The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

I think the reason they advertise new zones/raids/dungeons is so they can throw them footage up in the background organically

[Ersula]

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

To sum up this entire topic: Hero Talents & Delves are the big features of TWW but judging by them not showing us anything regarding delves implies it's going to be like Torghast; a thing that they're going to struggle with & ultimately be a detriment to the entire expansion experience.

[Makorus]

Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

To sum up this entire topic: Hero Talents & Delves are the big features of TWW but judging by them not showing us anything regarding delves implies it's going to be like Torghast; a thing that they're going to struggle with & ultimately be a detriment to the entire expansion experience.

They haven't shown us anything about anything wtf are people here smoking

[Ersula]

They haven't shown us anything about anything wtf are people here smoking

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

[Treegdar]

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

I'll be shocked if Delves end up being good, but not because they haven't shown us much about them before Alpha even starts. I think you're reading way too much into it.

[Makorus]

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

What the fuck logic is this? If they had shown off anything at Blizzcon, they would have shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay. And if they had shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay, Delves would have been good? What?

First of all, we didn't get a demo for the Legion reveal. I was at gamescom, they had at least ~100 demo PCs there, but the only thing you could test on them was 6.2. We got Mardum and DHs during Blizzcon which was months after.

We got Bastion gameplay for SL, we got Nazmir and Atal'dazar for BfA.

That was it. That's all the demos they ever had for reveals. Now, we didn't see a single piece of gameplay for Torghast at reveal, so I dont know what you are trying to say here. We also didn't see a single piece of gameplay for Legion Artifacts, M+, World Quests, updated professions or anything. All of that was non-existant until Alpha.

[Ersula]

Warbands is the #1 feature of TWW. I can't wait, and this is massive for the game. Perhaps one of the most significant features ever implemented.

Which is sad because making quest progress & currencies account wide for all intents & purposes could be a minor feature in a minor patch. Honestly my biggest question is why is it limited to 4 characters? That's such an arbitrary number. I have 5 alts I want to play.

What the fuck logic is this? If they had shown off anything at Blizzcon, they would have shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay.

First of all, we didn't get a demo for the Legion reveal. I was at gamescom, they had at least ~100 demo PCs there, but the only thing you could test on them was 6.2. We got Mardum and DHs during Blizzcon which was months after.

1 month later. Not months. We're 4 months further in than that right now. They might not have had playable builds but they did show us all the artifacts at Blizzcon, as well as detailed Mythic+ (being an extension of MoP challenge mode) as well as screenshots of all those features. But for delves, Ion could barely explain what it's even supposed to be.

TWW is clearly the outlier here.

I just want to remind everyone that they called the Dragonflight Profession system "the new 4th pillar" of the game alongside Mythics, Raids & PvP....then they said that exact same thing about delves. As if we're goldfish with no memory. So it's fair to predict Delves are going to be as disappointing as the profession system was.

[Enrif]

Because people love new zones, dungeons, and raids. They are what make wow the game it is at the fundamental level. Obviously Blizz is gonna show off the new stuff that actually makes the game.

Showcase, sure, i don't mind. But promoting them as a new noteworthy feature is kind of moot.

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I think the reason they advertise new zones/raids/dungeons is so they can throw them footage up in the background organically

That's fine. But does that need to be promoted like a big thing?

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Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

I don't think you can impress any new player with "dwarf zone with fantasy name" or "cold forest zone on dragon island". Zones and their aesthetic are a given. At best if it is a huge story relevant reveal, like argus was in legion, but that will impact long time players, not new players.

[Darkarath]

Warbands is the #1 feature of TWW. I can't wait, and this is massive for the game. Perhaps one of the most significant features ever implemented.

I agree.

While I understand that some people might see it as something that should have been in the game 10 years ago and that it is in fact a QoL feature, that does not diminishes its value in any way.

Warbands are going to be loved by 99% of the playerbase. It will make the game so much better and it will allow us to play whatever character we want.

I have been meticulously killing all my alts for years because eventually I realised that I had so many things done with my main and so much shit to do still, that spending time in alts seems like a waste of time (my problem, I know, but I think that many players share this mental illness). With Warbands this problem will be (eventually) gone.

I will play even more WoW (if that's possible) thanks to this feature.

[Makorus]

Which is sad because making quest progress & currencies account wide for all intents & purposes could be a minor feature in a minor patch. Honestly my biggest question is why is it limited to 4 characters? That's such an arbitrary number. I have 5 alts I want to play.1 month later. Not months. We're 4 months further in than that right now. They might not have had playable builds but they did show us all the artifacts at Blizzcon, as well as detailed Mythic+ (being an extension of MoP challenge mode) as well as screenshots of all those features. But for delves, Ion could barely explain what it's even supposed to be.

TWW is clearly the outlier here.

I just want to remind everyone that they called the Dragonflight Profession system "the new 4th pillar" of the game alongside Mythics, Raids & PvP....then they said that exact same thing about delves. As if we're goldfish with no memory. So it's fair to predict Delves are going to be as disappointing as the profession system was.

In what world is Professions not the 4th next pillar?

The amount of people spamming trade chat day in day out just proves that, plus it's probably the easiest gearing path.

[Ersula]

In what world is Professions not the 4th next pillar?

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

[justwatching]

Blizzcon 2015 was 3 Months after Gamescom. So yes it was Months later.

Also Ion explained perfectly fine what Delves are.

[Lady Atia]

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

Lol they never said that? They said you will be able to craft the gear for other people without having to step into a Mythic raid, which is true?

[Makorus]

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

What? That was always a thing, that you would need drops from Raids/M+/PvP to make appropriate gear. It is absolutely a pillar of gearing, just because you require other content doesn't invalidate that. In what world would it make sense to just be able to craft Mythic gear?

21.04.2022:

-To keep crafted gear relevant, the team wants there to be options equivalent to mythic raiding level, but players will never just be able to go to an auction house and buy sets of gear at max item level. It will involve BOP crafting items or recipes that are obtained from higher level content.

-Players will be able to use their own BOP crafting items to get gear crafted by other players by utilizing work orders.

[Cherry123]

??? in what world is Anduin not popular? That's why he has been in near enough every single expansion since Cataclysm, has a huge focus in Hearthstone, was in Heroes of the Storm and is gonna appear in TWW.
No, sorry, the only people who dislike Anduins are chuds who don't even play the game anymore. It's the same mental gymnastics that people use to claim that "No, people *totally* hate Sylvanas! The only reason she is in the game is because of Danuser!!!"

The fact that they include this in every expansion as an agenda doesn't make it popular among the community. He's too spineless and uninteresting a character to pay for. No woman will buy his statue because he's that nerd in high school. No man will buy his statue because Anduin has a small penis aura. So I guarantee that Anduin will never get a statue or anything worth more than $15 in his life. At most, a chibi-style sticker or something like that for a couple of cents.

[justwatching]

Yeah I dont think I would describe Anduin as popular.

[doledippers]

No man will buy his statue because Anduin has a small penis aura.

no judgement but i think you're in the minority if you think about a fictional character's dick size when buying a statue of them

[Ersula]

What? That was always a thing, that you would need drops from Raids/M+/PvP to make appropriate gear. It is absolutely a pillar of gearing, just because you require other content doesn't invalidate that. In what world would it make sense to just be able to craft Mythic gear?

If PVP, Raiding & Dungeons are the pillars of wow, that means things that are completely independent of each other. You don't need to pvp to accel at raiding, etc. If it doesn't do that, it's not a pillar, it's a supplement.

[Cherry123]

no judgement but i think you're in the minority if you think about a fictional character's dick size when buying a statue of them

Haven't you heard about Small Dick Energy? it's not about genitals it's more about the general characteristics of a person

Anduin really exudes luser aura, constantly sad and whiny

[Makorus]

The fact that they include this in every expansion as an agenda doesn't make it popular among the community. He's too spineless and uninteresting a character to pay for. No woman will buy his statue because he's that nerd in high school. No man will buy his statue because Anduin has a small penis aura. So I guarantee that Anduin will never get a statue or anything worth more than $15 in his life. At most, a chibi-style sticker or something like that for a couple of cents.

Surely they would not include it as the agenda if people vehemently hated the character?

Most non-pathologically online people actually enjoy the character, funnily enough, and the only complaints you get are Asmongold Subreddits or MMOChampion threads (both places where people who don't actually play the game gather).

Obviously, has to be taken with the grainiest of salts, but realistically, the only way to gather any type of information about character popularity:

He has a high/if not highest amount of fanfictions on most fanfiction websites. He has a high amount of fanart on most art websites (not as much as Sylvanas/Jaina/Thrall, but I never said he is more popular than them). People clearly create content around characters they like.

Also: Blizzard literally does market research. They wouldn't make content around a game that the majority of the playerbase hates.

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If PVP, Raiding & Dungeons are the pillars of wow, that means things that are completely independent of each other. You don't need to pvp to accel at raiding, etc. If it doesn't do that, it's not a pillar, it's a supplement.

You certainly need to do M+ to excel in Raiding and vice versa. It's been a recent thing where you didn't need to do Raiding to get good gear/trinkets for PVP, and some classes still have PVP trinkets high in the bis list.