole thing seems completely nonsensical given that the old gods were literal mountains off flesh and you obviously wouldn’t plant a tree near one or lose sight of one when you are actively fighting a war against them with Y'shaarj being the first one they took down and the most dangerous.

    And of course the black still beating still bleeding heart throws a wrench into the mix of it being his blood.
    We're obviously just having fun with it, and I'm not for certain saying it is his blood. I like exploring the idea though.

    In the Elun'Ahir book, it says Eonar planted the tree to fight back the darkness etc. Life spread around it. It had water from a river. Sounds pretty familiar with the center of Ancient Kalimdor.

    I think it's feasible the Old Gods were buried below the ground at this point. Hence why tearing Y'shaarj out caused such massive damage to Azeroth.

    The Ancient Kalimdor map doesn't show mounds of flesh. It shows Old God realms. Regions of mountains, rivers and fields that they each controlled, presumably spreading their long tendrils below the ground.

    Heck, if you look closely on the map, you can almost make out mountains in the center of Kalimdor, and the surrounding mountain ranges almost extend in all directions like roots or tendrils.

    A bit Hyjal-esque.

    Maybe the Titanforged had fought the Black Empire for years at that point, and the Old Gods had below ground while their minions fought the enemy above.

    Y'shaarj's citadel torn down, there wasn't really any remaining surface level threat where he resided, just mountains. But the Titans were unable to end the war to remove the corruption.

    So Eonar planted the tree on top of the mountain, and much like Nordrassil later would, it towered over the landscape.

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