The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Still can't believe they wasted the name "Uldorus" on useless Tyrhold.

What I don'tr get there is that we already got a similarly named facility in Antorus. And Antorus was the facility directly around the world soul of Argus. Keeping the naming scheme consistent and using it for a similar facility would have made more sense imo.

[KayRule]

Imagine a plot twist.

11.0 is the Nerubian raid. We learn Xal'atath is harvesting Old God blood for her nefarious plans.

11.1 is Avaloren, as we realise they're fanatics and the leaders of the Arathi are psychos draining light from the innocent crystal, or forcing it to remain in it light form to sustain themselves, when it's really meant to enter its shadowy form as part of its natural cycle.

11.2 is Uldaz, a giant Titan stasis prison where the worldsoul is. Different Earthen and Titanforged are essentially Aman'Thul's secret special forces, making sure the worldsoul stays in stasis.

Avaloren will not be patch content. It's future future expac content, beyond Worldsoul Saga.

I don't know why every time this obvious setup stuff happens everyone wants it to be content patch'd and swept away. People in these threads did the same thing with Dragon Isles for 3 years.

We're going to keep getting seeds of lore for Avaloren over the next 3 expansions, so when we finally go there it's not a giant asspull like it would be right this minute.

[Darkarath]

Yeah and we know that Avaloren was north of Northrend or at least close to it, so it will make sense to keep building it and go there after TLT.

Pretty sure that Avaloren is going to span multiple expansions, although it is a risky bet, as players might want to go back to Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms after the events of the Worldsoul Saga.

Chances are that another world changing event happens in Midnight or in TLT. 2-3 expansions in Avaloren and then go back to rediscover the old continents could be cool. By then we will be almost 60 years old

[Makabreska]

Yeah and we know that Avaloren was north of Northrend or at least close to it, so it will make sense to keep building it and go there after TLT.

North of Northrend? So basically polar cap?

[Makabreska]

Wasn't there some source that said the Arathi sailed west below Kalimdor southernmost tip before establishing their new kingdom, or did I imagine that?

What I only found was a Blizzcon interview:

Anne Stickney: These guys are a splintered tribe of the original Arathi Empire from back in the day, before they split into the seven kingdoms that we know of. It was a massive - all of humanity came together in this Empire. And there was a group of them who left and they spawned their own kingdom across the sea. These guys are a splintered group from that kingdom that received a vision about a falling star, and it took them to Harrowfall.

[Darkarath]

Do we know its location? IIRC it's just not on Ancient Kalimdor. One can assume it's nearby Ulduar but I haven't seen any official information on this?

In the Wreckage Analysis Report it is stated that remains of the third expedition sent to Avaloren are found in the Keepers' shores. Since Odyn was in charge by then and he ruled from Ulduar, the report must be referring to the shores of Northrend.

After this report it would be weird that they place Avaloren far from the north. And again. It matches perfectly for a new beginning after TLT.

Of course, if Azeroth is born or some shit happens, we might have another Cataclysm and they could set old and new continents wherever they want.

[Nymrohd]

Why on earth do people think Avaloren is north of Northrend? We are given no clue to its location beyond the fact that it is beyond the original Kalimdor mass. The suggestions we have for its location, e.g. The Tragedy of Erinethria or the Return of the Nightsquall, all suggest it is west, past the Storming Sea.

[Darkarath]

I mean it was all just one landmass then, presumably. The report feels like it's from the pre-Sundering era. So beyond their shores could be any direction from what we know as Azeroth today.

That said, I agree Odyn was likely hanging around in Ulduar at the time, and given that there was more Titanforged activity up north, it wouldn't surprise me if Avaloren was pretty close.

But it doesn't have to be. For all we know, it could be a fancy name for the Other side of Azeroth.

Yes it is a pre-sundering report, which is why I think that it makes more sense that Avaloren is up north. The report says "our shores". I do not think that it would say that if it was referring to any other point in an immense continent.

At any rate, I agree that at this point it is just speculation.

Hopefully this week will give us plenty of new stuff to talk about.

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Why on earth do people think Avaloren is north of Northrend? We are given no clue to its location beyond the fact that it is beyond the original Kalimdor mass. The suggestions we have for its location, e.g. The Tragedy of Erinethria or the Return of the Nightsquall, all suggest it is west, past the Storming Sea.

Wrong IMO.

The tragedy of Erinethria probably refers to another continent, not Avaloren. The Nightsquall could refer to any of these two.

[Viridiel]

In the Wreckage Analysis Report it is stated that remains of the third expedition sent to Avaloren are found in the Keepers' shores. Since Odyn was in charge by then and he ruled from Ulduar, the report must be referring to the shores of Northrend.

After this report it would be weird that they place Avaloren far from the north. And again. It matches perfectly for a new beginning after TLT.

Of course, if Azeroth is born or some shit happens, we might have another Cataclysm and they could set old and new continents wherever they want.

I'm not sure that's a safe assumption at all. The titanforged would likely refer to every shore on Kalimdor as "their shores", but even if not then it's equally likely Perethales is referring to the shores of wherever it is that they're stationed specifically. They have a Greek name like Koranos so it's possible they were referring to the Dragon Isles, which wasn't part of Kalimdor but was also claimed by the titanforged as "our shores".

It very well may turn out that Avaloren is actually on the other side of Quel'Danas and it'll show up in Midnight. I don't think we've really had any indication of why everyone doesn't just go east if the Storming Sea is so impenetrable. What could be worse than magical storms and terrible sea monsters?

[Auxis]

What I only found was a Blizzcon interview:

Anne Stickney: These guys are a splintered tribe of the original Arathi Empire from back in the day, before they split into the seven kingdoms that we know of. It was a massive - all of humanity came together in this Empire. And there was a group of them who left and they spawned their own kingdom across the sea. These guys are a splintered group from that kingdom that received a vision about a falling star, and it took them to Harrowfall.

So.. wait-
There's another potential group of splinter Arathi somewhere out in the seas that the Hallowfall Arathi splintered from for a religious pilgrimage? Is that what Anne is saying?

Because I'm reading that as:
Arathi Empire > splinter group founded kingdom on the seas > group splintered from that kingdom due to visions of the crystal

[Makabreska]

So.. wait-
There's another potential group of splinter Arathi somewhere out in the seas that the Hallowfall Arathi splintered from for a religious pilgrimage? Is that what Anne is saying?

Because I'm reading that as:
Arathi Empire > splinter group founded kingdom on the seas > group splintered from that kingdom due to visions of the crystal

Ye, pretty much.

[Sondrelk]

So.. wait-
There's another potential group of splinter Arathi somewhere out in the seas that the Hallowfall Arathi splintered from for a religious pilgrimage? Is that what Anne is saying?

Because I'm reading that as:
Arathi Empire > splinter group founded kingdom on the seas > group splintered from that kingdom due to visions of the crystal

That is the way it's understood. There is of course the strong possibility that she misspoke, and that what she meant was that it's just a regular splinter group from Arathi proper, but if what she said is correct then the only other option besides Avaloren is that she meant a splinter group from Kul Tiras.

Regardless, I suppose there isnt much to do but wait and see. I imagine it will be made clear fairly quickly whether the Hallowsfall Arathi are part of a greater human kingdom beyond the sea or not.

[Makabreska]

I hope there is an Arathi kingdom out there somewhere. Imagine meeting humans whose background is familiar up to a certain point, but that aren't so shaped by the four wars, the Lich King, etc.

This is literally what's gonna happen in Hallowfall.

[huth]

In the Wreckage Analysis Report it is stated that remains of the third expedition sent to Avaloren are found in the Keepers' shores. Since Odyn was in charge by then and he ruled from Ulduar, the report must be referring to the shores of Northrend.

After this report it would be weird that they place Avaloren far from the north. And again. It matches perfectly for a new beginning after TLT.

Of course, if Azeroth is born or some shit happens, we might have another Cataclysm and they could set old and new continents wherever they want.

Nothing is North of Northrend. Everything is to the south from there.

Besides, all that means is that the currents force drifting wood from Avaloren to Northrend.

Your assumption that the report is about a place near Ulduar just because Odyn was ruling from there at the time is based on nothing. The report could be from the other end of the world, including places that no longer exist. The keepers were all over the continent.

[Darkarath]

Nothing is North of Northrend. Everything is to the south from there.

Besides, all that means is that the currents force drifting wood from Avaloren to Northrend.

Your assumption that the report is about a place near Ulduar just because Odyn was ruling from there at the time is based on nothing. The report could be from the other end of the world, including places that no longer exist. The keepers were all over the continent.

Time will tell.

I think that there could be some landmass between Northrend and the Dragon Isles to the North.

And the extent of the Keepers' grasp over Ancient Kalimdor was not that strong IMO. They only had a few strongholds over an enormous continent.

In any case, Azeroth is getting way bigger after the Worldsoul Saga. I highly doubt that Avaloren and Kalimdor are the only continents of our planet.

[Cherry123]

And so TWW again focuses on the main characters... Shadowlands didn't handle this very well. I think TWW will be bad and boring, but at midnight it will be a good expansion. Blood elf aesthetic will do all the work

[Makorus]

Focuses on the main characters compared to what?

[Makabreska]

And so TWW again focuses on the main characters... Shadowlands didn't handle this very well. I think TWW will be bad and boring, but at midnight it will be a good expansion. Blood elf aesthetic will do all the work

And which expansion did not focus on main cast?

[Cheezits]

Hopefully TWW does what DF didn't do (but SL did, surprisingly) and the zone characters actually matter to the story. Once you finished each zones the races that weren't dragons instantly didn't matter.

If they HAVE to have a main core cast, they should mostly feature in cinematics and a certain campaign questline.

[Auxis]

And which expansion did not focus on main cast?

Last expansion I can recall that DIDN'T have a main cast was TBC.