The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

They just had to make him look like that.
Probably based on one of the developers. They're so narcissistic.

You think one of the developers is a grey-skinned dwarf with white hair and glowing orange eyes?

[Skildar]

I don't disagree that the Radiant Song might not actually be Azeroth, for the record, it could very well be anything. I just wanted to point out that Magni is a biased source and there's a certain amount of gullibility in taking his "I'm talking directly to Azeroth and she says X" as reliable facts. So him not hearing anything now doesn't really tell us much about who is speaking.

Radiant song got me thinking of the first ones. ^^'

[Makorus]

A very powerful extension of the talent system indeed. For now, it seems that fantasy wise it would not carry much weight, which is good and bad at the same time.

Another thing that bothers me is that, if I understood correctly, the Warband system will not make account-wide achievements related to killing raid or dungeon bosses in a certain way. A major fuck up IMO, as there are achievements that require an specific class to do, or a healer, for instance. I would allow that they will not make those TWW's achievements account-wide at first. But the ones from older expansions? Why not?

Every achievement is gonna count account-wide for points and metas, however, they will show up as uncompleted in your achievement journal for characters that didn't do it. There will probably be a filter that toggles between character completion and warband completion (I think there is something like that already for account-wide achievements in current WoW)

[Hitei]

What I find pretty weird with his design is that he doesn't bear the colours of the dark irons or the the ones of the bronzebeard and I was expecting a mix of both

I think they're tapping into his mother's look. Most of her in-game appearances have had her wearing dark purple robes, so they leaned into the purple and black.

[Dracullus]

I expected to wake up to juicy 11.0 news
Instead, I wake up to Blizzard destroying Dalaran, my favourite city in WoW and where all my RP is based

I'm not well folks T-T

Story need meaningful loses like Broken Shore to progress and remain interesting.

Literally since BfA we had too many fake ones - like defeating Mekkatorque-- oh wait he escaped, maybe Jain-- nope, Azshara? Escaped. Literally all interesting stuff happening in 8.3 - N'zoth Illusion. Then SL/DF was either completely new lore (Shadowland realms, Primalists) and when once we dealt with someone we knew - Sylvanas... she didn't die either. We only got to N'zoth and even that is contested pretty often by community, cause happened in weird nightmare realm, not him on Azeroth attacking places we know.

And it was same other way. What important good guy died since 7.0? And it was literally 8 years ago.

Every achievement is gonna count account-wide for points and metas, however, they will show up as uncompleted in your achievement journal for characters that didn't do it. There will probably be a filter that toggles between character completion and warband completion (I think there is something like that already for account-wide achievements in current WoW)

They said that? That would be step back for me. Jesus, every time I hope they are going full in with account wide stuff..

[Reive]

You think one of the developers is a grey-skinned dwarf with white hair and glowing orange eyes?

dagran looks like a soyboy, and you can bet that at least one of the devs looks like that

[Darkarath]

Every achievement is gonna count account-wide for points and metas, however, they will show up as uncompleted in your achievement journal for characters that didn't do it. There will probably be a filter that toggles between character completion and warband completion (I think there is something like that already for account-wide achievements in current WoW)

Yeah but I think that that's how it works today for those achievements. The hope was that all of them will be ''blue''. Minor complaint about a wonderful system I guess, but it just does not make much sense to me. Same with the restrictions about not being able to collect other classes tier sets. Do not see the point about that limitation.

[Cherry123]

Just finished re-reading The Shattering.

I wonder if Faerin will essentially be Aerin 2.0 for Anduin this expansion, as in it will be a comparison brought up by Anduin directly, given that the books are getting integrated into the game's story quite heavily lately.

A waste of Velen potential, Her voice is still young and soft, although I thought that she would have a smoky voice judging by her face. And in the alpha scenarios, she and Anduin constantly interact, judging by the scripts, which frustrates me even more.

[Makorus]

Story need meaningful loses like Broken Shore to progress and remain interesting.

Literally since BfA we had too many fake ones - like defeating Mekkatorque-- oh wait he escaped, maybe Jain-- nope, Azshara? Escaped. Literally all interesting stuff happening in 8.3 - N'zoth Illusion. Then SL/DF was either completely new lore (Shadowland realms, Primalists) and when once we dealt with someone we knew - Sylvanas... she didn't die either. We only got to N'zoth and even that is contested pretty often by community, cause happened in weird nightmare realm, not him on Azeroth attacking places we know.

And it was same other way. What important good guy died since 7.0? And it was literally 8 years ago.



They said that? That would be step back for me. Jesus, every time I hope they are going full in with account wide stuff..

To clarify, because I left some context out: individual raid achievements will still contribute to the warband-meta achievement. It's just that they will show up as uncompleted on alts.

I honestly don't see the issue? Their reasoning is solid even if the example wasn't the greatest: If someone wants to re-do an achievement for whatever reason, they should be able to. There's no negative issue for any alts.

Whole post here: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...rbands-preview

I know people will be upset because it seems like anything but 100% shared is not good enough, but I can agree with the majority of their reasoning.

[Hitei]

dagran looks like a soyboy, and you can bet that at least one of the devs looks like that

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

[Cherry123]

dagran looks like a soyboy, and you can bet that at least one of the devs looks like that

You say that as if he is something new. We literally don't have a single male character like Garrosh or Varian anymore. And static characters like Turalyon are thrown out of the story because he doesn't fit the agenda. Enjoy the whining Anduin and nerdy dwarf

[Dracullus]

Yeah but I think that that's how it works today for those achievements. The hope was that all of them will be ''blue''. Minor complaint about a wonderful system I guess, but it just does not make much sense to me. Same with the restrictions about not being able to collect other classes tier sets. Do not see the point about that limitation.

Yep. I simply don't want see ANY difference - not only meaningful - when I switch from main to alt. It's like reputations from DF and reputations in TWW - in DF beside few recipes it didn't matter on which character you got renown, but in TWW it TRULY won't matter.

So if they keep 'mark' on some achiev on which character it was done, my completionist nature will still want to do it on main. Cause I don't think anyone cares about achievement points, people do achievs for completion or specific rewards, otherwise they ignore them.

And they are sticking to character based professions. Of course no one promised us account-wide system there for 11.0, but still I don't have freedom there on my chars with established professions, cause any change would erase my progress in old expansions.

I honestly don't see the issue? Their reasoning is solid even if the example wasn't the greatest: If someone wants to re-do an achievement for whatever reason, they should be able to. There's no negative issue for any alts.

If someone wants to repeat ANYTHING in game - boss, quest, achievement - there should be way to do it, not only with alts. Everything should be for account, but everything should be possible to repeat infinitely. As I wrote somewhere before, I would make account wide even stuff like quests and story campaigns.

Of course don't get me wrong, it's not important issue. It's just dissapointing someone always stoping them from going full in.

[Nathanyel]

They just had to make him look like that.
Probably based on one of the developers. They're so narcissistic.

What? They just made him a bit dorky-looking so he looks like a Dwarven teenager. Works better Durak just being a smaller adult Orc.

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

Exactly, he's way too nerdy to be a self-insert even for a nerdy developer, just as Nathanos was written as too much of an asshole to be a realistic self-insert for Danuser.

[Sondrelk]

What? They just made him a bit dorky-looking so he looks like a Dwarven teenager. Works better Durak just being a smaller adult Orc.

The new Dagran model just oozes personality. You can tell at just a glance what kind of person he is, which is more than what most character models in WoW gets.

[Nymrohd]

Radiant song got me thinking of the first ones. ^^'

Honestly it definitely feels similar to when Saezurah was communicating with us.

[Reive]

This isn't even accurate within the confines of dumb buzzwording. If anything he's 80s style classically nerdy.

epic paint skills aside, you got the point lol

[Echil46]

Hero talents are nothing more than an extension of the talent system

Yes. and No. They're talents, yeah. But the fact that they are shared between two specs, and that they supposedly dwelve deep into ONE aspect of the class, leaves them wide open to be complete failure for some people.
If you're a fury warrior and like the raw aspect of spaming your keys to hit faster, the mountain thane which remixes your spells and adds thunderclap (hence less "hit" and more "magic"), might not be your thing. And the "let's go back to whirlwind" might not suit you either. In which case you'll either go Arms (but if your kink is hitting faster and you don't like Slayer, chances are you won't like Colossus. What's left ? changing classes.

So yeah they're an extension of the talent system, but they're also a narrowing of the class gameplay / fantasy.

[Nymrohd]

The new Dagran model just oozes personality. You can tell at just a glance what kind of person he is, which is more than what most character models in WoW gets.

I do want to see him together with Arator given they were described as good friends. But I think his more natural interaction will be with his uncle Brann.

[allegrian]

Do we have music in the alpha? didn't see any post about it.

[Makorus]

Yep. I simply don't want see ANY difference - not only meaningful - when I switch from main to alt. It's like reputations from DF and reputations in TWW - in DF beside few recipes it didn't matter on which character you got renown, but in TWW it TRULY won't matter.

So if they keep 'mark' on some achiev on which character it was done, my completionist nature will still want to do it on main. Cause I don't think anyone cares about achievement points, people do achievs for completion or specific rewards, otherwise they ignore them.

And they are sticking to character based professions. Of course no one promised us account-wide system there for 11.0, but still I don't have freedom there on my chars with established professions, cause any change would erase my progress in old expansions.

It'll literally work exactly like in Retail right now. I got that achievement on my Evoker and I am looking at it on my Mage.

Honestly, if this is a problem for you, then I think you need to figure out why exactly its such a problem lmao.