The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lady Atia]

Why not. It's big enough, it's definitely impressive. It does have too strong a theme though given that the expac is unlikely to be about undeath in any major way.

Also I'm still salty that the Shadowlands intro was that underwhelming after they initially described it as "us battling our way into Icecrown again". Using ICC as a hub in TLT would kinda make up for that.

[Worldshaper]

Well, an Odyn lead titanforged army will almost certainly happen, as he'll just suck up to Aman'thul.

As for things going south, since Legion the Titans pretty much ignored an Old God resurgence that almost succeeded, they also ignored Handsome Squidward the Janitor sexually assaulting the World Soul, and they are not coming back until after Xal claws her way down the Coreway and the Void starts their biggest invasion since the Black Empire.

So i'd say, its safe to say the event that will happen and really only event that would convince them to abandon the SotP and return to Azeroth is if the World Soul becomes compromised and is on the brink of destruction.

How could they even return, though? They're planet-sized! Will they shrink themselves? Seems a bit anticlimactic.

I wonder if they return and a trap is sprung already at the approach to Azeroth, blasting them to pieces or something.

I still think Sargeras is the last Titan, so it would make sense.

[Raetary]

How could they even return, though? They're planet-sized! Will they shrink themselves? Seems a bit anticlimactic.

As of Legion, they already got shrunk.
Including Sargeras.

[Nymrohd]

How could they even return, though? They're planet-sized! Will they shrink themselves? Seems a bit anticlimactic.

I wonder if they return and a trap is sprung already at the approach to Azeroth, blasting them to pieces or something.

I still think Sargeras is the last Titan, so it would make sense.

Well maybe they'll use the Sunwell. Maybe one of the many facilities they left around was created expressly so it could open a gate for them and they just need to turn it on. Heck, maybe THAT is what the Felstorm was and Sargeras' demons corrupted it into Fel.

[Raetary]

Unlikely, but what if Icecrown Citadell will be the playerhub for TLL?

Please no, it's too dark and musty for a main hub.
And it clashes aesthetically with the main theme way too much.

I can see it as an alternate hub for endgame stuff, or as a patch hub, but not as the main city.

[Enrif]

Why not. It's big enough, it's definitely impressive. It does have too strong a theme though given that the expac is unlikely to be about undeath in any major way.

Depends on the themes we will see with TLL. Also, i wouldn't mind to see ICC being torn up a bit after the events of the Zovaal fight and the engines below ICC working. It could remove the outer shell of ICC, giving space for the inner parts to be used as a HUB.

[Sondrelk]

Why not. It's big enough, it's definitely impressive. It does have too strong a theme though given that the expac is unlikely to be about undeath in any major way.

There is always the curveball hub that noone is talking about. The Argent Crusade citadel you help found in Icecrown. Without Dalaran causing issues in Crystalsong you could easily make a pretty cool city there using whatever new assets you want. Possibly even some recoloured ones from Hallowfall to allude to the crusader theme.

[Worldshaper]

As of Legion, they already got shrunk.
Including Sargeras.

True, and it felt weird. Even so, they were inside a specific raid room. Seeing them small on Azeroth would feel strange imo.

[Enrif]

Please no, it's too dark and musty for a main hub.
And it clashes aesthetically with the main theme way too much.

I can see it as an alternate hub for endgame stuff, or as a patch hub, but not as the main city.

I could see it actually be quite fitting. As it is still a conduit that connects to the shadowlands, and if we fight the titans, we could need the help of another power on a similar scale, the eternals. I wouldn't mind seeing the Primus and Kyrethia again. Both of the would also fit into past plots of northrend. The scourge and vrykul + val'kyr.

[Worldshaper]

Well maybe they'll use the Sunwell. Maybe one of the many facilities they left around was created expressly so it could open a gate for them and they just need to turn it on. Heck, maybe THAT is what the Felstorm was and Sargeras' demons corrupted it into Fel.

Wasn't that created by a few drops of the WoE?

[Treegdar]

Depends on the themes we will see with TLL. Also, i wouldn't mind to see ICC being torn up a bit after the events of the Zovaal fight and the engines below ICC working. It could remove the outer shell of ICC, giving space for the inner parts to be used as a HUB.

Would be pretty sick to see ICC more akin to what it looked like in the final frozen throne cinematic compared to the saronite covered citadel it became for wrath.

[Cheezits]

While it feels fairly obvious how they will expand QT in Midnight, I think there will be some big curve balls for Northrend to spice it up. A lot of the continent is flat and sparse (Tundra, Dragonblight) so I expect some cata-level shakeups. Maybe Dragonblight gets caved in.

[Enrif]

There is always the curveball hub that noone is talking about. The Argent Crusade citadel you help found in Icecrown. Without Dalaran causing issues in Crystalsong you could easily make a pretty cool city there using whatever new assets you want. Possibly even some recoloured ones from Hallowfall to allude to the crusader theme.

The question: why would the argent crusade relocate to crystal song? The tournament grounds could have been a great place to expand into a city. While crystal song could be the way to the below Northrend zones.

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While it feels fairly obvious how they will expand QT in Midnight, I think there will be some big curve balls for Northrend to spice it up. A lot of the continent is flat and sparse (Tundra, Dragonblight) so I expect some cata-level shakeups. Maybe Dragonblight gets caved in.

Lots of possibilities.
I think howling Fjord and Grizzly Hills are great as they are, just update to moderns graphics (azure span assets) and merge them to a zone.
Scholazar basin and Borean Tundra should be merged to a jungle like zone. Perhaps due to Eonars/Freyars doing?.
Dragonblight i want to see the scars of the dragon soul raid. We got a lot of big tentcles and maws there.
Zul'drak i don't know what to make of. I doubt we see it rebuild. But i could see it perhaps be covered by an avalanche from the storm peaks.
Storm Peaks should lose snow and stone and reveal all the titan machinery below it.
Icecrown i could see flooded. Not like thousand needles, but pools and rivers of water. Streaming down from a melting Icecrown Citadel core?

[Reive]

rip "this week in wow" 2023-2024

[Sondrelk]

The question: why would the argent crusade relocate to crystal song? The tournament grounds could have been a great place to expand into a city. While crystal song could be the way to the below Northrend zones.

The Argent Crusade did have the encampment in Icecrown originally, so you could just have them make up some quick excuse that most of the Argent Tournament grounds are too unstable for anything, and that their main base of operations in Northrend post-SL pre-patch is further south.
The Argent Crusade likely have a presence in Northrend given the feral Scourge that need containing, and why not have a nice city to go alongside it as well. I doubt the non-combat oriented members of the Crusade are happy sharing Acherus with the DKs, or being cooped up all the way back in the Borean Tundra for the faction hubs.

The Horde and Alliance bases on each side of Northrend might be too far away. Dalaran might return, but also might be avoided for fear of it being too blatant. Wyrmrest isnt terribly big. Icecrown Citadel is too Scourge/DK themed. And Ulduar is likely a hostile hub.
A rebuilt Argent Crusade city where the Argent Vanguard is now is the right size, in the right area, can be as bland or as specific as you want, and it can reuse Hallowsfall assets if the developers want to focus on remaking Ulduar, which I assume they will.

[allegrian]

I think we could get a gnome capital in TLT if tinkers are a thing, probably set up in the mimiron zone in Ulduar.

[Enrif]

The Argent Crusade did have the encampment in Icecrown originally, so you could just have them make up some quick excuse that most of the Argent Tournament grounds are too unstable for anything, and that their main base of operations in Northrend post-SL pre-patch is further south.
The Argent Crusade likely have a presence in Northrend given the feral Scourge that need containing, and why not have a nice city to go alongside it as well. I doubt the non-combat oriented members of the Crusade are happy sharing Acherus with the DKs, or being cooped up all the way back in the Borean Tundra for the faction hubs.

The Horde and Alliance bases on each side of Northrend might be too far away. Dalaran might return, but also might be avoided for fear of it being too blatant. Wyrmrest isnt terribly big. Icecrown Citadel is too Scourge/DK themed. And Ulduar is likely a hostile hub.
A rebuilt Argent Crusade city where the Argent Vanguard is now is the right size, in the right area, can be as bland or as specific as you want, and it can reuse Hallowsfall assets if the developers want to focus on remaking Ulduar, which I assume they will.

Why not New Hearthglen? It is already a city. The argent crusade could took up the building and give them a new coat of paint. It would also give them a convenient access point to the sea (compared to crystal song or icecrown).

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I think we could get a gnome capital in TLT if tinkers are a thing, probably set up in the mimiron zone in Ulduar.

I don't think Ulduar would be the hub. The assumption right now is that the titans are the enemies, so having a hub in their stronghold wouldn't work out.

[Foolicious]

Wasn't that created by a few drops of the WoE?

It is. Just like the well atop hyjal. Only difference is that its also powered by the core of a naaru since tbc and is now light/arcane water.

The sunwell also isn't that old. While it maybe can be used as a portal as we have seen with the well of eternity or the sunwell itself, there is no way for some architecture or machines left behind by the titans specifically for that purpose.

[Makorus]

I still think the "We ally with Iridikron" angle is quite interesting, so having his lair be the Boralus-type (part hub/part actual zone) hub would be cool.

[Ersula]

The question: why would the argent crusade relocate to crystal song? The tournament grounds could have been a great place to expand into a city. While crystal song could be the way to the below Northrend zones.

Pretty sure everyone bringing up Scarlet Crusade in Northrend are forgetting the remnant up there got destroyed in the Priest Order Hall questline in Legion.

True, and it felt weird. Even so, they were inside a specific raid room. Seeing them small on Azeroth would feel strange imo.

You know what feels weird in WoW? Literally everything. It's a fantasy setting. Titans' physical form is just an extension of their will & can be any size.