The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I am hoping for them to lean in on vrykul and trolls to diversify things. Dragons will be more than three years behind so I won't mind them at all. But yeah, I just don't get the Nerubian thing. The Qiraji are probably the least explored aqir culture, they look very cool and have amazing diversity in form (and their silithid servants also have great diversity) and they'd feel more natural given how close they'd be. I am sure the Nerubians in TWW will be interesting but that will take the hype away from Azjol'nerub and I've wanted to see that place for so long for it to effectively become a copy of its own copy.

I really want to believe the reason is the Humanoid Nerubian. They have a lot of work done on them so far, and they wouldn't have the dev time to do them and prep them for playability if they didn't add them into TWW before, say, TLT.

I would have loved Qiraji but they simply aren't as popular as Nerubians, so I think they just had to choose one playable Aqir race to focus on.

[justwatching]

In general, reception of Holly as executive producer has been very positive. She even admitted that they overdid with Plunderstorm "wait and see" secrecy.

Yeah and her comments around Cata Classic also come to mind. It's refreshing.

[Cheezits]

Maybe one of the bigger mechs? Within recent trends I'm guessing it'll be unique to KSM.

I think it'll be one model (hopefully flying this time) that they can radically change the theme of each season like the Armoredon. I don't see a mount like that yet, but I think it would be telling if there's only ONE mount.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Jesus christ, am i the only one seeing this? He's an obvious tribute to a progressive developer.

Ya it’s just you as your ignoring the lore of his parants and what that would produce just hate on some “progressive dev” that you just made up in your mind and doesn’t actually exist.

[Ersula]

No, because he looks like a self-inert, like many of the Dracthy visage forms. Nothing about him says dwarf other than the color of his skin and big nose.

Even "scholarly" classes like the Mage and Warlock mostly originate from the Dark Irons, who are focused on fiery magic. Does this kid looks like he's going to incinerate anyone?

Dark Irons have a lot of shadow priests, also his parents are both priests; so he looks like the dwarf version of young Anduin, another priest. Adding characterization to a functionally new alliance character to act as a parallel to Anduin's dark angsty present self seems like a no-brainer for this current storyline; not someone making a self-insert.

(Although on a side note, Anduin's angst arc is so unprecedented. Maybe if he actually did dark stuff while he was dominated I'd be narratively earned, but he didn't. He didn't even kill anybody while dominated.)

[Nymrohd]

I really want to believe the reason is the Humanoid Nerubian. They have a lot of work done on them so far, and they wouldn't have the dev time to do them and prep them for playability if they didn't add them into TWW before, say, TLT.

I would have loved Qiraji but they simply aren't as popular as Nerubians, so I think they just had to choose one playable Aqir race to focus on.

Bee girls are more popular than spider girls. There, I said it. Battleguards would get the weird nerds so much better than discount Lolth.

[Cheezits]

Bee girls are more popular than spider girls. There, I said it. Battleguards would get the weird nerds so much better than discount Lolth.

I think they may want to avoid the arabian culture stuff with Qiraji. And Nerubians are propped up by WC3 and Wrath boomers so they win, sadly.

I was thinking a Qiraji patch may happen when we still looked to be going under the Sword, but it is looking incredibly unlikely now with the pivot to Elun'ahir wackiness (and 11.1 being, supposedly, Undermine) that will have to be addressed in a patch, likely the last one.

[Makorus]

Are the War Within Alpha videos voiced by Roger Craigh Smith (Sonic) or am I going crazy

[Nymrohd]

(Although on a side note, Anduin's angst arc is so unprecedented. Maybe if he actually did dark stuff while he was dominated I'd be narratively earned, but he didn't. He didn't even kill anybody while dominated.)

Yeah I still think that if they wanted to go that hard on Anduin's arc, they should have made him do something darker. Like, kill Bolvar.

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I think they may want to avoid the arabian culture stuff with Qiraji. And Nerubians are propped up by WC3 and Wrath boomers so they win, sadly.

I was thinking a Qiraji patch may happen when we still looked to be going under the Sword, but it is looking incredibly unlikely now with the pivot to Elun'ahir wackiness (and 11.1 being, supposedly, Undermine).

Seems so silly to me that they just seeded Elun'ahir as a concept and they might be using it immediately. Keep some things for later. Plot hooks are not meant to be used so fast. That said, I've seen the TWW world map and there is a very obvious large zone between Hallowfall and the spider place.

[Dracullus]

In general, reception of Holly as executive producer has been very positive. She even admitted that they overdid with Plunderstorm "wait and see" secrecy.

I think it was pretty neutral until Blizzard "leaked" sub numbers and narrative that no one play wow anymore is dead outside diehard doomsayers.

Obviously they teased Plunderstorm too much, but I think revealing it without PTR would be even worse. By the time it come it would be mocked by everyone as WoW's Fortnite. So correct choice is to simply release PTR for every gameplay feature, especially experimental ones.

[Cheezits]

Seems so silly to me that they just seeded Elun'ahir as a concept and they might be using it immediately. Keep some things for later. Plot hooks are not meant to be used so fast. That said, I've seen the TWW world map and there is a very obvious large zone between Hallowfall and the spider place.

Yeah... and the Harronir and the roots are AK (spider place).

So it's probably 11.1 Undermine and 11.2 Elun'ahir. But I do wonder if it's something less obvious because Elun'ahir zone sounds a LOT like Emerald Dream.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah... and the Harronir and the roots are AK (spider place).

So it's probably 11.1 Undermine and 11.2 Elun'ahir. But I do wonder if it's something less obvious because Elun'ahir zone sounds a LOT like Emerald Dream.

Eh, one of the zones will obviously be the core of the planet. And I am not sure Undermine will be a zone. I think the datamining was about assets named goblinraid right? so it could be just an instanced area.

[Treegdar]

Is there like a site where we can see the whole map? Like we could on Marlamins site?
Pretty curious to look at those

Haven't found a site that lets us pan and zoom the map ourself but Nobbel's first alpha vid has the map including zooming in to each zone's map.

Link: https://youtu.be/LloUhgrpxlY?t=316

[Cheezits]

Eh, one of the zones will obviously be the core of the planet. And I am not sure Undermine will be a zone. I think the datamining was about assets named goblinraid right? so it could be just an instanced area.

And watch it be a hollow earth jungle that is reused for Sholozar, lol.

I think Undermine will be a full zone, A) because it deserves it and B) it has a raid item and regular zone item datamined.

Elun'ahir could be the megadungeon though, we still don't have an idea of what the Megadungeon will be.

[Ersula]

Yeah I still think that if they wanted to go that hard on Anduin's arc, they should have made him do something darker. Like, kill Bolvar

Even I keep thinking "Well he did kill that one random pixie that was masquerading as the winter queen.....no wait Sylvanas did that."

I'm sure they're going to create entirely new scenarios as a flashback in TWW showing him murdering puppies or something.

[Grimmy17]

They released a youtube short and the music is so good - is this new or a previously used piece?

https://youtube.com/shorts/KRvD01NTg...dccuOyKuk0AalX

[Cheezits]

They released a youtube short and the music is so good - is this new or a previously used piece?

https://youtube.com/shorts/KRvD01NTg...dccuOyKuk0AalX

Brand new music. I hope thats the city track because it's very good.

[Vakir]

Jesus christ, am i the only one seeing this? He's an obvious tribute to a progressive developer.

Hang it up. You're tilting at windmills. The amount of hoops to jump through for this is wild.

[Cheezits]

Maybe it's like...

11.0 - Earthen and Nerubar Palace raid
11.0.7- Dracthyr classes and cool filler stuff
11.1- Undermine zone and Siege of Undermine Raid (Venture Co and Gallywix)
11.1.5- Roots of Elun'ahir megadungeon and Harronir AR
11.2- ??????????? something closer to Azeroth
11.2.5- ????? AR

[Nymrohd]

Even I keep thinking "Well he did kill that one random pixie that was masquerading as the winter queen.....no wait Sylvanas did that."

I'm sure they're going to create entirely new scenarios as a flashback in TWW showing him murdering puppies or something.

Honestly, I'd welcome it.
Don't get me wrong, the domination giving him PTSD absolutely makes sense. He was still a slave inside his own mind which sounds terrifying (I'm still unclear if ALL Forsaken went through that or only the more intelligent types like the Banshees and DKs). But at the end of the day, he harmed an immortal creature that got better and then harmed some completely alien machines.

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Maybe it's like...

11.0 - Earthen and Nerubar Palace
11.0.7- Dracthyr classes and cool filler stuff
11.1- Undermine zone and Siege of Undermine Raid (Venture Co and Gallywix)
11.1.5- Roots of Elun'ahir megadungeon and Harronir AR
11.2- ??????????? something closer to Azeroth
11.2.5- ????? AR

We really have no idea where the story might be going with TWW. I really don't know how we are going to end up in Undermine when the story seems so . . . cosmic. Maybe we'll need a massive amount of Azerite and Gallywix has it?