The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

yeah, honestly one of my favorite things from these new hero talents yesterday is the gigantic nuke that flameshaper evoker gets at the bottom of their tree. its so cool

Honestly I love it. While I like fire breath and deep breath, I felt that Evokers were missing that instant AoE blast of fire that dragons should have. Engulf looks to scratch that itch for me. Also you can get 2 charges? ::chef's kiss::

I just hope they don't whiff on the animation for the spell.

[doledippers]

Honestly I love it. While I like fire breath and deep breath, I felt that Evokers were missing that instant AoE blast of fire that dragons should have. Engulf looks to scratch that itch for me. Also you can get 2 charges? ::chef's kiss::

I just hope they don't whiff on the animation for the spell.

my vision for what engulf should look like, is like a swirling flame around literally "engulfing" the enemy, similar to Flame Cloak from elder scrolls games

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, Evokers are eating incredibly well. If Blizzard just accepts defeat and changes them to full-range like they should have been from the get-go, it might even stay my main for TWW.

That, and let them have full transmog (except maybe cloaks) for Dragon form. The cosmetic armours they get are nice and all, but not a substitute for the full diversity of transmog.
Their shape is basically just female Worgen, and they get to transmog just fine.

Tre argument that Dracthyr have more customization is bullshit. The lack of transmog drastically lowers the overall customization available by orders of magnitude.
If nothing else the least they could do is let us have the Evoker sets as customization options in Dragon Form.

[Teriz]

my vision for what engulf should look like, is like a swirling flame around literally "engulfing" the enemy, similar to Flame Cloak from elder scrolls games

I picture something like this;



And yes, I realize that's Mario Bros.

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That, and let them have full transmog (except maybe cloaks) for Dragon form. The cosmetic armours they get are nice and all, but not a substitute for the full diversity of transmog.
Their shape is basically just female Worgen, and they get to transmog just fine.

Tre argument that Dracthyr have more customization is bullshit. The lack of transmog drastically lowers the overall customization available by orders of magnitude.
If nothing else the least they could do is let us have the Evoker sets as customization options in Dragon Form.

I honestly believe that a lot of customization problems would be alleviated if they made the Dracthyr form better in general. Like give Dracthyr an option to look like this;



And you'd have less people complaining.

[Nymrohd]

That, and let them have full transmog (except maybe cloaks) for Dragon form. The cosmetic armours they get are nice and all, but not a substitute for the full diversity of transmog.
Their shape is basically just female Worgen, and they get to transmog just fine.

Tre argument that Dracthyr have more customization is bullshit. The lack of transmog drastically lowers the overall customization available by orders of magnitude.
If nothing else the least they could do is let us have the Evoker sets as customization options in Dragon Form.

I mean if you look at the AI thread and what AI has done with Dracthyr, keeping the shape of the creature but adding mog on it, the lack of mog in game is what makes it really fall short. They need to find a way to fit mogs on them and bar that, they should have at least made tier sets custom to Dracthyr!

[Makorus]

That, and let them have full transmog (except maybe cloaks) for Dragon form. The cosmetic armours they get are nice and all, but not a substitute for the full diversity of transmog.
Their shape is basically just female Worgen, and they get to transmog just fine.

Tre argument that Dracthyr have more customization is bullshit. The lack of transmog drastically lowers the overall customization available by orders of magnitude.
If nothing else the least they could do is let us have the Evoker sets as customization options in Dragon Form.

Honestly, I would be happy enough if you could have a separate mog for your Dragon Form and your humanoid form.

I think people are overblowing the whole Customization issue for Evokers because realistically, you will only be in Dragon-form during combat, where realistically, you are not gonna look at your transmog anyway.

[Sondrelk]

Honestly, I would be happy enough if you could have a separate mog for your Dragon Form and your humanoid form.

I think people are overblowing the whole Customization issue for Evokers because realistically, you will only be in Dragon-form during combat, where realistically, you are not gonna look at your transmog anyway.

I think that's a copout answer. We don't stick to primarily Dragon form in large part because of the lack of customization. Visage form is where you get to show off your mog.

Imagine if the same was true for Worgen. You could have lots of fun customization options, but the race itself would be discounted as just a combat form for regular humans.

[huth]

Slightly OT perhaps, but since we're discussing Hero Talents... which characters do you have in mind for TWW, based on what we know so far?

I'm thinking of having one of each class ready, but realistically I'll probably only have one main and three main alts to fill the login screen camp.

Decided for the "Camp" So Far

Mine will have Kul Tiran Chosen of Elune (enough with all those scrawny NE that can't even throw their own moons), Human Frost Mage (prob. Spellslinger, but not fully decided) and NE Rogue (mainly for Alchemy, so hero spec will be mostly decided on thematic fit). Rest undecided so far.

[Cheezits]

Blizz not responding to the FOMO concerns for Piratepalooza makes me wonder if that means it's something very long (until TWW) so they don't think it needs addressing, or its incredibly short and they won't confirm it.

[Teriz]

Slightly OT perhaps, but since we're discussing Hero Talents... which characters do you have in mind for TWW, based on what we know so far?

With Scalecommander and Flameshaper looking boss af, I'm going to give Devastation Evoker another go after benching it for Augmentation. It'll be nice to finally switch off of Augmentation (although I adore the spec) and have two legitimate DPS specs competing for my attention. I'm keeping an eye on Chronowarden as well.

I'm hoping Enhancement Shaman have some interesting talents. I'm really looking at Stormbringer to interest me. Farseer just seems "okay" to me and really didn't wow me. I don't know what to make of Totemic yet, but I don't think its going to be good.

My Death Knight has been collecting mothballs since Legion, but I might pull him out of storage for Riders of the Apocalypse. I've wanted horseback-based combat since Vanilla, and rolling in with your four horsemen behind you sounds like a great visual. I don't care if it's outdoors only, shoot it directly into my veins!

[Makorus]

Blizz not responding to the FOMO concerns for Piratepalooza makes me wonder if that means it's something very long (until TWW) so they don't think it needs addressing, or its incredibly short and they won't confirm it.

Jesus christ it's 3 days away.

People bitching about the limited time stuff when we literally don't even know what limited time is, or what it even entails.

[Ersula]

People bitching about the limited time stuff when we literally don't even know what limited time is, or what it even entails.

The apprehension makes sense when you remember limited time stuff in wow usually isn't very good. For example, the Hearthstone event, The diablo Event, the War of Thorns, Dragonflight's pre-event, were all pretty annoying, underwhelming or broken. The best "Limited Time" events were the Legion pre-event & that really wasn't "limited time" because it became permanent in the form of Broken Isles invasions.

[Auxis]

So I took a better look at 2 of the trees I glossed over yesterday.

Didn't realize that Druid of the Claw is sorta going for a power-shift thing, giving you synergy between Bear and Cat forms, one providing the other a buff and whatnot. Dunno if it's going to be great for dps, but I liked being able to use both well in Classic. Felt druidic.

The other is Pack Leader. I honestly still have no idea wtf that is supposed to be. It just feels like BM/SV but just trying to be something better?

Here's to hoping Sentinel will focus on ranged combat as a simple archer tree.

Also just took a better look at Slayer.
Not as bad as I initially thought. The Keystone still just feels like a weaker Overpower but I guess it will synergise with it, given Overpower is a buff answer Keystone is a debuff. I think the Keystone was the thing making me feel like this is something already available to Fury/Arms.

[Lady Atia]

So I took a better look at 2 of the trees I glossed over yesterday.

Didn't realize that Druid of the Claw is sorta going for a power-shift thing, giving you synergy between Bear and Cat forms, one providing the other a buff and whatnot. Dunno if it's going to be great for dps, but I liked being able to use both well in Classic. Felt druidic.

The other is Pack Leader. I honestly still have no idea wtf that is supposed to be. It just feels like BM/SV but just trying to be something better?

Here's to hoping Sentinel will focus on ranged combat as a simple archer tree.

Also just took a better look at Slayer.
Not as bad as I initially thought. The Keystone still just feels like a weaker Overpower but I guess it will synergise with it, given Overpower is a buff answer Keystone is a debuff. I think the Keystone was the thing making me feel like this is something already available to Fury/Arms.

Sentinel is shared between MM and SV, so I hardly doubt it will be focusing on "ranged combat as a simple archer tree"^^

[Auxis]

Imagine if they gave each Hero spec its own cosmetic weapon that fits the spec thematically. Like how the Dun Algar Stormrider hammers are ostensibly the Mountain Thane weapons.

No chance in hell they'd do it, but it would be great for immersion imo.

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Sentinel is shared between MM and SV, so I hardly doubt it will be focusing on "ranged combat as a simple archer tree"^^

Fair point. So what does that leave? Chakrams/glaives?

Sentinels don't really have that much going for them beyond that.

[Ersula]

Imagine if they gave each Hero spec its own cosmetic weapon that fits the spec thematically. Like how the Dun Algar Stormrider hammers are ostensibly the Mountain Thane weapons.

No chance in hell they'd do it, but it would be great for immersion imo.

...Which wouldn't make sense for any non-dwarf mountain thanes. This is like the exact opposite thing the Dark Ranger people are complaining about.

[Marlamin]

The apprehension makes sense when you remember limited time stuff in wow usually isn't very good. For example, the Hearthstone event, The diablo Event, the War of Thorns, Dragonflight's pre-event, were all pretty annoying, underwhelming or broken. The best "Limited Time" events were the Legion pre-event & that really wasn't "limited time" because it became permanent in the form of Broken Isles invasions.

I think the fact they were annoying, underwhelming or broken makes it a good thing they were limited time. The more succesful things that were initially advertised as limited time got made permanent or recurring because they were succesful.

"Limited time" in WoW to me means "discarded if unsuccesful, made permanent/recurring if succesful", especially now the event in 10.2.6 is spearheaded by the experimental gameplay team.

[Cheezits]

Diablo and Hearthstone events were low effort bevcause they were only meant for one week, ever. Hard to put lots of resources on that.

I doubt this event is that short, but considering I have seen some posts saying the event will probably end with S4 start, it is a concern on players minds even if it isn't super likely.

I am going to guess that, like the Black Market items, it will last until pre patch.

[Enrif]

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My main was always going to be my human blood dk , which is my main since Wrath. And I’m happy with both hero specs. Will probably go with deathbringer mostly unless I need the extra healing from sanlayn.

I thought of perhaps taking one of my hunter alts, survival, but have to see if sentinel is interesting, as pack leader is boring.

[Zardas]

Jesus christ it's 3 days away.

People bitching about the limited time stuff when we literally don't even know what limited time is, or what it even entails.

I want to play it, but I don't want to have to resub right now. Regardless of the content or quality of the event, the fact that it's limited time is worthy of complaint.