The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makabreska]

hey, bad content is better than no content.

imo

I'm sure all those players forced to grind Korthia, or 40k honor in BfA on any serious character for player power would agree.

[Reive]

I'm sure all those players forced to grind Korthia, or 40k honor in BfA on any serious character for player power would agree.

while most players were dickriding ffxiv at the time, i was still subbed to wow. korthia had way more engagement (and for a longer period of time) than any of the dragonflight zones did.

edit to add: this is my experience, don't take it as a fact. i had more fun in shadowlands than i did in dragonflight. i actually started to play ffxiv in s1 of dragonflight because i was bored as hell. that didn't happen with shadowlands

[Makabreska]

while most players were dickriding ffxiv at the time, i was still subbed to wow. korthia had way more engagement (and for a longer period of time) than any of the dragonflight zones did.

Well, yes. Because Shards of Domination. You put a real power gains in a zone behind the grind, people will grind it. Doesn't mean they necessary enjoy it. And by following these forums at that time, I can say they didn't.

[Dracullus]

I'm sure all those players forced to grind Korthia, or 40k honor in BfA on any serious character for player power would agree.

I don't know why you play this game with him. Whole concept that 5 SL zones + empty Maw is somehow more content that 4 DF zones is moronic since we know size and amount of quests in each continent.

[Makabreska]

I don't know why you play this game with him. Whole concept that 5 SL zones + empty Maw is somehow more content that 4 DF zones is moronic since we know size and amount of quests in each continent.

I like to challenge dishonest WoW bashers, just so they wont feel too comfortable when spewing their usual stuff.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

no way.

1) 9.0 was way bigger than 10.0
2) 9.1 and 9.2 were around the same size of 10.1 and 10.2 but the zones were better: korthia>zaralek, zereth mortis>emerald dream

Im not gonna try and sort patch by patch for world content (quest) but here is a actual comparison from last time this came up for the whole of both expan with slight exceptions.

Sl, includes covenant quest so -80 out of each of the base zones.

Zerith 231 https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13536/zereth-mortis

Korthia 175 https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13570/korthia

178 oribos
https://www.wowhead.com/zone=10565/oribos

176 maw https://www.wowhead.com/zone=11400/the-maw

386 Mald https://www.wowhead.com/zone=11462/maldraxxus

415 Bastion https://www.wowhead.com/zone=10534/bastion

398 arden https://www.wowhead.com/zone=11510/ardenweald

Reven 479 https://www.wowhead.com/zone=10413/revendreth

Totalling at 2,438 not counting retaking lorderon or the dwarf/blood elf quest and with the 240 covenant quest included

DF includes renown so take way 25 person zone

ED 155 https://www.wowhead.com/zone=14529/emerald-dream

203 ZC https://www.wowhead.com/zone=14022/zaralek-cavern

113 Forbidden reach (patch version) https://www.wowhead.com/zone=14433/the-forbidden-reach

451 Waking shore https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13644/the-waking-shores

441 Azura span https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13646/the-azure-span

388 Plains https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13645/ohnahran-plains

797 thaldraszus (notably huge because it includes the city.) https://www.wowhead.com/zone=13647/thaldraszus

Totalling at 2549 not counting any blue dragon quest outside of the DF zones, red goats, warlock quest, retaking Gilneas, any other heritage quest, holiday revamp quest, ect, and 150 should be taken away for renown.

3) 5 starting zones vs 4

with those 4 being much larger bring as big as northrend and the maw having almost nothing in it at launch.

4) sl had torghast (like it or not) that got updated with every major patch

and Df instead got new events every patch so that’s equal.

5) sl had the return of the mage tower

not sure you’d call that SL content given that it just had a number change.

6 sl had better dungeons and raid than df. pvp was also better

quality aside, SL has fewer dungeons with Df matching its 8 at launch and mega dungon and then exceeding it but reworking two cata dungeons with major changes.

DF PvP was also far better while also adding Ss and it’s looking like we will get a solo Rbg next patch so that’s more there.

the only thing df has over sl is the new class but they tied it to an ugly ass race

and beyond core “content” we also had the prof rework, talent tree return, holiday reworks, ect.

All at a quicker pace then SL.

[Reive]

I don't know why you play this game with him. Whole concept that 5 SL zones + empty Maw is somehow more content that 4 DF zones is moronic since we know size and amount of quests in each continent.

"empty maw" meanwhile the main zones of df are truly empty

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Im not the biggest fan of DF, but it's 1000 times better to play than SL.

SL made me hate wow completely.

[Reive]

I like to challenge dishonest WoW bashers, just so they wont feel too comfortable when spewing their usual stuff.

just because my opinion doesn't align with yours doesn't mean i'm a "disonhest wow basher". i'm not alone in my disliking for dragonflight.

[Makabreska]

just because my opinion doesn't align with yours doesn't mean i'm a "disonhest wow basher". i'm not alone in my disliking for dragonflight.

You are not, but you are also one of these one-note guys, who keep almost universally shitting on the game (and also constantly "predicting" that future content will suck). And you now claiming that SL, probably the lowest point of WoW, had superior features (like Maw or Korthia) and bending other facts when comparing expansions really does not help your case of showing constructive criticism.

[Cheezits]

hey, bad content is better than no content.

imo

This is a silly argument when it's a majority rules contest, where SL is hated and DF is enjoyed.

[Dracullus]

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Hmm, interesting that SL zones are not that far behind than DF with number of quests, while certainly it's obvious when you do both Sojourners back-to-back. Maybe SL counts all seting up covenant quests, dailies and duplicate campaign stuff (similar how Valdrakken inflates Thaldraszus count)?

[doledippers]

i'm not alone in my disliking for dragonflight.

you're not but u are frankly being dishonest when you compare SL and DF. the way you're going about this completely disregards the content within the zones, the size of the zones, and honestly just about anything that would paint DF in a good light. Anyone can say a grape and a watermelon are the same because they're both 1 piece of fruit

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hmm, interesting that SL zones are not that far behind than DF with number of quests, while certainly it's obvious when you do both Sojourners back-to-back. Maybe SL counts all seting up covenant quests, dailies and duplicate campaign stuff (similar how Valdrakken inflates Thaldraszus count)?

I haven’t gone through the list recently but to my understanding it does count all that and every time you earn a new rank of renown and go back for a reward which is why I mention that you should take out 80 convent quest per base zone when I originally made the list.

A more accurate quest count would be something like 2118, still counting duplicate campaign quest for Sl and 2399 for Df taking out renown turn in quest.

Though this is still leaving out quest that don’t take place in DF/SL zones which DF notability had a lot more of.

[doledippers]

Though this is still leaving out quest that don’t take place in DF/SL zones which DF notability had a lot more of.

right, i know you mentioned the blue dragonflight questline, which is a good point. a good handful of the quests took place in the respective areas they sent you to. You could also kinda argue that the traveler's log in some way represents "quests" too

[Cheezits]

Something to consider about the SL covenant quests and to an extent the Legion class hall quests: if you are a player who doesn't like alts, you may never do them. So do they still count?

[Reive]

You are not, but you are also one of these one-note guys, who keep almost universally shitting on the game (and also constantly "predicting" that future content will suck). And you now claiming that SL, probably the lowest point of WoW, had superior features (like Maw or Korthia) and bending other facts when comparing expansions really does not help your case of showing constructive criticism.

1)i'm universally shitting on dragonflight, because i don't like it and i don't like how the current devs make content
2)past behavior is indicative of future behavior and the devs aren't really doing much to prove me or other doomers wrong
3)i said: 1) shadowlands had more content, which imo is true, 2) i enjoyed it more than dragonflight, 3) the patch zones were better which is also true. i don't see anyone praising zaralek or the emerald dream. at least korthia lasted more than 3 days and zereth mortis was actually good

This is a silly argument when it's a majority rules contest, where SL is hated and DF is enjoyed.

i see a lot of slow burning hatred and apathy for dragonflight tho. many claimed df was the best expansion ever but now the general consensus is that dragonflight is meh at the best. also, by every available metrics the game is deader now than it was in shadowlands

Im not gonna try and sort patch by patch for world content (quest) but here is a actual comparison from last time this came up for the whole of both expan with slight exceptions.






with those 4 being much larger bring as big as northrend and the maw having almost nothing in it at launch.

and Df instead got new events every patch so that’s equal.

not sure you’d call that SL content given that it just had a number change.

quality aside, SL has fewer dungeons with Df matching its 8 at launch and mega dungon and then exceeding it but reworking two cata dungeons with major changes.

DF PvP was also far better while also adding Ss and it’s looking like we will get a solo Rbg next patch so that’s more there.

and beyond core “content” we also had the prof rework, talent tree return, holiday reworks, ect.

All at a quicker pace then SL.

1) dragonflight zones are indeed bigger but they also have a lot of negative space and emptyness
2) the events in dragonflight are low effort and boring. most of them are the usual fill the bar event. at least torghast was unique
3) 8 og dungeons vs 8 og dungeons + 1 megadungeon for both. sl also had bigger raids
4) pvp in shadowlands was better and the partecipation way higher. ss wasn't the huge success people expected it to be
5) sl had covenants, mission table, revamped levelling, etc.
6) as i said, the quicker pace is just smoke in the eyes: most patches in dragonflight had little to no content

[Lorgar Aurelian]

right, i know you mentioned the blue dragonflight questline, which is a good point. a good handful of the quests took place in the respective areas they sent you to. You could also kinda argue that the traveler's log in some way represents "quests" too

Ya I’d think out of zone quest would likely add up to about another 100 for DL between heritage warlock, goat gilneas ect, and Mabye 40 or so for SL with the retaking of undercity and the heritage quest they had.

Though I don’t think I’d count the travelers log as like the mage tower coming back that’s mostly just old stuff.

[Cheezits]

4) pvp in shadowlands was better and the partecipation way higher. ss wasn't the huge success people expected it to be

That's just wrong, considering PVP has had its first major change in a decade (solo queue RBG) solely because of the success of SS.

[doledippers]

now the general consensus is that dragonflight is meh at the best. also, by every available metrics the game is deader now than it was in shadowlands

none of this is true. The "available metrics" show quite the opposite. season 3 of DF in mythic+ specifically is the single most popular season by total runs since BFA. And where are you getting that the general consensus is that it's "meh"? I've seen, again, quite the opposite. On MMOC, for example, it polled on average about the same rating as MoP and Legion did in their respective "final report card" polls.

Though I don’t think I’d count the travelers log as like the mage tower coming back that’s mostly just old stuff.

thats fair, im moreso arguing that it's another tally in the "things to do" box for DF. I can't speak for everyone, but i go out of my way to complete the log ASAP, and that usually involves a couple hours of extra activities i wouldn't otherwise do each month. So while minor i do think it's a positive in that regard