1. #6701
    Ysera will obviously be involved in 10.2 given it will be about the Dream. She probably helps us save the dream whilst acting as a mentor to Merithra and once the patch is done she will go back to SL and Malfurion will come back. Doubt they keep her for longer than that.

    Odd we haven't seen her at all though, besides the one scene of her coming back.

  2. #6702
    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    I don't understand why every time you come in you spread false information about what's going on in Dragonflight. Do you even play the game? I doubt.
    You're telling me when Tyrande & Malfurion are saying their tearful goodbyes, and talking about the "agony" of their separation, its supposed to be temporary? Malfurion not only had nothing to do during while Tyrande was avenging their race, we know Malfurion spent *centuries* in the dream, away from Tyrande, like it was nothing. If its supposed to be temporary what is he even talking about? Malfurion canonically went years without seeing his wife *for fun*

    Malfurion is not coming back because the writers have explicitly told us they have nothing for him to do. They even talked about how they should have had Saurfang kill him for all they did with his character after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Ysera will obviously be involved in 10.2 given it will be about the Dream. She probably helps us save the dream whilst acting as a mentor to Merithra and once the patch is done she will go back to SL and Malfurion will come back. Doubt they keep her for longer than that.

    Odd we haven't seen her at all though, besides the one scene of her coming back.
    Perhaps, though I really do suspect that part of Blizz's initial plan in that story was to remove Malfurion from Tyrande's side so that she could shine as the Night Elf leader. Perhaps it's just my cynicism, but I half suspect that even if Ysera goes back, Malfurion will need to stay behind to finish his work in Ardenweald or some such mulligan to keep him off Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You're telling me when Tyrande & Malfurion are saying their tearful goodbyes, and talking about the "agony" of their separation, its supposed to be temporary? Malfurion not only had nothing to do during while Tyrande was avenging their race, we know Malfurion spent *centuries* in the dream, away from Tyrande, like it was nothing. If its supposed to be temporary what is he even talking about? Malfurion canonically went years without seeing his wife *for fun*

    Malfurion is not coming back because the writers have explicitly told us they have nothing for him to do. They even talked about how they should have had Saurfang kill him for all they did with his character after that.
    Danuser literally compared it to Persephone and stated that they swapped places.
    It was a trade.

    If it wasn't blatant in the dialogue, it was blatant with his interview forever ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Malfurion is not coming back because the writers have explicitly told us they have nothing for him to do. They even talked about how they should have had Saurfang kill him for all they did with his character after that.
    Would love to see where they said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    Dude was literally introduced as dying and holding onto the last fraying strands of life. That was his character. The only place to progress his character was into death. And they did so gracefully. Sindragosa was already dead. What else did you expect?
    That he survived legion just to die here.
    Sindragosa waa obvious as well, but they needed an increase in their roster, so why the trouble >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    That he survived legion just to die here.
    Sindragosa waa obvious as well, but they needed an increase in their roster, so why the trouble >.>
    But they did increase their roster? Every dragon you've brought back got several moments to show their personality. They are all now part of the roster.

  8. #6708
    So World Revamp is probably out of the question now as in not happening?

  9. #6709
    It's weird how Ebonhorn wasn't a character in 10.0 when he was one of the NPCs in Orgrimmar and the equivalent to Wrathion in the Prepatch and was even featured in the Dracthyr Intro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's weird how Ebonhorn wasn't a character in 10.0 when he was one of the NPCs in Orgrimmar and the equivalent to Wrathion in the Prepatch and was even featured in the Dracthyr Intro.
    Ebonhorn absolutely started on equal grounds with Wrathion this expac. It's just that in the Waking Shores quests they kind of forgot about him. He should have been one of the quest givers at the Obsidian Citadel and he should have been at the Ruby Life Pools waiting for Wrathion and Sabellian with Alexstrasza.

  11. #6711
    Quote Originally Posted by Melorandor View Post
    So World Revamp is probably out of the question now as in not happening?
    It could still happen, but I'm not getting my hopes high for 11.0. I think Avaloren/Other Side of Azeroth is the likeliest at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    You're telling me when Tyrande & Malfurion are saying their tearful goodbyes, and talking about the "agony" of their separation, its supposed to be temporary? Malfurion not only had nothing to do during while Tyrande was avenging their race, we know Malfurion spent *centuries* in the dream, away from Tyrande, like it was nothing. If its supposed to be temporary what is he even talking about? Malfurion canonically went years without seeing his wife *for fun*

    Malfurion is not coming back because the writers have explicitly told us they have nothing for him to do. They even talked about how they should have had Saurfang kill him for all they did with his character after that.
    Maybe look at the actual explicitly laid out rules for the swap, not just the contextual clues that support your view. It's temporary.

    The last two times Malfurion was away from her he was in danger. Of course Tyrande isn't going to be happy with him leaving. That doesn't mean it's permanent.

    He'll be back when the writers come up with something for him to do at the latest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    That he survived legion just to die here.
    Sindragosa waa obvious as well, but they needed an increase in their roster, so why the trouble >.>
    What benefit does his continued survival bring, other than contributing to some sort of arbitrary quota? He got to die on his own terms, in his own time, with the people he chose. It's a profoundly rare death in fiction. And one I thought the WoW writers handled extremely well, which is a rarity. Credit where credit is due - all of this was a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    What benefit does his continued survival bring, other than contributing to some sort of arbitrary quota? He got to die on his own terms, in his own time, with the people he chose. It's a profoundly rare death in fiction. And one I thought the WoW writers handled extremely well, which is a rarity. Credit where credit is due - all of this was a good thing.
    Not to mention that to keep him around would require justifying his continued survival in more ways than just relevance to the plot. Dude was introduced sleeping in what was effectively life support. The fact that he is on the Dragon Isles at all is a bit questionable.

    I'm sure the writers could have mentioned a Blue Dragon artifact somewhere that lets him survive more easily, but what would be the point.
    As was mentioned. Him getting to die peacefully has itself strong thematic resonance. The Blue dragons, normally such a troubled race, has finally gotten to the point where they can die peacefully, without sacrificing themselves or being killed by enemies.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    What benefit does his continued survival bring, other than contributing to some sort of arbitrary quota? He got to die on his own terms, in his own time, with the people he chose. It's a profoundly rare death in fiction. And one I thought the WoW writers handled extremely well, which is a rarity. Credit where credit is due - all of this was a good thing.
    I'm of that mind, as well. I see the value in maintaining a roster of recurring characters, and I tend to be the first to advocate for it, but I think Senegos' peaceful demise was a nice way of closing his story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But they did increase their roster? Every dragon you've brought back got several moments to show their personality. They are all now part of the roster.
    To be fair, I can understand his concern on account of that you really need to enclose the word "personality" in scare quotes in regards to any modern WoW characters; however, one can hardly condemn Blizzard for finally undertaking to refill their character roster, even if there is much, much more that you absolutely can condemn them for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    It could still happen, but I'm not getting my hopes high for 11.0. I think Avaloren/Other Side of Azeroth is the likeliest at this point.
    To be fair, I can see the value of going to a continent-sized location as being roughly equivalent to the value of a world revamp in terms of scale alone, though not in terms of sentiment. I could see plenty of ground—in a literal and figurative sense—to build on from that.

  16. #6716
    It is clear the next major patch is going to involve the unused space off the coast of the plains with a World Tree, per the end cinematic that was datamined long ago, now put into context with the conclusion of the Ember's story.

    Dealing with Elune is definitely something on a general list of loose threads....so what about going to the moon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    To be fair, I can understand his concern on account of that you really need to enclose the word "personality" in scare quotes in regards to any modern WoW characters; however, one can hardly condemn Blizzard for finally undertaking to refill their character roster, even if there is much, much more that you absolutely can condemn them for.
    I think Blizzard often confuses a character in a story with a simplistic "individual that does things." Don't get me wrong - having your characters have agency in the story is a good thing. But there's more to a character than a few lines in the wiki detailing the events they were involved in. A character needs to learn, change, and grow. WoW's chief problem with their narrative is that they continue to use the same characters for the same purposes year after year.

    Thrall and Jaina are the chief offenders. Both already had their stories told long, long ago. But they get shoehorned into pretty much every new story, relearning lessons already learned, and never really changing their status quo. They're added because their iconic, not because the writers actually have an interesting story for them to tell.

    Senegos was fantastic because he was introduced as an ancient dragon struggling to cling onto life to protect the future of his family and ended as a someone with newfound confidence in the future of that family, allowing him to release his tenuous grasp on life with peace of mind. It was the perfect culmination of his character arc, and completely in keeping with that "bittersweet feel good" mandate that a lot of the writing in Dragonflight has seemingly been adhering to. To keep him around would be a betrayal of his very narrative purpose and completely rob him of any kind of resonance as a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    I would love to go to the moon. But what would that look like? Would it be empty or would there be civilizations, fauna and flora in the craters? Seems strange to me.
    Could look a little something like this:

    Or this:


    There's a lot you can do with it. Visiting the moon isn't even unique in the MMO space, let alone the fantasy genre. Could be very interesting, and certainly wouldn't strain credulity more than yet another undiscovered continent shrouded from us for thousands a years.

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    The moon having a psuedo Titan Satelite system area makes sense or at least in concept I'd be fine with it.
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  20. #6720
    I have to say I enjoyed the blue flight story (had to do it twice for the damn mount) but one thing that just constantly felt weird is that no one seems to remember I killed half their family. Like Kirygosa . . . we killed both of her parents

    Also, a bit more variety in visage forms would be nice.

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