The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[allegrian]

They could turn BRD into a new megadungeon, just throw some bullshit story about ragnaros worshippers o directly retell the original with time walking stuff. That dungeon deserves a true remake.

[Sondrelk]

I mean, it is literally an HD Update. All the textures have the seem resolution as current retail, and honestly, I think it'll make a big difference.

It is unquestionably an HD update, not going to dispute that. My point is more so that it seems to just be textures, which isn't as immediately impactful as changing models to newer ones.

Regardless, the comment was about old dungeons not looking new with just uprezzed textures. You are not really gong to go into Blood Furnace and think it looks like a modern dungeon just because the textures look better.

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I hope that we get something juicy from this alpha reveal, even if it's just the Arathi models. Hopefully a reveal of some more dragonriding options (Cloud Serpents please!)

It sounded like we would be getting all flying mounts capable of Dragonriding eventually, so I wouldn't overthink that. Didn't we even see Invincible utilizing Dynamic flight in the trailer?

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I hope there is some cool hidden "feature" (not like a proper feature but something like the Pet Stables/Legacy Raid Loot). That's what I always love the most, cool new tiny features.

Cloud Serpents are definitely gonna be dragonriding because the S4 Mount uses the Cloud Serpent skeleton.

Like always, I will be holding out hope for the removal of restrictions of armour transmog.
I want to be able to farm all the great trabsmog in the game without also having to play a class I don't enjoy just to see them.

[doledippers]

I hope that we get something juicy from this alpha reveal, even if it's just the Arathi models. Hopefully a reveal of some more dragonriding options (Cloud Serpents please!)

im expecting a shit ton of info. dev interviews, press kits, all that fun stuff

[Khaza-R]

I think that Azj-kahet's size is deceptive, because it's roofed in a way similar to the outer parts of Zaralek, it feels more closed off than it actually is. Like I said at the start of this observation, they focused all their screenshots on specific set pieces which makes it feel like zones are only one thing. Almost all of the Azj-kahet pictures are of that central nerubian city, but if you look at the few other ones:




That seems like it might be a pretty significant distance going straight back. The cave nature just makes it hard to tell because there's so few places (outside of Hallowfall) where you get a long straight view deep into a zone.

Especially curious if this thing is to scale:


Cause that's a whole lot of Hallowfall(?) and very little of the top two zones.

Good observations. I didn't notice how much of Azj'kahet is away from the city.

I am also interested about the scale now. Its hard to believe they would make the zones so assymetric. But looking back at the reveal it is interesting there's was so few screenshot of the Ringing Deeps compared to the other zones.

[Auxis]

God that's a beautiful ship design.
But I gotta ask why the Arathi needed to develop air ships? The zone/city isn't THAT big, unless it was to travel across the underground sea/up to the crystal?

[allegrian]

God that's a beautiful ship design.
But I gotta ask why the Arathi needed to develop air ships? The zone/city isn't THAT big, unless it was to travel across the underground sea/up to the crystal?

I wonder if arathi tech will be their own or from the tinker earthen. It'd be interesting for TWW to be basically about an alternate alliance (with no gnomes). I guess the expansion was so alliance coded they just threw the earthen as neutral AR to make the horde feel part of it all as they clearly don't know what to do with them.

[Sondrelk]

God that's a beautiful ship design.
But I gotta ask why the Arathi needed to develop air ships? The zone/city isn't THAT big, unless it was to travel across the underground sea/up to the crystal?

Probably just to play with the whole hot air balloons being powered by flame thing. I assume we are going to see a giant airship powered by a large amount of the holy flame they have.

Also, airships are cool, and the zone seems full of cliffs.

[Lady Atia]

I hope that we get something juicy from this alpha reveal, even if it's just the Arathi models. Hopefully a reveal of some more dragonriding options (Cloud Serpents please!)

Cloud Serpents are pretty much given anyways since we get the Wilderling in season 4?

[PenguinChan]

You've invented this narrative where Shadowlands numbers had to have been dropping at the exact same rate TBC classic were gaining in order to express the flat line on the subscription line graph, when there just wasn't that much demand for TBC as there was for vanilla classic. Who the f was actually excited for TBC classic who wasn't already subbed through the entirety of classic?

TBC launch clearly had some people joining because the blip on the graph coincides with its launch. But no it wasn’t enough to stop the overall sub loss. It wasn’t until closer to the end of TBC’s release (very much 2.4.3 into WotLK pre-patch) did things even out. People liked TBC, but the parts they liked most were Black Temple and Sunwell. Unsurprisingly the part of TBC that evened out was at the tail end where those two patches existed lol. I think you haven’t come to terms yet that Shadowlands just couldn’t keep people from unsubscribing or moving over to Classic in the meantime. We don’t have to pretend that Shadowlands was a terrible expansion but the allegations at the time and poor reception of the lore and rushed expansion end didn’t help at all.

[zeir]

Last expac we got leaks of the pre alpha event but i think it wasn't in person so probably not this time.

[Lady Atia]

It is unquestionably an HD update, not going to dispute that. My point is more so that it seems to just be textures, which isn't as immediately impactful as changing models to newer ones.

Regardless, the comment was about old dungeons not looking new with just uprezzed textures. You are not really gong to go into Blood Furnace and think it looks like a modern dungeon just because the textures look better.

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It sounded like we would be getting all flying mounts capable of Dragonriding eventually, so I wouldn't overthink that. Didn't we even see Invincible utilizing Dynamic flight in the trailer?

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Like always, I will be holding out hope for the removal of restrictions of armour transmog.
I want to be able to farm all the great trabsmog in the game without also having to play a class I don't enjoy just to see them.

But we don't want old dungeons to be totally changed or whatever, because you know, that would make it something different - an HD texture update and some model and mechanic changes like they did with TotT is 100% enough and brings back nostalgia way better than cata-style "revamped dungeons".

Also, I'm playing on 4k so I would guess the HD update would be huge for me, lol.

[Ersula]

TBC launch clearly had some people joining because the blip on the graph coincides with its launch. But no it wasn’t enough to stop the overall sub loss. It wasn’t until closer to the end of TBC’s release (very much 2.4.3 into WotLK pre-patch) did things even out. People liked TBC, but the parts they liked most were Black Temple and Sunwell. Unsurprisingly the part of TBC that evened out was at the tail end where those two patches existed lol. I think you haven’t come to terms yet that Shadowlands just couldn’t keep people from unsubscribing or moving over to Classic in the meantime. We don’t have to pretend that Shadowlands was a terrible expansion but the allegations at the time and poor reception of the lore and rushed expansion end didn’t help at all.

You can argue it was a terrible expansion. It even makes sense to say Shadowlands was the worst expansion. But saying it almost "ruined the brand" when its sub figures have the same average as Legion, doesn't make any sense. There's more validity in saying Cata or MoP ruined the brand because they were losing subs even more steadily.

And I still think more people resubbed to play 9.1 than TBC, microscopic uptick that it is: Simply because people who were into classic wouldn't have unsubbed in the first place.

[Nathanyel]

theyd prob have to end up designing two different dungeons. not sure a sod dungeon would xfer over to m+ very well. that being said, if they were willing to do that, it could be interesting

True, but to be fair, any pre-Wod dungeon would need significant changes to be ready for M+, see Vortex Pinnacle and Throne of the Tides.

[Alanar]

My final warband camp will be - 2 orcs, troll and tauren.

Isnt it just a way to show your characters in the character list? Your team are your characters right?

What else is there to this?

[Nathanyel]

Like always, I will be holding out hope for the removal of restrictions of armour transmog.
I want to be able to farm all the great trabsmog in the game without also having to play a class I don't enjoy just to see them.

It was confirmed that in 11.0, you can unlock all drops for Transmog regardless of the current character.

Regarding using armor types, I'm not really for it, there should still be some distinction, and we get plenty of cosmetic options anyway.

[PenguinChan]

You can argue it was a terrible expansion. It even makes sense to say Shadowlands was the worst expansion. But saying it almost "ruined the brand" when its sub figures have the same average as Legion, doesn't make any sense. There's more validity in saying Cata or MoP ruined the brand because they were losing subs even more steadily.

And I still think more people resubbed to play 9.1 than TBC, microscopic uptick that it is: Simply because people who were into classic wouldn't have unsubbed in the first place.

It certainly didn’t ruin the brand, whoever said that is just being hyperbolic. But did it create distrust with players? I think so. And it’s possible 9.1 + TBC created that blip but it was smack dab on TBC’s launch window. And people definitely could have unsubscribed before TBC released. A reminder that Classic Naxx was still Naxx and while more people cleared it this time around you still needed to get carried or put through the gear grind to get up to that point. Understandable that some people took a bit of a break after Naxx released as well even if they raided it.

[allegrian]

Warbands and the pandaria event are making me want to play mor alts (I've always been a 1 char guy), but they just revamped ret pala and it's so fun now that all other classes feel bad in comparison. Templar hero talents look fun as well.

[Raetary]

God that's a beautiful ship design.
But I gotta ask why the Arathi needed to develop air ships? The zone/city isn't THAT big, unless it was to travel across the underground sea/up to the crystal?

From what we saw the zone is vertical vertical has a lot of Plateaus, underground mountains and quite some valley inbetween.

It makes sense to develop air travel tech to reach your high up settlements.

[Ersula]

It was confirmed that in 11.0, you can unlock all drops for Transmog regardless of the current character.

Regarding using armor types, I'm not really for it, there should still be some distinction, and we get plenty of cosmetic options anyway.

I'm torn on that idea & I bet the devs are too. I agree with you on there being some distinction...but a warrior has been able to tank in a sarong & swimsuit for a while now. Might as well just make tier sets class specific & let everything else be a free-for-all.

On a related note: They said Dragonflight profession items would eventually be in the standard transmog collection... and we haven't heard anything else about it since. So I think they forgot about them. Someone in the alpha should remind them for 11.0

It certainly didn’t ruin the brand, whoever said that is just being hyperbolic. But did it create distrust with players? I think so. And it’s possible 9.1 + TBC created that blip but it was smack dab on TBC’s launch window. And people definitely could have unsubscribed before TBC released. A reminder that Classic Naxx was still Naxx and while more people cleared it this time around you still needed to get carried or put through the gear grind to get up to that point. Understandable that some people took a bit of a break after Naxx released as well even if they raided it.

I don't know why they're talking about Dragonflight increasing their communication with players. Yes we got a shorter patch rotation....but they also delayed Dragonflight's reveal 8 months longer than normal & have been encrypting stuff even more, including entire patches. I think on average the communication has not increased.

[allegrian]

I think armour type restrictions for tmog should still be in but they should remove the class specific restrictions like old tier sets, where some can be completely used by other classes from the same armor type using their classless lookalikes while other sets just get some pieces.

Having the armor type restrictions make cloth/leather/mail/plate classes have some kind of identity while having the cosmetic pieces to cheat a close the gap a bit. It's fun to play around those limitations and gives more reason to try other classes for different appearances.