The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

What do you think the Kul, in Kul Tiran stands for? (Vrykul Terran) Anthropologically speaking it's unheard of that a race that settles in the same region wouldn't interbreed with each other, even if they're at war. Kul Tiran's are literally the median height between Humans & Vrykul, unlike all the other human races. That's not headcanon, that's just inferring information the dev give us.

Nothing, because Kul Tiras predates the Vrykul by more than a decade.

[Ersula]

Nothing, because Kul Tiras predates the Vrykul by more than a decade.

In the game, not in Metzen's imagination. Outside of the canon he's the one who decided on using the same suffix. Also not relevant to their canonized biology in BFA. It's still in the Arathor language but that makes sense because the Vrykul have always just been "big Humans:" That's how anyone encountering them would classify them as.

Kul Tiran > Vrykul < Valkyr < Kyrian

[huth]

In the game, not in Metzen's imagination. Outside of the canon he's the one who decided on using the same suffix. Also not relevant to their canonized biology in BFA. It's still in the Arathor language but that makes sense because the Vrykul have always just been "big Humans:" That's how anyone encountering them would classify them as.

Kul Tiran > Vrykul < Valkyr < Kyrian

Your headcanon does not count. You also have no idea what Metzen thinks on the matter.

[Alanar]

I could see the Arathi becoming an Allied Race in the future, exclusively for the Alliance (Because Horde Humans is stupid and it will always be stupid).

Humans are the most important race of the entire Warcraft franchise, yet they only have two playable races... while Dwarves (unpopular and secondary race) have 3? Illogical.

Arathi allied race for the Alliance, reunification of Hallowfall and Stormwind, the reunification of the last remnants of the ancient Arathi bloodline (Stormwind was founded by refugees from Arathor and Lothar was the last of Arathi bloodline).

Arathi Human allied race for the Alliance.

Ye, no.. with the current pattern(assumin allied races means more and we also now have horde dwarves) , this doesnt seem very likely. Its also explained this is a completely new group outside of the lore we know, so the whole bloodline stuff you mentioned seems irrelevant to the Arathi we are going to meet. At this point, if they are indeed becoming an allied race. Horde humans seems way more likely. I have no clue, why you would think this is alliance only perse. It doesnt match with what we already know.

[Lady Atia]

For the devs, there’s currently a lot of focus on upcoming content that is not yet being publicly examined. That will shift in the coming weeks, as we reveal some things and re-open our public test realms and then commit to the exchange of details and feedback that come with it.

Oh, who would have thought that 0 PTR, 0 news would be a shitty idea to do? Will be interesting to see if they actually release the PTR now earlier than initially planned thanks to the feedback.

[Dracullus]

Oh, who would have thought that 0 PTR, 0 news would be a shitty idea to do? Will be interesting to see if they actually release the PTR now earlier than initially planned thanks to the feedback.

Isn't this literally what Holly said few weeks ago? First 10.2.6 secret stuff will roll to live without PTR testing, then we will test Season 4 part of 10.2.6? It's March already, so "in the coming weeks" pirate flag event should already start.

[Varodoc]

Ye, no.. with the current pattern(assumin allied races means more and we also now have horde dwarves) , this doesnt seem very likely. Its also explained this is a completely new group outside of the lore we know, so the whole bloodline stuff you mentioned seems irrelevant to the Arathi we are going to meet. At this point, if they are indeed becoming an allied race. Horde humans seems way more likely. I have no clue, why you would think this is alliance only perse. It doesnt match with what we already know.

This is a joke, right?

You put Humans in the Horde, you destroy what is left of the "Warcraft" in WoW.

Putting Humans in the Horde is literally the worst idea conceivable when it comes to WoW.

And No, it's explained that they are literally an Arathi splinter-group, same as Stormwind.

What I have no clue about is how you could possibly ever think Horde Humans are more likely than Alliance Humans; one of the wildest if not the wildest take that has ever been said in WOW's history.

[Lady Atia]

Isn't this literally what Holly said few weeks ago? First 10.2.6 secret stuff will roll to live without PTR testing, then we will test Season 4 part of 10.2.6? It's March already, so "in the coming weeks" pirate flag event should already start.

Yeano, initially she said we would get 10.2.6 first, and than, *a few weeks later* the season 4 PTR. The recent comment sounds like they want to speed that part up sooner than originally planned, probably because people are pissed about a month of nothing.

Besides that, the Hearthstone event should be part of this patch, not the next, so we shouldn't get 10.2.6 until the 20th of March anyways.

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This is a joke, right?

You put Humans in the Horde, you destroy what is left of the "Warcraft" in WoW.

Putting Humans in the Horde is literally the worst idea conceivable when it comes to WoW.

And No, it's explained that they are literally an Arathi splinter-group, same as Stormwind.

What I have no clue about is how you could possibly ever think Horde Humans are more likely than Alliance Humans; one of the wildest if not the wildest take that has ever been said in WOW's history.

Factions are basically gone anyways, no one cares about your horde vs alliance bullshit anymore. Besides that, Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen are neutral anyways and aren't really part of the core factions. Same will be true for ANY new races from this point on, they will truly be *allied* races, lore wise.

[Woggmer]

Factions are basically gone anyways, no one cares about your horde vs alliance bullshit anymore. Besides that, Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen are neutral anyways and aren't really part of the core factions. Same will be true for ANY new races from this point on, they will truly be *allied* races, lore wise.

And then both factions will basically be turned into one big Dragonscale Expedition archtype faction. Nobody hates each other, there's no problems in WoW, and everything feels great because we all get along. Pandaren only start neutral but eventually had to pick a side and knew that once they picked a side they'd have to fight their own kin and they pretty much accepted the risks that came with it.

Drac'thyr, on the other hand, they were literally frozen for 16,000 thousand years (same could apply to Earthen too) they have no idea of all the stuff that happened between the Horde and Alliance. Both of these are very ancient races that, but even the same logic as the Pandaren can apply to them as well as soon as faction friction picks up again.

So no, the same cannot be applied to any and every race. All it takes is a small bit of faction friction we'll be right back to regularly scheduled Alliance vs Horde... (Gameplay wise like grouping and cross-faction play is fine and pretty much needed.. but if it bleeds into the story then that's a hard no.)

[Varodoc]

Factions are basically gone anyways, no one cares about your horde vs alliance bullshit anymore. Besides that, Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen are neutral anyways and aren't really part of the core factions. Same will be true for ANY new races from this point on, they will truly be *allied* races, lore wise.

It's almost like Pandaren/Dracthyr/Earthen are not like Humans.

It's almost like Pandaren/Dracthyr/Earthen were conceived as Neutral races, while Humans are the founding race of the Alliance.

Why do players like you want to destroy what makes Warcraft, Warcraft?

no one cares about your horde vs alliance bullshit anymore.

How many times must this be repeated?

It has nothing to do with faction war, it has to do with faction identity, which is a core staple of the Warcraft franchise.

Also, "No one cares"? I must have missed when you were made spokesman of the Warcraft community.

[Makabreska]

Factions are basically gone anyways, no one cares about your horde vs alliance bullshit anymore. Besides that, Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen are neutral anyways and aren't really part of the core factions. Same will be true for ANY new races from this point on, they will truly be *allied* races, lore wise.

Except humans are THE Alliance race before it even became a thing, going back to Warcraft: Orcs vs Humans. Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen had zero historical baggage when it came to faction conflict, so they are not even remotely comparable. Faction conflicts being generally gone does not mean we will have peace and friendship all the time and everywhere.

[Alanar]

This is a joke, right?

You put Humans in the Horde, you destroy what is left of the "Warcraft" in WoW.

Putting Humans in the Horde is literally the worst idea conceivable when it comes to WoW.

And No, it's explained that they are literally an Arathi splinter-group, same as Stormwind.

What I have no clue about is how you could possibly ever think Horde Humans are more likely than Alliance Humans; one of the wildest if not the wildest take that has ever been said in WOW's history.

Spare me your angry cry post. This is simply looking what we got so far and what we could expect and at this point its simply more likely this will be for both factions. Not saying Arathi will 100% happen either.

There is no reason to believe this is alliance only, especially after horde dwarves. You are really out of touch with your horde vs alliance point of view here.

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Except humans are THE Alliance race before it even became a thing, going back to Warcraft: Orcs vs Humans. Pandaren, Dracthyr and Earthen had zero historical baggage when it came to faction conflict, so they are not even remotely comparable. Faction conflicts being generally gone does not mean we will have peace and friendship all the time and everywhere.

They started the sharing of models with allied races way before. Its only natural more will follow.. and TWW already showed us that. We already had the famous blood elf model being brought over to the alliance, same as modified night elf model into the horde. Human model is probably not going to be exclusive much longer.

[Varodoc]

Spare me your angry cry post. This is simply looking what we got so far and what we could expect and at this point its simply more likely this will be for both factions. Not saying Arathi will 100% happen either.

There is no reason to believe this is alliance only, especially after horde dwarves. You are really out of touch with your horde vs alliance point of view here.

Is Blizzard/Retail so resource-starved that they can't make faction-unique races anymore? They need to share everything so that they only have to make one race instead of two?

It literally makes no sense for a group of Light-worshipping Humans to go to the Horde.

[Alanar]

Also, "No one cares"? I must have missed when you were made spokesman of the Warcraft community.

Keep in mind, you dont speak for any one either, altho you always use a certain tone, like you know it all. Reality is that your nothing and we dont have to take anything from you either.

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Is Blizzard/Retail so resource-starved that they can't make faction-unique races anymore? They need to share everything so that they only have to make one race instead of two?

It literally makes no sense for a group of Light-worshipping Humans to go to the Horde.

Its flying over your head.

[Varodoc]

Keep in mind, you dont speak for any one either, altho you always use a certain tone, like you know it all. Reality is that your nothing and we dont have to take anything from you either.

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Its flying over your head.

The difference is that everything I said is a Fact.

Faction identity is the core staple of the Franchise: Fact. You go back to WC1, you have knights in blue armour and grunts in red as the two main factions.

Humans are the founding race of the Alliance: Fact. The Seven Kingdoms of Humanity founded the Alliance in WC2, the Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes joined later.

Arathi Humans have more affinity with the Alliance: Fact. Stormwind was founded by the Arathi bloodline and Lothar in the Second War used his Arathi ancestry to bring the High Elves into the fold.

Light-Worshipping Humans in the Horde make no sense: Fact. The proof that I am right is that you did not justify this in any way, you just tried to dismiss My point by saying "it's flying over your head" (what this even means?)

Give one good reason why the Light-worshipping Humans should want to join the Horde over their fellow Human kingdoms in the Alliance.

[Alanar]

The difference is that everything I said is a Fact.

Faction identity is the core staple of the Franchise: Fact. You go back to WC1, you have knights in blue armour and grunts in red as the two main factions.

Humans are the founding race of the Alliance: Fact. The Seven Kingdoms of Humanity founded the Alliance in WC2, the Dwarves, Elves, and Gnomes joined later.

Arathi Humans have more affinity with the Alliance: Fact. Stormwind was founded by the Arathi bloodline and Lothar in the Second War used his Arathi ancestry to bring the High Elves into the fold.

Light-Worshipping Humans in the Horde make no sense: Fact. The proof that I am right is that you did not justify this in any way, you just tried to dismiss My point by saying "it's flying over your head" (what this even means?)

No its not and I simply do not care about the rest of your opinion.

You clearly dont get it, with horde dwarves and the previous allied races, the barriers are lowerd and we will likely see more things like that eventually happen. This also seems like the easiest route to add the human model to horde faction. I do not believe in a world anymore were we have unique models per faction. That dissolved a long time ago. And yes flying over your head is a thing and its happening to you here . It would also not be horde exclusive, rather be the neutral path, like the Earthen. Much more likely.

[Murlocos]

Story and aesthetic misgivings aside, the current implementation of allied races incentivizes Blizzard to pump out as many variations of existing races as possible to encourage paid race changes.

I don't see Arathi humans happening, but if they do even as an Alliance exclusive race I don't see how they'll be anything but another human model with unique customizations locked behind them, creating another race that has a bunch of incomplete-feeling variations you need to pay $25 to swap between.

[Alanar]

Story and aesthetic misgivings aside, the current implementation of allied races incentivizes Blizzard to pump out as many variations of existing races as possible to encourage paid race changes.

I don't see Arathi humans happening, but if they do even as an Alliance exclusive race I don't see how they'll be anything but another human model with unique customizations locked behind them, creating another race that has a bunch of incomplete-feeling variations you need to pay $25 to swap between.

For alliance, it could also just be a costumization option, while for the horde it becomes something new.

I can see the neutral thing becoming the new thing.

[Varodoc]

No its not and I simply do not care about the rest of your opinion.

You clearly dont get it, with horde dwarves and the previous allied races, the barriers are lowerd and we will likely see more things like that eventually happen. This also seems like the easiest route to add the human model to horde faction. I do not believe in a world anymore were we have unique models per faction. That dissolved a long time ago. And yes flying over your head is a thing and its happening to you here .

Humans are not Earthen. Earthen are not the founding and main race of the Alliance, and even they were a stretch, but they can at least be justified with the idea that they were never Alliance in the first place and Dwarves are not as important to the Alliance lore as Humans (although Neutral Forest Trolls will be expected for Midnight in return, otherwise it's Horde bias).

Humans? They are the founding race of the Alliance. They ARE the Alliance. That is why the two symbols of the Alliance are the symbols of the two sister-kingdoms of Humanity, Stormwind and Lordaeron.

Humans are off-limits. You want to play a Human model, you go Alliance. Not everything needs to be made available to everyone, especially not when it completely destroys the last semblance of world-building left in this game.

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Story and aesthetic misgivings aside, the current implementation of allied races incentivizes Blizzard to pump out as many variations of existing races as possible to encourage paid race changes.

I don't see Arathi humans happening, but if they do even as an Alliance exclusive race I don't see how they'll be anything but another human model with unique customizations locked behind them, creating another race that has a bunch of incomplete-feeling variations you need to pay $25 to swap between.

It can be the same divide as Normal Draenei and Lightforged Draenei.

Hallowfall Humans have literally been living around a Naaru crystal for millennia, they are bound to have Light influences in their design as opposed to the Normal Humans from Stormwind.

Stuff like glowing eyes, glowing Light tattoos, maybe even some crystal customizations.

[Ersula]

This is a joke, right?

You put Humans in the Horde, you destroy what is left of the "Warcraft" in WoW.

Putting Humans in the Horde is literally the worst idea conceivable when it comes to WoW.

And No, it's explained that they are literally an Arathi splinter-group, same as Stormwind.

What I have no clue about is how you could possibly ever think Horde Humans are more likely than Alliance Humans; one of the wildest if not the wildest take that has ever been said in WOW's history.

All that is a good reason they won't be allied races. At the very least they need a pretense to join a faction. What we do know about the Earthen is they have bubbling internal tensions, even moreso than the Pandaran & Dracthyr, giving them a reason to join a side, like the High Elves in Dalaran. Races people have been asking for (like Venthyr & Tuskaar) were passed up because they have no reason to involve themselves in the faction war, just like these Humans who worship a big sky rock. (Your "People love humans, its the most popular race" isn't a real reason: Only people who are new to the game prefer to roll a default male human & allied races have to be unlocked. Lit no one has been asking for "more human races")