The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

Chromatus is in an arcane prison at an unknown location
Vakithros is an unknown location
Malygos had many things linked and they were storing chromatus is a prison similar to those he made

Is it possible the cult will find the secret to releasing him in vakthros and the new aspects will have to face off against the last challenge the previous aspects had simply locked away and forgot about?

[Thazzrill]

The Time Rift premises are so interesting I'd love it if we have another expansion that entirely takes place in an AU. And it seems that you can focus on which legendary trinket you want because a specific one comes from each timeline.

Frostmourne
Azmorne: Scourge vs Wings of Al'ar - Silvermoon never falls & Azeroth unifies behind the High Elves against the Scourge. Vareesa is turned by Frostmorne instead of Sylvanas.

Val'anyr
Ulderoth: Sons of Hodir vs Agents of Loken - Curse of Flesh never happened & some titan-constructs form a rebellion

Sulfuras
Azq'roth: Old Gods vs Elemental Lords - The Black Empire never ended

Azzinoth
Azewrath: Highborne vs Burning Legion - Azshara resisted the promises of the Legion & Suramar becomes the last bastion against Demonkind

Seschenal, Everliving Staff of Eonar
A.Z.E.R.O.T.H: Robots vs The Races of Azeroth - Mechagon declares war on the planet, replacing the sapient races with robots

Thunderfin, Humid Blade of the Tideseeker
Azmerloth: Murloc Alliance vs Murloc Horde - Essentially the same but Murlocs are the dominant species

Shalamayne/Doomhammer
The Warlands: Grand Alliance vs Blood Horde - The first war never ended

Is there any source on how these time rifts are going to play out or just speculation?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The Val'anyr one is interesting but only cause Curse of flesh didn't happen(which I hate the idea anyways). The time rifts concept is pretty crazy though, they really went ham with the time travel in a very cool way.

[Berkilak]

I really liked the blue dragonflight questline, from the beginning to the end, i wish there was more interesting questlines like this, where you go to different places that feel like mini campaign, that are also voiced.

I thought i will have to put this patch to the coffin, because i don't enjoy 10.1 like i thought i would, but this questline was very entertaining.


I've seen some people mention before latest update that this kalimdor dragonriding kills hope for the revamp, but now it seems like it will be only a holiday activity for now, so i guess all hope is not lost and we might actually see full dragonriding in Kalimdor and EK when they do revamp it or at least parts of it.

Some real deep cuts in there. They’re respecting their own history. This is to be commended.

[Ersula]

Is there any source on how these time rifts are going to play out or just speculation?

Its the datamined descriptions with context from new datamined mobs. The Azzinoth one takes you to *modern* Suramar, and we see ancient elves fighting demons & an uncorrupted Illidan. The Azqroth & Azmerloth ones are just instances we saw during the Bronze leveling questchain. Warlands only features races referenced in Warcraft 1. etc. It looks like all the time rifts take you to what is relatively the present day, just in an AU

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Dunno, from the looks of it they seem fine adding it to even crustier TBC models. Don't see why they'd leave out the comparatively more modern Cata ones.

I kind of wish they'd give dragonriding to every mount, even if the animations would look extremely weird.

[Berkilak]

Might as well damn them for having yellow exclamation points above their heads, too, if we’re just damning WoW for being what it integrally is.

[Super Dickmann]

It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.

Besides the one we kill in Wrath and struggle cuddle adept Keristrasza, who're the other two?

[Foolicious]

Besides the one we kill in Wrath and struggle cuddle adept Keristrasza, who're the other two?

Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.

[Raetary]

Idk, Senegos' passing did pull on my hearstrings.
And i'm gonna miss Sindragosa quite a bit.

[Sondrelk]

This Blue dragon questchain is way overhyped on Twitter.

Sure, it's fun to see some overdue lore, the characters we meet are pretty quirky and charming, the voice acting is good, and I like hanging out in the "real" Azeroth.

But it's also super repetitive, going after all those Blue dragons. Because most of them follow the trite old Blizzard formula of "chat to an NPC, receive two unrelated kill/fetch quests before moving on", they feel so similar to each other. Each part is pretty shallow as well. You basically meet somebody with a gargantuan problem on their hands, and within five minutes they go "OK, let's flap away to the Dragon Isles together because family and stuff".

There are people on Twitter saying they literally cried, not just once but several times as they watched the finale. A finale featuring dragons they've barely met in the game, except as raid bosses 10 years ago.

It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.

Isnt the implication with Malygos that he had Sindragosa as his sole consort, until later after her death when he simultaneously got a bit mad?

Doesnt seem all that shocking that he might have had new relationships after the one with Sindragosa. Not to mention that we don't really know what consort means in the grand scheme. Could be wife, could be lover.

[Ersula]

It's also suuuper awkward to see modern day quest writers casually gloss over the fact that Malygos kept four female dragons as his baby-making machines, given how they're usually so eager to remove anything which is remotely offensive from the game these days.

Alexstrasza & Sabellian both have a harem. That's normal for dragons. But what is bothering people is the quest treats Malygos' "madness" as something completely outside of his character, like Sindragosa turning undead. Without further exposition they don't explain why is Malygos's villain arc something that doesn't reflect on his character, but for Neltharian, it absolutely does: Both in 10.1's questchains and the characterization of his Simulacrum in the raid.

[huth]

Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.

And Keri was well after he went off the deep end.

Other than that, Polyamory is simply normal among dragons.

[Super Dickmann]

Theres one in Winterspring since classic that never had any relevance in the story and sindragosa. Nothing indicates that they have been used as breeding machines though. Its only Keristrasza that is abused by Malygos.

Cheers. Only Keristrasza was a slave and Malygos was off his rocker at the time. Past that, dragons having multiple wives/lovers has been a given. Alex had Krasus as her prime consort, but had others too. Neltharion had plenty before his cock melted and it became unfeasible.

[Thazzrill]

Its the datamined descriptions with context from new datamined mobs. The Azzinoth one takes you to *modern* Suramar, and we see ancient elves fighting demons & an uncorrupted Illidan. The Azqroth & Azmerloth ones are just instances we saw during the Bronze leveling questchain. Warlands only features races referenced in Warcraft 1. etc. It looks like all the time rifts take you to what is relatively the present day, just in an AU

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I kind of wish they'd give dragonriding to every mount, even if the animations would look extremely weird.

Thanks for the info. I haven't managed to find anything for Arthas and Silvermoon in particular. I've only seen the datamined Vereesa the Banshee Queen model and Uther the Deathbringer, but from what I've seen the datamined map for Azmourne seems to be the Icecrown Citadel. My thoughts are that this would be a universe where Arthas won, there is even the tabard that is called Victorious scourge. Although there is a human model of Prince Arthas which is kind of contradicting.

In regards to Suramar I've found that map, but haven't found anything for Azshara. I've seen the metamorphosis model of Illidan. Wouldn't the last stand of Azshara if she decline be in Zin-Azshari instead of Suramar?

[Lahis]

They added the Dragonriding animation set to near enough every old dragon mount, including stuff like the old Drake models.

And the topic of discussion was skins for the existing Dragonridign mounts.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Not among Dragons. Among Aspects. And it's not just about love and affection, or even banging. It's about breeding. Laying eggs. It's weird.

But what you just said is also kind of exactly why this is so weird. "[...] is simply normal among [...]" is a rational way of approaching fantasy. It's the only way you make sense of something like Game of Thrones, which is full of misogyny, slavery, etc. It's common for the people you're observing, and because of this, it's acceptable to see it happen. It's OK to write stories about it. But for the Blizzard team, almost nothing has been acceptable as of late. They're replacing women with fruits in paintings, for heaven's sake. So why is this particular thing accepted?

It is particularly odd; you'd expect they'd try to brush over that entirely, even if it makes a good deal of sense in-universe. Even discounting the rather iffy happenings at the office, this doesn't line up much with their overall tonal tendencies to the point it's outright incongruous.

[Super Dickmann]

It is particularly odd; you'd expect they'd try to brush over that entirely, even if it makes a good deal of sense in-universe. Even discounting the rather iffy happenings at the office, this doesn't line up much with their overall tonal tendencies to the point it's outright incongruous.

Honestly, given that the writers are likely California libertines, you'd think the opposite, that they'd emphasize how it's totally a good thing and that the fact that Maly has a good relationship with Sindragosa doesn't mean he doesn't also have one with Haleh. I haven't gone through the questline yet myself, mind, so I'll hold off judgment on its quality.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Honestly, given that the writers are likely California libertines, you'd think the opposite, that they'd emphasize how it's totally a good thing and that the fact that Maly has a good relationship with Sindragosa doesn't mean he doesn't also have one with Haleh. I haven't gone through the questline yet myself, mind, so I'll hold off judgment on its quality.

That's a fair possibility. From what I've seen of it, the entire arc is actually fairly nice save for the typical twee flavor of Dragonflight and how it skims over some of the nastier behavior of Malygos; to be wholly fair, he was in a state of diminished responsibility where it may not be possible to actually pass effective moral judgment, so I can see the justification behind it. I've not played it directly, but my understanding of it from secondhand testimony is that it is actually handled fairly well and ties together a good number of dangling threads from the Blue Dragonflight's history.

[Nightmare Queen]

Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Do you think we'll see Bwonsamdi again in future expacs, or has he been forgotten about by Blizzard?

Forgotten, no doubt. If we do see him again, he will undoubtedly be subjecting himself to the yummy taste of the Winter Queen's feet in an unwanted Shadowlands call-back.