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    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post
    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.
    What are we supposed to think, when he didn't post anything yet? And this shit is so vague. Legion numbers from which moment of the expansion? How do we even know Legion numbers in the first place?

    Another YouTuber attention grab.
    Last edited by Makabreska; 2024-03-22 at 06:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    What are we supposed to think, when he didn't post anything yet? And this shit is so vague. Legion numbers from which moment of the expansion, how do we even know Legion numbers in the first place?
    idk some speculation/prevision about this "data" he's about to release.

    also, he said "peak legion launch numbers" so probably meant the start of the expansion
    Last edited by Reive; 2024-03-22 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I don't think I'm alone in saying I would have happily traded Plunderstorm & whatever tf Timerunning is for Tuskarr & Gnoll allied races. And I really like Plunderstorm.
    Personally don’t see Gnolls being an AR, don’t think we’ve had any non-hostile gnolls this xpac but I could be wrong.

    I’d love to see Drakonid ARs though. Would make sense via the whole Drakonid rebellion storyline & them being granted some more freedom.
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    The point is that what Paladins are doing can rather easily be considered hi-tech artificing.
    Lightborne/Guardian of Ancient Kings race concept

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Personally don’t see Gnolls being an AR, don’t think we’ve had any non-hostile gnolls this xpac but I could be wrong.

    I’d love to see Drakonid ARs though. Would make sense via the whole Drakonid rebellion storyline & them being granted some more freedom.
    There are, in fact, neutral gnolls at the end of the Amirdrassil questline who said they would protect the tree against the evil gnoll witch from that Dungeon, if I remember it correctly.

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    The Punderstorm would have been perfect if :
    - players had no level
    - no renown, currencies+vendor instead
    - no fire tornado

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    There are, in fact, neutral gnolls at the end of the Amirdrassil questline who said they would protect the tree against the evil gnoll witch from that Dungeon, if I remember it correctly.
    Oh interesting I must’ve missed that.
    Then in that case they could be a neat AR too.
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    The point is that what Paladins are doing can rather easily be considered hi-tech artificing.
    Lightborne/Guardian of Ancient Kings race concept

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    The Punderstorm would have been perfect if :
    - players had no level
    - no renown, currencies+vendor instead
    - no fire tornado
    For me what would have made it much better was a more interesting map.

    Also WoW is updating, what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    For me what would have made it much better was a more interesting map.

    Also WoW is updating, what is it?
    I guess it's just the beginning, if they do it in the future, they could do other maps (like Stormsong Valley, would be perfect)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post
    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.
    More made up nonsense for views, his “Data” has never been any thing but bullshit has he has no qualms with lying flat out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post
    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.
    The Twitch population for WoW suggests that legion figure is true. While it can't be surprising that Classic is getting more play than retail when Classic has the newest content, ironically, if you don't include Fortnite mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The Twitch population for WoW suggests that legion figure is true. While it can't be surprising that Classic is getting more play than retail when Classic has the newest content, ironically, if you don't include Fortnite mode.
    That just assumes a trend when there is no supporting data that the trend exists. There is no modeling that shows that twitch views have anything to do with the game population and if anything Classic Hardcore alone probably disproves the relation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I just wish they'd stop wasting my time by forcing me to spectate
    you can leave the match with the 'leave match' button on the bottom right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post
    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.
    Didn't he do something similar during shadowlands and got laughed at by the devs? I vaguely remember his data being backed up by the amount of logged +10 or +15 keys or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doledippers View Post
    you can leave the match with the 'leave match' button on the bottom right
    I think they're referring to the fact that it automatically switches to spectator mode through a loading screen instead of choosing the leave immediately. I guess some people got long loading screens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think they're referring to the fact that it automatically switches to spectator mode through a loading screen instead of choosing the leave immediately. I guess some people got long loading screens?
    hm maybe, but if thats the case im sorry but i dont think i could give less of a shit. sure its very minorly annoying, but youre in spectator for what, all of 2 seconds? idk, non issue imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reive View Post
    https://twitter.com/BellularGaming/s...07504808362311

    apparenty sbellular is going to release some data to prove that wow is back at legion level numbers tomorrow. he also said that retail is well below legion levels and that classic is a large chunk of the playerbase

    thoughts? I expect some shady ass numbers and a lot of drama.
    Eh, I don't really trust any unofficial numbers, especially from someone who clickbaits for a living.

    edit: If he can provide solid sources though then fine I guess.
    Last edited by Kiivar86; 2024-03-22 at 08:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Eh, I don't really trust any unofficial numbers, especially from someone who clickbaits for a living.

    edit: If he can provide solid sources though then fine I guess.
    There are no real solid sources to be honest. The best one is M+ because you got an official API there but that didnt exist before 9.1.5 so any comparison to Legion is really pointless. You could use WCL and Raiding but that doesnt really represent the whole playerbase so extrapolating from that is problematic. Twitch numbers are just a joke and not even worth discussing. The other problem is that there are now 2 arguably 3 games included in this subscription with cross over so you cant just start adding up numbers(thats even ignoring that WCL data contains alts etc.)

    Now the most reliable way would be to reverse engineer earnings reports but as you're dealing with different regions and also includes MTX thats also bound to be inaccurate. So at best you can look at trends within specific parts of the game.
    Last edited by justwatching; 2024-03-22 at 08:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doledippers View Post
    hm maybe, but if thats the case im sorry but i dont think i could give less of a shit. sure its very minorly annoying, but youre in spectator for what, all of 2 seconds? idk, non issue imo
    It also forces an extra loading screen. It is fast but it is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It also forces an extra loading screen. It is fast but it is pointless.
    Man, it is such a non issue. We are scraping the literal bottom of a barrel here.
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