The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KOUNTERPARTS]

If that counts as "the same orcs" then the Draenei are also culpable for everything the Eredar did. You're being a bit lackidasical about what affiliations count & which don't.

I find it odd you always make matter-of-fact statements on lore points that you’re consistently wrong about. Why do you do this?

[Nymrohd]

Anyway we are leaving speculation and going back into lore discussion. There is really no link between the current story and an Yrel-based Light xpac. Murozond could provide a link but there are far more immediate follow ups with Odyn and/or Avaloren for Yrel to be next unless those plots are tied up in 10.3

[Ersula]

What on earth? It very much is the same orcs. AU Grom led a draenei genocide, we see it in game. He just failed at it because we intervened. It is the exact same people from the WoD campaign. The ones that assaulted both Karabor and Shattrath, civilian centres, with weapons of mass destruction and enslaved countless draenei and dissident orcs.
Meanwhile the Sargerei among the AU Draenei are pretty much wiped out by the players.

Kil'jaedin & Archimonde convincing Orcs to kill Draenei because the Draenei picked the Orcs homeland to settle on. Yeah, it would be unfair to blame an entire race for those crimes unless you are the Alliance, who would do such a thing while completely absolving the person who actually concocted that entire situation. (He's Neltharion's son & his name rhymes with Brathion)

[Nightshade711]

Exactly. Either way, there's no way an expansion based on WoW's worst expansion will see the light of day. WoD was a failure and was hated. They have no reason to go back on it.

Dragonflight has opened many doors leading to Avaloren.

This, so much this.
The only reason why the Lightbound/Yrel existed was to give plausible reasons for the Mag’har to be an allied race without copy-pasting the Dark Iron story.

You’d think there’d be hints in-game to Yrel resurfacing, especially in a patch dedicated to alternate timelines, if there were any plans on bringing her back.

There are so many better factions/people they could pull from if blizzard really wanted to do a cringey “subvert expectations light bad” expansion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Kil'jaedin & Archimonde convincing Orcs to kill Draenei because the Draenei picked the Orcs homeland to settle on. Yeah, it would be unfair to blame an entire race for those crimes unless you are the Alliance, who would do such a thing while completely absolving the person who actually concocted that entire situation. (He's Neltharion's son & his name rhymes with Brathion)

KJ and arch didn’t convince the Wod orcs to
Kill the goats said orcs rejected them, remember the “we will never be slaves, but we will be conquers.” Bit?

The goats also don’t blame all the orcs they had the light bound who willingly joined and would Undoudtly show up if the goats were ever used as light infused orcs including giving us a holy garrosh.

[Teriz]

Being a zealot is not the same thing as being a villain.

In this case it is, since we know she is forcefully converting others to the light. We have Mag’har in the Horde to verify it, and we experienced it first hand.

Also her religious zealotry can explain why Arrakoa and Ogres would flee Draenor and attempt to join the factions as new races in order to escape persecution and subjugation like the Mag’har did in BFA.

We spent an entire expansion helping build Yrel up to be a leader to the draenei people that her Velen would be proud of, back in Warlords of Draenor. It's unfair to her character to claim she will be an expansion villain (or lieutenant) just because of one singular, brief quest line.

Our history with her makes her fall into villainy all the more potent and tragic. That’s what makes her potentially a very compelling villain.

Also we have the Mag’har who are in our ranks now because Yrel went crazy. Unless we think a playable race is lying or exaggerating, I don’t think we’re being unfair to her character at all. She’s a dangerous threat, pure and simple.

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Exactly. Either way, there's no way an expansion based on WoW's worst expansion will see the light of day. WoD was a failure and was hated. They have no reason to go back on it.

They could look at it that way, or they could look at it as a way to redeem themselves and the expansion’s storyline, which got cut short due to internal issues.

I believe it’ll be the latter.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Also we have the Mag’har who are in our ranks now because Yrel went crazy. Unless we think a playable race is lying or exaggerating, I don’t think we’re being unfair to her character at all. She’s a dangerous threat, pure and simple.

I mean this is kinda the horde MO since BFA with things like Saurfang agreeing to start the war because the alliance under anduin might wipe them out or Rexxar saying he has to stop Jiana for being like her father when literally all she had done was help the alliance try and stop sylvanas after a genocide.

The Mag’har being full of it and actually having started the conflict and being the ones destroying the world while the goats just said enough is enough would be in brand.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

There was cut content about Yrel having "dark secrets" that only Velen knew about, i feel like if they bring Yrel back, they might use and expand the thing that was set up to happen in WoD but well, was cut.

Maybe she went crazy with light after all these years in "You either do what i told you or you're an enemy" way.

I think Yrel being a villain or doing something bad would be a lot more original than AGAIN having orcs taking the blame and being the ones making problems.. Like give my orc brethren a break.

[Ielenia]

In this case it is, since we know she is forcefully converting others to the light. We have Mag’har in the Horde to verify it, and we experienced it first hand.

We experienced one side of the story, at best.

Also her religious zealotry can explain why Arrakoa and Ogres would flee Draenor and attempt to join the factions as new races in order to escape persecution and subjugation like the Mag’har did in BFA.

I sincerely doubt Blizzard is going to reach into WoD again just to bring arakkoa and ogres into the playable factions. Especially since the arakkoa don't really lean toward any of the factions. At best, they fit the Horde. None of those two really fit the Alliance.

Our history with her makes her fall into villainy all the more potent and tragic.

And it's precisely our story with her in WoD that makes no sense for her to fall into villainy. Again: she's supposed to grow into a competent leader who Velen would be proud of. That was her entire arc in WoD. To say it should be undone because of the story told by one side is... nonsensical.

I should remind you that we're talking about the same orcs who waged genocidal war, completely unprovoked, against the draenei. And their leader (at least in Draenor) was the very orc who orchestrated and led the genocide against the draenei. For all we know the conversion might not be coerced despite what one side of the story tells us.

Unless we think a playable race is lying or exaggerating, I don’t think we’re being unfair to her character at all.

A race being "playable' or not does not preclude their leaders (or VIPs) from lying, misrepresenting or exaggerating a story.

She’s a dangerous threat, pure and simple.

So is Thrall, Jaina, Illidan, Malfurion, etc. Being powerful doesn't mean one is a "threat". Again, the side of the story being told in the Mag'har recruitment scenario goes directly against the story being told in WoD if taken at face value.

[Palapop]

... I don't think you can typically see a woman's breasts through plate armor. If you could, it would probably be very light and ineffective armor.

so yeah... it's just that art of Yrel could be done better. increasing boobs size (actually drawing SOME boobs there) and reducing her legs size by roughly.... 60%.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

so yeah... it's just that art of Yrel could be done better. increasing boobs size (actually drawing SOME boobs there) and reducing her legs size by roughly.... 60%.

There’s nothing wrong with blizzard making practical armour armour from time to time instead of silly things like judgement which is just a robe with some holy seals we pretend is plate or what ever that goat is wearing that looks like mail and is begging to be gutted.

[Nathanyel]

I think the theory that Iridikron is using The Light was because he was essentially a “mirror” of Neltharion in a way and just because of how he looks.
Though narratively I think it would be interesting if he was meant to be a mirror of Deathwing, but with the light instead of void.

Ah yes, to fight being controlled by Order, you embrace the Light, which has the end goal of a completely static universe. Or just deterministic? I can't recall atm which was which, tbh Order and Light have very similar core tenets, just different methods. Similar to Void (annihilation via consumption or madness) and Chaos (annihilation via deconstruction)

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I have yet to see a female draenei player in game wearing full armor instead of bikini mog.

But coming back to yrel - they should make lightforged garrosh her BF, that would be hilarious.

[Hellspawn]

That image if Yrel looks a bit weird in terms of anatomy, I agree with that.
Armors can come in all forms in my opinions, Warcraft and most fantasy is already so unrealistic in many way that these small armor details do not really matter in comparison.

[Nymrohd]

There are so many better factions/people they could pull from if blizzard really wanted to do a cringey “subvert expectations light bad” expansion.

I don't mind that plot. I just don't think it is coming next. We have more immediate concerns at this stage in DF. Tyr will soon be back and that should mean we would be engaging with Odyn and the rest of the Keepers which could point to Avaloren. Using that up in 10.3 would imo be moronic though sadly not unexpected; it makes more sense as an expansion or a big part of one. Azshara and/or the pirate fleet are both hinted up all over this xpac as well.
A Light plot based on Yrel COULD happen with Bronze Flight intervention or alternatively by going full retard on the One Nether concept and have them all board AU Tempest Keep and switch multiverse through the Nether or something similarly mind boggling. And it probably will happen down the line.

[Lolites]

A little over a week ago, you didn't believe they would add a 3rd spec to a class mid-expansion.

Yet here we are.

and ages ago you said DH will not happen, yet here we are...
being right ONCE in your life doesnt mean you some arbiter of truth...

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Ion did pretty much confirm that there will be more classes in the future, and there really isn't much left outside of the Tinker.

you said that before evoker, and DH, and monk, maybe even before DK i dont really remember...
everything is possible, and while i dont mind the idea of tinker, pretending its more likely than literally anything is simply dishonest...

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I’m confused by your point.

his point is undermining everything that is not tinker related

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One issue I see with Bards as just that class: would they use an entirely new 'weapon' type, an instrument? After DHs I'd be really against that.

i think its about time other specs learned how to use warglaives, its not like its solely weapon for DH, guards in silithus have it (or used to, havent been there long time)

[Nymrohd]

i think its about time other specs learned how to use warglaives, its not like its solely weapon for DH, guards in silithus have it (or used to, havent been there long time)

Night elves have always used them, spellbreakers/spellblades among highborne elves also use them. Heck you could make it an elven racial.

Imo if we get Bards, the instruments will likely simply be offhands. They will still have a mainhand weapon.

[lanerios]

I think they will probably try to do both, what you're referring to with the scarlet crusade: a cosmic light vs void expansion using forces on azeroth. Was there a hint that iridikron is making a deal with the light? I heard that somewhere, can't remember though. Void seems to make more sense but idk.

"Down to earth expansion" means Void vs Light now? Let's have a relaxed expansion for a bit, instead of yet another world ending situation. You can only do it so many times in a row before it loses any meaning.

[Lahis]

"Down to earth expansion" means Void vs Light now? Let's have a relaxed expansion for a bit, instead of yet another world ending situation. You can only do it so many times in a row before it loses any meaning.

Canonically WoW has had world ending crisises every year since Vanilla launched. Only reprieve to this is the time skip between SL and DF.

Light vs Void endwar happening on Azeroth next year is nothing new to the world at this point.

[RahEndymion]

So here is a concept.
What if 10.3's zone was in Avaloren with most of the continent hidden. You'd have the raid and everything in a part of a new continent that is OUTSIDE whatever shield is covering that place. The raid would be about preventing Iridikron and/or Murozond from getting inside but at the end of the raid the shield would be damaged and in the pre expansion event we would be taking the shield down.

I really like this idea.

Rather than unlock the whole continent in 11.0, I think it would make a shit ton more sense to set up a EK/Kali sized continent, and have that be the basis for multiple expansions where the lore is built and expanded upon and it slowly gets unlocked over time. I know the usual characters will say this would be 'too samey' or something like that but honestly, there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't have more cosmically influenced zones / areas within such a large space. It would give them more room to fully flesh things out too rather than just a spontaneous 'LOOK NEW ISLAND'.

I know this isn't going to happen because it would make me far too happy.