The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zers Editor]

And so her last story about Anduin will be published at the end of the year. If some characters still smell of non-toxic masculinity, then it wasn't Christie Golden's fault, it was the foundation that Blizzard laid out. Anduin's chance of dying has also increased by 300%.

But Anduin will not die until another character like him is created

She never decided on the main plot, she wrote around what was decided by others. How Jaina was written in Pandaria/Legion (as in the game) and how all of her work during that time did its darnest against it will tell you on that.

And given how much praise Stickney (the current MAIN narrative designer, their views on the story correlate A WHOLE LOT) and Metzen gave and still give her, don't expect "her influence" to go away any time soon (unless they get booted too, of course).

[Reive]

Also, I couldn't help but notice that after SL and Xbox new leadership and Metzen return there is large laid off to story devs. Golden and Danuser (most of fun hated ones) was fired, other unknown I think too. Will we get some serious business with lore after that? Wheels keep turning, drama unfolding?
Like come on, new devs - new characters - new story.
Dalaran annihilation, Magni come from stoneform, Khadgar MIA, Alleria corruption. All much more darken stories then SL-DF was. And much more beleivable to me.
And more and more - "we hear your feedback, we care". Like a charm. Something changed and that change is good one. If they put less woke stuff ingame - we will eat good.

golden and danuser were not the problem. most of the story is written by quest writers. they are the problem

[allegrian]

When I watched cinematic to TWW, and then words of Metzen about "starting something large from something tiny" - I think its more like "Hey, I know this cinematic is lame and we don't have time and money to redo it, but don't worry, we will deliver you some good one after"

Those high quality cinematics start development maybe a year or two before it's released. Metzen worked on BFA cinematic before leaving at the start of Legion, so I guess the whole drama about "too much feelings in wow" came too late to change their plans for the cinematic.

We could still get a different one for the release trailer like they did in DF.

[Cherry123]

Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

[doledippers]

When I watched cinematic to TWW, and then words of Metzen about "starting something large from something tiny" - I think its more like "Hey, I know this cinematic is lame and we don't have time and money to redo it, but don't worry, we will deliver you some good one after"

you know metzen personally wrote that cinematic himself, right?

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Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

literal conspiracy theory, lol. metzen wrote that cinematic

[Raetary]

That can explain why Anduin is no more that disney princess he was until SL. I hope new devs make him better then Golden "little lion".

Anyway, good luck for her, I hope she will be good.

Golden never had say in story direction.
She was working with the cinematic team to help write dialogue and scripts.

And she got fired 3 days ago.
So even if she did have any say in anything, Anduins current development was conceptualized in the last 2-3 years, not last week.

[doledippers]

Golden never had say in story direction.
She was working with the cinematic team to write dialogue and scripts.

its crazy to me how people just dont know this. they bash Golden under the assumption she was in a Danuser-like position where she personally was creating the story. She was given story/lore/narrative points (written by people ON THE NARRATIVE TEAM), and she wrote books on them, helped with cinematics, etc.

[Zers Editor]

That's a damn shame. I am curious why, it feels like OW2 not doing well (is she attached to Diablo as well?) has more to do with it than "I don't like Dragonflight story/tone" stuff, but...

Can't see the connection. Many of the people in charge of the OW2 narrative were thrown out because PVE side of the content was essentially given up on by that point (before they officially stated that they did). The respective story teams didn't even have a single shared member? Even the method on how the story was written was quite different in OW1/2.

[Reive]

you can blame golden for the way certain events/characters are written, but the quest writers do most of the writing. if you think wow's writing is too soft or sucks in general it's not/was not golden's fault

[Pyrophax]

you know metzen personally wrote that cinematic himself, right?

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literal conspiracy theory, lol. metzen wrote that cinematic

I didn't know that, you have source?

[Cherry123]

literal conspiracy theory, lol. metzen wrote that cinematic

No he doesn't do that. I know the psychology of people and I know that people's tastes rarely change. I followed Chris Metzen and I know he won't write about two men crying to each other.

He's old school, where the WOW factor is paramount.

[allegrian]

Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

Didn't they say that Metzen wrote the the whole cinematic?

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No he doesn't do that. I know the psychology of people and I know that people's tastes rarely change. I followed Chris Metzen and I know he won't write about two men crying to each other.

He loved the veritistrasz quest (check his twitter) and DF's story overall. I see him writing the TWW cinematic, people change you know.

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I didn't know that, you have source?

I think we only have this from blizzcon, hard to confirm as true:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...nd_writing_no/

[doledippers]

I didn't know that, you have source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...nd_writing_no/

the second bit about the cinematic being animated by hand was later confirmed by people who worked on it, so i see no reason why the bit about Metzen writing it would be false

[Jastall]

Perhaps the TWW cinematic was the last straw of Microsoft patience. This is a big budget cinematic that flopped due to a bad script. And the handwriting was clearly Christie Golden, Anduin and Orc talk about their feelings for a long time and without action. Chris Metzen took responsibility for this cinematic so that people don't write hate posts for Christie Golden like they did with Before the Storm.

Blizzard fired her for wasting money on unpopular things

I sincerely hope you're not terminally online enough to actually believe anyone important at Microsoft at all gives a shit about what goes on in a WoW cinematic.

[Raetary]

Didn't they say that Metzen wrote the the whole cinematic?

NO!
Christian McMetzen, renowned sigma male, would NEVER write about EMOTIONAL CHARACTERS!

Nvm that he pushed for more diversity and inclusivity in their franchises and that his self-insert literally paralleled his life and mid-life crisis, including child and retirement

[allegrian]

NO!
Christian McMetzen, renowned sigma male, would NEVER write about EMOTIONAL CHARACTERS!

Nvm that he pushed for more diversity and inclusivity in their franchises and that his self-insert literally paralleled his life and mid-life crisis, including child and retirement

Yeah, and people think he only likes the horde too even when he mains a human paladin.

[Cherry123]

you know metzen personally wrote that cinematic himself, right?

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literal conspiracy theory, lol. metzen wrote that cinematic

I already wrote to you that Chris just wants to protect Golden from hatred. He defended her when Before the Storm was published and received a lot of hate. He literally said, "I know what you'll see, this sucks, don't be upset, I'll do better next time."

[doledippers]

No he doesn't do that. I know the psychology of people and I know that people's tastes rarely change. I followed Chris Metzen and I know he won't write about two men crying to each other.

He's old school, where the WOW factor is paramount.

ok so you are quite literally making things up, understood. "you know the psychology of people" , have you spoken to metzen personally? you cant seriously be claiming you know his psychology to such an intimate degree that you can know what he would and wouldn't do based based purely on the fact that you've consumed content he's made

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I already wrote to you that Chris just wants to protect Golden from hatred. He defended her when Before the Storm was published and received a lot of hate. He literally said, "I know what you'll see, this sucks, don't be upset, I'll do better next time."

again, youre just making things up. you have no evidence that golden wrote that cinematic

[Zers Editor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...nd_writing_no/

the second bit about the cinematic being animated by hand was later confirmed by people who worked on it, so i see no reason why the bit about Metzen writing it would be false

Feels true to me. Look back on how his "Of Blood and Honor" was written, it's not far off at all.

[Cherry123]

ok so you are quite literally making things up, understood. "you know the psychology of people" , have you spoken to metzen personally? you cant seriously be claiming you know his psychology to such an intimate degree that you can know what he would and wouldn't do based based purely on the fact that you've consumed content he's made

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again, youre just making things up. you have no evidence that golden wrote that cinematic

You can use your own logic and not blindly believe everything they say. I hope you don't blindly believe everything they say on the TV news?