The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mahcake]

Dynamic Flight is due to Dragonflight that people bought and subbed under (In shadowlands and the expansion itself). So yeah, it's not really a feature besides a permanent one because of the expansion. Warbands are a new feature, and while you may not 'consider it' a feature, that's a huge QoL change for some players and it's being introduced within the next expansion itself. It's a big deal if you play alts, it's not really a feature if you just main one and at best, two characters.

Hero talents leave much to be desired but at least it's a start, and if they develop it further as the expansions go we can at least attribute it as a collection of changes over time with certain expansions.

And yeah, Delves are really going to have to carry something fierce if they're a main attraction of the expansion. Don't count your chickens before they hatch yet. We may see more story-related and focused zones and dungeons that make any recent expansion look like shit in comparison. It's a big if though, and we'll soon see if that's the case. I hope so - I want some meaty lore that we can actually enjoy again.

I have a feeling though, (un)fortunately that we may see a moderate to major feature in the middle of the expansion like we did with Evoker. Now that the cat is out of the bag and they can add bigger things mid-expansion, I'm wondering if that's going to continue being a trend to allure players back into the game. Or keep people playing at least.

Then why advertise Dynamic Flight as one of the new features? It's just misleading and scammy.

QoL features were always added with patches.They were never announced as the new "next big thing" because it's not content. Account-wide bank, reps, anything is not new content. I said the same with UI redesign in DF when it was announced. It's pathetic that it was advertised as one of the main new features of expac. it just shows that Blizzard doesn't really have anything new and they needed something to justify the price. Which still didn't really happen.

And as you said, Warbonds aren't for everyone. It's just for people with alts, which I admit, there are a lot of those players but I'm not one of them and making a main feature of an expac, which not everyone will use, is again very stupid and not new content.

Nobody will take you seriously if you so obviously show off that you have no idea what you're talking about. Probably also not if you post that same comment a third time.

Although there are people who would actually be happier if that was what Hero Talents were.

Yes, there are some good trees with new abilities but a lot of the Hero Talents are just "color skins" and some of them not even that. I play as a monk and f.e. Shado-Pan talents are just 90% passives, which aren't gonna even change animations or how skills look.

[Makorus]

Then why advertise Dynamic Flight as one of the new features? It's just misleading and scammy.

QoL features were always added with patches.They were never announced as the new "next big thing" because it's not content.

What were you saying?

Just wanted to highlight this one as well because it was actually used in Wrath advertising as if there was a question whether there would be new items

[Treegdar]

QoL features were always added with patches.They were never announced as the new "next big thing" because it's not content. Account-wide bank, reps, anything is not new content. I said the same with UI redesign in DF when it was announced. It's pathetic that it was advertised as one of the main new features of expac. it just shows that Blizzard doesn't really have anything new and they needed something to justify the price. Which still didn't really happen.



Yes, there are some good trees with new abilities but a lot of the Hero Talents are just "color skins" and some of them not even that. I play as a monk and f.e. Shado-Pan talents are just 90% passives, which aren't gonna even change animations or how skills look.

I've literally never understood the whining from people who want shit loads of weird new kinds of systems or content from wow every xpac. You do realize that of the various kinds of content introduced to wow over the last 20 years the only ones that have stayed are heroic dungeons, daily quests, world quests, and M+. All the other shit was abandoned at the end of the xpac or even before the xpac was over because it was recieved poorly.

Cata: archeology (guess it continued for a while but has since been abandoned)
MoP: scenarios
WoD: garrisons
BFA: Islands & warfronts. Warfronts were basically abandonded before the xpac even finished
SL: Torghast

The only stuff that has actually had any staying power within the game is basically just existing content, but making it replayable and adding rewards for replaying it. And then in Legion they shook both of those up again. The base systems of wow are actually fucking incredible. The initial leveling and zone exploring is fun AF. Dungeons are awesome. Raiding is awesome. Please dear god stop asking them for the next version of Warfronts that everyone hates every single expansion and maybe we'll actually get a 5th zone or more dungeons in patch content. Morons who think expansions should fundamentally change the core of the game should just play something else. Its been 20 years, we've got a pretty good idea of what works and doesnt work in wow at this point.

[Enrif]

Just wanted to highlight this one as well because it was actually used in Wrath advertising as if there was a question whether there would be new items

https://i.imgur.com/UVUW3ub.png

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

[Treegdar]

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

Because people love new zones, dungeons, and raids. They are what make wow the game it is at the fundamental level. Obviously Blizz is gonna show off the new stuff that actually makes the game.

[Makorus]

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

I think the reason they advertise new zones/raids/dungeons is so they can throw them footage up in the background organically

[Ersula]

this brings up a interesting point: Why even advertise: new zones, dungeons, raids. These things are a given. Like, they will never release an expansion that would have 0 new zone, dungeons or raids. Sure, they can showcase, but putting them up as a selling point after so many expansions is really pointless.

Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

To sum up this entire topic: Hero Talents & Delves are the big features of TWW but judging by them not showing us anything regarding delves implies it's going to be like Torghast; a thing that they're going to struggle with & ultimately be a detriment to the entire expansion experience.

[Makorus]

Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

To sum up this entire topic: Hero Talents & Delves are the big features of TWW but judging by them not showing us anything regarding delves implies it's going to be like Torghast; a thing that they're going to struggle with & ultimately be a detriment to the entire expansion experience.

They haven't shown us anything about anything wtf are people here smoking

[Ersula]

They haven't shown us anything about anything wtf are people here smoking

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

[Treegdar]

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

I'll be shocked if Delves end up being good, but not because they haven't shown us much about them before Alpha even starts. I think you're reading way too much into it.

[Worldshaper]

Warbands is the #1 feature of TWW. I can't wait, and this is massive for the game. Perhaps one of the most significant features ever implemented.

[Makorus]

They typically show off features at blizzcon. As in, gameplay footage. When revealing Shadowlands they showed off the new customization options, the torghast interface with anima powers & Covenant abilities in fact there was a playable build of them in Bastion.

Blizzcon 2023 didn't do any of those things. All we saw was a video of some of the zones. They have sinse given us a lot regarding Hero Talents...but Delves, despite supposedly being a big deal, all they showed us was a 20 year old stock art of Brann Bronzebreard.

That does not bode well. Big Dance Studio energy. Big Path of the Titans energy.

What the fuck logic is this? If they had shown off anything at Blizzcon, they would have shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay. And if they had shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay, Delves would have been good? What?

First of all, we didn't get a demo for the Legion reveal. I was at gamescom, they had at least ~100 demo PCs there, but the only thing you could test on them was 6.2. We got Mardum and DHs during Blizzcon which was months after.

We got Bastion gameplay for SL, we got Nazmir and Atal'dazar for BfA.

That was it. That's all the demos they ever had for reveals. Now, we didn't see a single piece of gameplay for Torghast at reveal, so I dont know what you are trying to say here. We also didn't see a single piece of gameplay for Legion Artifacts, M+, World Quests, updated professions or anything. All of that was non-existant until Alpha.

[Ersula]

Warbands is the #1 feature of TWW. I can't wait, and this is massive for the game. Perhaps one of the most significant features ever implemented.

Which is sad because making quest progress & currencies account wide for all intents & purposes could be a minor feature in a minor patch. Honestly my biggest question is why is it limited to 4 characters? That's such an arbitrary number. I have 5 alts I want to play.

What the fuck logic is this? If they had shown off anything at Blizzcon, they would have shown off Isle of Dorn gameplay.

First of all, we didn't get a demo for the Legion reveal. I was at gamescom, they had at least ~100 demo PCs there, but the only thing you could test on them was 6.2. We got Mardum and DHs during Blizzcon which was months after.

1 month later. Not months. We're 4 months further in than that right now. They might not have had playable builds but they did show us all the artifacts at Blizzcon, as well as detailed Mythic+ (being an extension of MoP challenge mode) as well as screenshots of all those features. But for delves, Ion could barely explain what it's even supposed to be.

TWW is clearly the outlier here.

I just want to remind everyone that they called the Dragonflight Profession system "the new 4th pillar" of the game alongside Mythics, Raids & PvP....then they said that exact same thing about delves. As if we're goldfish with no memory. So it's fair to predict Delves are going to be as disappointing as the profession system was.

[Enrif]

Because people love new zones, dungeons, and raids. They are what make wow the game it is at the fundamental level. Obviously Blizz is gonna show off the new stuff that actually makes the game.

Showcase, sure, i don't mind. But promoting them as a new noteworthy feature is kind of moot.

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I think the reason they advertise new zones/raids/dungeons is so they can throw them footage up in the background organically

That's fine. But does that need to be promoted like a big thing?

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Are we just deconstructing marketing at this point? They include those for the sake of attracting new players; people who aren't familiar with the format.

I don't think you can impress any new player with "dwarf zone with fantasy name" or "cold forest zone on dragon island". Zones and their aesthetic are a given. At best if it is a huge story relevant reveal, like argus was in legion, but that will impact long time players, not new players.

[Darkarath]

Warbands is the #1 feature of TWW. I can't wait, and this is massive for the game. Perhaps one of the most significant features ever implemented.

I agree.

While I understand that some people might see it as something that should have been in the game 10 years ago and that it is in fact a QoL feature, that does not diminishes its value in any way.

Warbands are going to be loved by 99% of the playerbase. It will make the game so much better and it will allow us to play whatever character we want.

I have been meticulously killing all my alts for years because eventually I realised that I had so many things done with my main and so much shit to do still, that spending time in alts seems like a waste of time (my problem, I know, but I think that many players share this mental illness). With Warbands this problem will be (eventually) gone.

I will play even more WoW (if that's possible) thanks to this feature.

[Makorus]

Which is sad because making quest progress & currencies account wide for all intents & purposes could be a minor feature in a minor patch. Honestly my biggest question is why is it limited to 4 characters? That's such an arbitrary number. I have 5 alts I want to play.1 month later. Not months. We're 4 months further in than that right now. They might not have had playable builds but they did show us all the artifacts at Blizzcon, as well as detailed Mythic+ (being an extension of MoP challenge mode) as well as screenshots of all those features. But for delves, Ion could barely explain what it's even supposed to be.

TWW is clearly the outlier here.

I just want to remind everyone that they called the Dragonflight Profession system "the new 4th pillar" of the game alongside Mythics, Raids & PvP....then they said that exact same thing about delves. As if we're goldfish with no memory. So it's fair to predict Delves are going to be as disappointing as the profession system was.

In what world is Professions not the 4th next pillar?

The amount of people spamming trade chat day in day out just proves that, plus it's probably the easiest gearing path.

[Ersula]

In what world is Professions not the 4th next pillar?

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

[justwatching]

Blizzcon 2015 was 3 Months after Gamescom. So yes it was Months later.

Also Ion explained perfectly fine what Delves are.

[Lady Atia]

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

Lol they never said that? They said you will be able to craft the gear for other people without having to step into a Mythic raid, which is true?

[Makorus]

They said it, not me. They literally promised you'd be able to make mythic raiding gear by gathering alone in Dragonflight which turned out to be a lie. Because you can't make that gear from doing professions alone; you have to get the epic mats from other content. This is why I'm arguing you can't take their word for it.

What? That was always a thing, that you would need drops from Raids/M+/PvP to make appropriate gear. It is absolutely a pillar of gearing, just because you require other content doesn't invalidate that. In what world would it make sense to just be able to craft Mythic gear?

21.04.2022:

-To keep crafted gear relevant, the team wants there to be options equivalent to mythic raiding level, but players will never just be able to go to an auction house and buy sets of gear at max item level. It will involve BOP crafting items or recipes that are obtained from higher level content.

-Players will be able to use their own BOP crafting items to get gear crafted by other players by utilizing work orders.