The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

Well if Dalaran is canonically destroyed, RPing on Northrend or Broken Isles can be a bit weird. "We know this thing doesn't exists anymore, but lets hang out in Legerdemain Lounge anyways."

Any stranger than going to Teldrassil to roleplay?

[Civciv]

The same people who are whining about Dalaran being destroyed are whining about the whole "Dark Ranger survival" thing. So good. I'm glad Dalaran gets destroyed. How many iterations of it do you need to rp in, exactly?

There's a certain guy on twitter who's crying about dalaran getting destroyed because his alt char won't be able to RP there anymore, lol.

[Hitei]

Well if Dalaran is canonically destroyed, RPing on Northrend or Broken Isles can be a bit weird. "We know this thing doesn't exists anymore, but lets hang out in Legerdemain Lounge anyways."

Such developments are honestly good for RP imo. There's plenty of cities to physically RP in, but the world is an ongoing story and people's characters and stories should be reacting to world-level events that are beyond their control, rather than locations being kept from changing simply because they are nice to be in.

It's another facet to work into a character, that they've lost their home or their favorite hangout, or family or friends.

[Raetary]

Dalaran is a state of mind.
Not the first time the city got destroyed, they'll just rebuild it.

It's a nice opportunity to return to Hillsbrad.

[Nymrohd]

Order of the Night seems kinda villainous.

Sure but they are not the only villain in the zone story. I assume we will have a story were some of the Arathi out of desperation because of the war with the Nerubians turned to questionable Light-based practices (raising Light undead). So the idea is we have a Light based villain as well

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There's a certain guy on twitter who's crying about dalaran getting destroyed because his alt char won't be able to RP there anymore, lol.

Why, is someone going to take his Dalaran HS away?

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Well if Dalaran is canonically destroyed, RPing on Northrend or Broken Isles can be a bit weird. "We know this thing doesn't exists anymore, but lets hang out in Legerdemain Lounge anyways."

RPing in Warcraft requires a ton of suspension of disbelief anyway.

[Hitei]

Dalaran is a state of mind.
Not the first time the city got destroyed, they'll just rebuild it.

It's a nice opportunity to return to Hillsbrad.

Dalaran isn't a place, it's a people.

Like Antoni--
like Kras-
...like Rhon-?
l-like Khad--!?

[Holdodlig]

Dalaran is a state of mind.
Not the first time the city got destroyed, they'll just rebuild it.

It's a nice opportunity to return to Hillsbrad.

And I think as a chock value, the destruction of Dalaran is a pretty good thing. During Legion, the city was allowed to fly almost above the Broken Shore, where a gunship almost got destroyed by a single Gul'dan spell. While it provided the player with a great scenery of the main threat of the expansion (the Tomb, until it was changed to be Argus), it wasn't really logical to see the city fly like that in the sky.

Now, there's a sweet irony behind Xal destroying Dalaran because the priest player made her see all the plans the good guys had to save the world in case of a situation like that. Also, she probably got a lot of informations from Magni and Khadgar. It was a pretty logical choice for her to destroy the city and there's a lot of symbolic behind that.

The only thing that's bothering me, but again it's here for a gameplay design is the same stuff we had to deal with in WoD, which is the nerubian launching an assault on the city when they haven't cleared the place they're in. Here, Xal's decision to attack Dalaran will probably be pressed by the fact she hadn't planned to be spotted so quickly where in WoD, it didn't made sense for the Iron Horde to launch a global invasion of Azeroth when they still hadn't conquered Draenor.

The only thing I hope is for Xal to use the same spell Archimonde used back in Warcraft 3 to destroy the city. As for Khadgar, I hope he won't die stupidly - if he dies. Even if he was sometime annoying with his jokes, the guy has been a key character for 2 expansions, and an important one for 2 others.

[Hitei]

This is new, right? Almost looks like an Azerite ore.

[Makorus]

I really hope the Ringing Deeps have some interesting plot points because right now, it's such a nothing zone that really doesn't have anything interesting going for it.

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This is new, right?

Must be the new ore node.

[Makabreska]

This is new, right? Almost looks like an Azerite ore.

We are going deep into Azeroth, so it makes sense to see Azerite there.

Y'all got your favourite pendant ready???

[Cheezits]

Crying hard about Dalaran being removed is ironic because its the one city where a majority of the people there having access to time travel would actually be feasible. I agree that it's also a necessary interesting thing for the world to advance, and it's smart as it is a neutral area, so everyone gets to lose it.

Also yeah, the Meadery dungeon is ENTIRELY Venture Co. themed, so they may be the main boss of Undermine.

[Hitei]

I really hope the Ringing Deeps have some interesting plot points because right now, it's such a nothing zone that really doesn't have anything interesting going for it.

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Must be the new ore node.

Looks like it might be the "crystallized" version of [Bismuth]?



There's a Aqirite, Bismuth and Ironclaw Ore, in order above. Looks like each comes with secondary versions from "Crystallized" nodes (in contact with World Soul) and "Weeping" nodes (corrupted by Old God blood).

Besides those two there's also new node types: "EZ-Mine" (rigged with explosives), "Cyphered" (enchanted by runes), and "Camouflaged".

Fun times for miners.

Herbalism also has the World Soul and Old god blood nodes, "Crystallized" and "Altered", and has the camo nodes too. But instead of explosive rigged and runes, they get "Irradiated" nodes (unstable arcane infusion) and a "Sporefused" (that literally directly mentions Zaralek caverns but apparently causes hallucinations and has no mining interaction.)

[Makabreska]

These models look great. Kobold stonks rising!

[Cheezits]

I really hope the Ringing Deeps have some interesting plot points because right now, it's such a nothing zone that really doesn't have anything interesting going for it.

It looks like the main draw is the Kobold area.

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There's a secret letter on the Venture Co boss's desk that you can only read if you are a Goblin or have 25 inscription. What's funny is that you can see Nobbel desperately trying to read it.

[Raetary]

Isn't the Ringing Deeps where the Earthen factory is too?

They gotta get mass produced somewhere.

[Makabreska]

Isn't the Ringing Deeps where the Earthen factory is too?

They gotta get mass produced somewhere.

Yes it is. That Earthen mechanist faction lives there. I will assume that those evil void dwarves will also be messing around there, kobolds are a little too "meh" of a threat to be a main star of the zone.

[Enrif]

If it meant druid then it wouldn't need to later specify "another" and qualify that the other is capable of manipulating nature.

then i ask you, why it states "healers appears to use arcane and nature magic" stating that nature magic is already used, and later again stating "one who can seemingly manipulate the energies of nature". This is strange. For the first it is, yeah, uses nature magic, and later again calling it specifically out as if it would be strange. This seems odd. I would think the writter of tis part didn't thought it through.

Then again, the shadowlands grimoire is written out of the view of the brokers. So things are not neccessary true or correct either.

[huth]

Now here it get's ambiguous. It says healers. Not Priestesses, Priesthood, clergy, or the like. Healers can mean simply a druid, which do use arcane and nature magic.

Druids use exclusively Nature magic. Their speals deal arcane damage, but they aren't Arcane magic.

And healing is exclusively nature either way, so it can't be a Druid.

[Hitei]

then i ask you, why it states "healers appears to use arcane and nature magic" stating that nature magic is already used, and later again stating "one who can seemingly manipulate the energies of nature". This is strange. For the first it is, yeah, uses nature magic, and later again calling it specifically out as if it would be strange. This seems odd. I would think the writter of tis part didn't thought it through.

Then again, the shadowlands grimoire is written out of the view of the brokers. So things are not neccessary true or correct either.

Precisely because they are two different groups/people. Allow me to replace/insert some nouns to try and better illustrate the redundancy.

Their [druids] appear to combine arcane and nature magic to mend the dead body for a final viewing.

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The remains are then placed upon a patch of grass, and another--a "druid": one who can seemingly manipulate the energies of nature--takes part in the rite to spur on the growth of plants around the corpse."

Their [priests] appear to combine arcane and nature magic to mend the dead body for a final viewing.

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The remains are then placed upon a patch of grass, and another--a "druid": one who can seemingly manipulate the energies of nature--takes part in the rite to spur on the growth of plants around the corpse."

Do you see how the first one is redundant? If the druids are the healers, then there's no need to call those same druids "another" and specify that they can freely manipulate nature, or that they are taking part in the rite, because they were already taking part in the rite in the earlier section and are already nature manipulators.

But the second one makes sense, because the priests use arcane and nature magic to prepare the body, then another (the druids), who can more specifically manipulate the energies of nature take part in the rite by burying it with plants. The priestesses prepare the body in the temple, then afterwards go to a grove where a druid buries the body.

[Enrif]

Druids use exclusively Nature magic. Their speals deal arcane damage, but they aren't Arcane magic.

And healing is exclusively nature either way, so it can't be a Druid.

can't be a priest either with that argumentation.

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Precisely because they are two different groups/people. Allow me to replace/insert some nouns to try and better illustrate the redundancy.






Do you see how the first one is redundant? If the druids are the healers, then there's no need to call those same druids "another" and specify that they can freely manipulate nature, or that they are taking part in the rite, because they were already taking part in the rite in the earlier section and already nature manipulators.

But the second one makes sense, because the priests use arcane and nature magic to prepare the body, then another (the druids), who can manipulate the energies of nature take part in the rite by burying it. The priestesses prepare the body in the temple, then afterwards go to a grove where a druid buries the body.

i think that depends on the interpretation. Druid can be used for both. the first uses "restoration" to mend the body, while the second uses "plants" to spurt the plant growth. From the view of the broker these could seem to be different things. One heals wounds, one spurts growth.

And even then, why would a broker call it "nature magic" in the first part? If it is nature magic, shouldn't it be obvious that it can manipulate plants? Why not call it "life" magic? This sentence is a ambiguous mess.